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The Greater Islamophobia: Bombing, Invading, and Occupying Muslim Lands (I)

Jeffrey Goldberg, an establishment journalist, has made a career out of shilling for Israel and war-cheerleading against various Muslim countries.  Goldberg’s polite, professional, and mainstream expression of Islamophobia is far more pernicious than the rude, amateurish, and fringe Islamophobia of Pamela Geller.

This Thanksgiving, Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic and Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs crossed swords over Butterball’s halal turkeys; the animosity between the two has reached the point where Goldberg refers to Geller as his “arch-nemesis” and Geller calls Goldberg a “Jewicidal Jihadi” (whatever in the world that means).

But while Jeffrey Goldberg and Pamela Geller may disagree over such silly matters as “stealth halal” turkeys (which I call the “Lesser Islamophobia”), Goldberg and Geller are guilty of advocating the “Supreme Islamophobic Crime”: bombing, invading, and occupying Muslim lands.  With regard to this “Greater Islamophobia”, establishment journalists like Jeffrey Goldberg have a lot more influence than the Pamela Gellers of the world in promoting the war hysteria necessary to sustain the political and popular support for American wars against an increasingly long list of Muslim countries.

The Crusades that ravaged the Muslim world centuries ago were fueled by mindless hatred of the Other, a hatred without which it is unlikely that a whole civilization could have been successfully mobilized against another.  Similarly, the United States of America has taken up the sword against the Muslim world, something that simply would not be possible without large segments of the society accepting an anti-Muslim worldview as axiomatic.

Islamophobia is necessary to wage war against the Muslim world but it is also the inevitable result of such wars.  There is a need to spread the Supreme Islamophobic Myth that radical Islam is the greatest threat to world peace and must be fought.  This need exists (1) in order that nobody, especially the American population itself, realizes that the opposite is true (that it is the United States–not any Muslim country–that is committing the “supreme international crime” of waging aggressive wars in foreign lands), and (2) in order to justify endless war and military occupations.

It is important to understand that one reason Jeffrey Goldberg rejects the Lesser Islamophobia such as Pamela Geller’s silly “stealth halal” turkey nonsense is because, in his own words, “Pamela Geller…gives the fight against Islamist terrorism a bad name.”  In other words, the Lesser Islamophobia gives the Greater Islamophobia “a bad name” and might turn people away from bombing, invading, and occupying Muslim lands.

We saw a similar dynamic earlier this year when Harry Reid, Lindsey Graham, and others suggested that formal action be taken against the Quran-burning Florida preacher Terry Jones.  Jones was vilified as an Islamophobic bigot (and there is no doubt that he is one), whose (Lesser) Islamophobia was supposedly placing U.S. troops in Afghanistan at risk.  Yet, these same individuals are among the greatest defenders of the Greater Islamophobia, which is the real cause behind Muslim anger: the bombing, invading, and occupying of Muslim lands.  In fact, their opposition to Pastor Jones was that he was making it more difficult to sustain the military campaign against Muslims.  As Salon’s Glenn Greenwald wrote:

[T]here is an extreme irony in Harry Reid and Lindsey Graham, of all people, suddenly worrying about actions that trigger anger and violence in the Muslim world. These two Senators, after all, have supported virtually every one of America’s actions which have triggered vastly more anti-American anger, vengeance and violence in the Muslim world than anything Pastor Jones could dream of spawning — from the attack on Iraq to the decade-long occupation of Afghanistan to blind support for Israel to the ongoing camp at Guantanamo.

Similarly, war-cheerleading journalist Jeffrey Goldberg supports the Supreme Tenet of Islamophobia: seemingly endless war against the Muslim world.  Even before the blood of Afghan and Iraqi citizens dried from the American sword, U.S. war rhetoric against two other Muslim countries–Iran and Pakistan–has ratcheted up.  Just like in the lead up to the Iraq War, the Jeffrey Goldbergs of the mainstream media have been furiously at work making the case for war.

To understand the war-obsessed brain of Jeffrey Goldberg it would be worthwhile to look back to his 2008 article Re-Thinking Jeffery Goldberg.  In it, he reveals the interesting fact that not even Jeffrey Goldberg can keep track of how many Muslim countries Jeffrey Goldberg has called to attack.  He writes:

Last year…I called for the immediate invasion of Yemen (or possibly Oman)…

Was it Yemen or Oman?  Goldberg can’t remember–surely, we can’t expect him to remember such a long list of countries to invade.  The article reveals how flippantly Goldberg discusses such matters; it’s just table talk for him.  Bomb Yemen?  Oman?  Iraq?  Iran?  They all sound so similar!

It would also be worthwhile to take into account his ideological background:  Jeffrey Goldberg, like Pamela Geller, is a militant Zionist extremist.  He “moved to Israel while still a college student” where he served “as a military policeman in the Israeli army”, earned the rank of corporal in the Israel Defense Forces, and served as a prison guard in “the Ketziot military prison camp”, the conditions of which Defence for Children International called “truly appalling”; Human Rights Watch declared the Ketziot prison camp a “clear violation of the IV Geneva Convention.”

Glenn Greenwald wrote of Jeffrey Goldberg so:

[Jeffrey] Goldberg[‘s …]devotion to Israel is so extreme that he served in the IDF as a prison guard over Palestinians and was described last year as “Netanyahu’s faithful stenographer” by The New York Times’ Roger Cohen…

The link between Zionism and Islamophobia has been investigated before; the connection between Zionism and warmongering is even clearer.  So, it is no surprise that Jeffrey Goldberg is a war-cheerleader.  The Institute for Policy Studies calls him “a hawkish ‘pro-Israel’ commentator[]” whose “articles have often seemed to parallel efforts by hawks to push the United States into war.”

His most recent war-cheerleading articles have been against Iran and Pakistan, which is what I will focus on here.  Goldberg is not the only journalist beating the drums of war, but he is one highly prominent figure in the establishment media who serves as a quintessential example of the typical hypocrisy, profound double standards, and bloodthirsty warmongering that permeates the national discourse.

America’s Hypocrisy toward Iran

Jeffrey Goldberg urges President Barack Obama to launch “missile strikes” against Iran for its supposed nuclear weapons program:

The International Atomic Energy Agency is set to release a report today offering further proof that the Iranian regime is bent on acquiring nuclear weapons.

No intelligence is entirely dispositive, but the evidence on hand about Iran’s nuclear activities, even before the release of the latest report, is fairly persuasive, and the IAEA isn’t known to be a den of neoconservative war-plotting. It isn’t interested in giving Israel a pretext for a preemptive attack on Iran unless it has to.

The question now is what Israel — or the U.S. — will do about it.

The Israeli case for preemption is compelling, and has been for some time.

Notice that Goldberg doesn’t even care what the IAEA report would say: he wrote this article before the report was published.  Either way for him, the Iranian regime is producing nuclear weapons and should be attacked.

Goldberg fails to mention what The New Yorker’s Seymour Hersh pointed out in an excellent article explaining why the IAEA’s change in leadership from the respectable Mohammed ElBaradei to Yukiya Amano gives reason to doubt its impartiality: according to leaked cables obtained by Wikileaks, the American permanent representative to the IAEA commented that “[Amano] was solidly in the U.S. court in every strategic decision, from high-level personnel appointments to the handling of Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program.”  

Furthermore, despite all the war-cheerleading from America’s propaganda press, “there is nothing [in the report] that indicates that Iran is really building a bomb.”

In any case, Jeffrey Goldberg’s article on Iran in 2011 should evoke in the reader feelings of deja vu: in the run up to the Iraq War, Goldberg published a very similar article against Saddam’s Iraq.  Then, Goldberg had written:

“It is our estimate that Iraq will have an atomic bomb in three years,” [a German official] said.

There is some debate among arms-control experts about exactly when Saddam will have nuclear capabilities. But there is no disagreement that Iraq, if unchecked, will have them soon, and a nuclear-armed Iraq would alter forever the balance of power in the Middle East. “The first thing that occurs to any military planner is force protection,” Charles Duelfer told me. “If your assessment of the threat is chemical or biological, you can get individual protective equipment and warning systems. If you think he’s going to use a nuclear weapon, where are you going to concentrate your forces?”

There is little doubt what Saddam might do with an atomic bomb or with his stocks of biological and chemical weapons.

Simply exchange “Iraq” for “Iran” and we now have Goldberg’s 2011 article.  Goldberg was one of the key journalists who played a part in pushing the case for war against Iraq, by spreading the lie that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction (on the verge of becoming nuclear) and that he was somehow connected to Al-Qaeda and 9/11.  Goldberg even repeats the claim that “Iraq will have an atomic bomb in three years”: he says bombing Iran will have a “reasonable chance of delaying the Iranian nuclear program for at least three to five years.”

Goldberg and his ilk had succeeded in misleading the American public with regard to Iraq, pushing the nation to war and leading to the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians. He served an important role in spreading the government’s propaganda in order to justify the “supreme international crime”: initiating a war of aggression.

And now Goldberg et al. are at it again, this time against Iran.  The image at the top of this article really speaks to the “now serving bombing customer #224″ mentality that permeates the American military juggernaut.

In addition to being a hyper-aggressive superpower that bombs countries left and right (which, for Iran, is literally the case: countries neighboring it on both sides have been bombed, invaded, and occupied by America), the U.S. obliviously engages in the most egregious of hypocrisies.  It simply does not enter into polite discussion in Western media–but it does in Iran, Pakistan, and the rest of the Muslim world–how hypocritical it is of the United States, the country with the most nuclear weapons in the world, to vilify a country for (allegedly) trying to build a single such bomb.  The forbidden question to ask is: what moral right does the United States, the greatest nuclear power in the world, have to stop other countries from pursuing the same course of action?

Other absurdities include the fact that Israel, America’s closest ally, also has a secret (not so secret) nuclear weapons program, possessing “over 400 nuclear and hydrogen weapons.” Why can Israel have so many nuclear weapons, yet Iran cannot have a single one?

Furthermore, in the words of FAIR, “[t]he U.S. is violating the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).”  As Jimmy Carter wrote:

While claiming to be protecting the world from proliferation threats in Iraq, Libya, Iran and North Korea, American leaders not only have abandoned existing treaty restraints but also have asserted plans to test and develop new weapons.

Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara issued an unusually honest assessment, saying:

I would characterize current U.S. nuclear weapons policy as immoral, illegal, militarily unnecessary and dreadfully dangerous.

FAIR notes further:

The NPT’s preamble calls on nuclear weapons states “to facilitate the cessation of the manufacture of nuclear weapons, the liquidation of all their existing stockpiles, and the elimination from national arsenals of nuclear weapons and the means of their delivery.” Article VI of the NPT explicitly obliges signatories “to pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament, and on a treaty on general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control.”

Thirty-seven years after agreeing to these conditions, the U.S.—the only nation to have ever used nuclear weapons against human beings—spends $40 billion a year to field, maintain and modernize nuclear forces, including an arsenal of 10,000 warheads, 2,000 of which are on hair-trigger alert.

Meanwhile, Israel refuses to even sign the NPT.  Why aren’t the war drums beating against Israel for its reticence in this regard?  In fact, “[n]early 200 nations, signatories of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), backed plans” to hold a conference to achieve a nuclear-free Middle East.  The only country in the region refusing to hold such talks?  Israel.

I’m sure the United States of America condemned Israel for this, and threatened sanctions and war.  The President of the United States supported Israel in its decision and claimed that such a conference “singles out Israel.”  Well, yes, I guess one might think it “singles out Israel” since Israel is the only country in the region to have nuclear weapons, the irony of which should not be missed considering Israel pushed war on Iraq and is now doing the same with Iran for trying to produce nuclear weapons.

But such ironies do not get discussed in America, only in the rest of the world.  In the Muslim world, it is clearly understood that the United States and Israel are not against nuclear weaponry nor do they ever want a nuclear free Middle East–instead, they simply want to hold a nuclear monopoly.  We get nukes; you don’t; if you break this “fair” agreement, then we’ll bomb you, on the grounds that you have nukes–we might even nuke you for having nukes, because nukes are bad, except when we have and use them.  As George Orwell said: “Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them.”

Some Israeli apologists have argued that there is no equivalence between Iran and Israel since the former is a signatory of the NPT and the latter is not.  This is a purposefully deceitful argument: can anyone imagine the sort of pressure (sanctions, military force, war, and/or occupation) that would await Iran had it refused to sign the NPT or now withdrew from it?  (It is legal to withdraw from the treaty after giving three months notice.)  If Iran weren’t a signatory of the NPT, we all know that the entire premise of sanctions and military action would be: Iran must sign the NPT!  If Iran withdrew from the NPT, the entire premise would be: Iran withdrew from the NPT!  Furthermore, proponents of the “Iran signed the NPT, Israel didn’t” defense should be asked: What about the United States, which signed the NPT and is in violation of it?  Can Iran legally bomb the U.S. now?

Another counter-argument raised is the claim that the United States and Israel cannot possibly be equated with countries such as Iran.  The implication here is that Iran is just so absolutely warlike that it cannot be trusted with nuclear weaponry.  Meanwhile, the U.S. and Israel are peace-loving democracies and can be trusted never to use them.  Orwell’s quote–and Glenn Greenwald’s recent article on Orwell and Iran–come to mind.

There is the obvious absurdity that the United States is the only country to have used nuclear weapons against human beings (not once, but twice).  Not only this, but the U.S. has never apologized for doing so; quite the opposite: Americans have always claimed that incinerating two civilian cities saved millions of lives, a morally repugnant lie that lives on.  Only the most brainwashed mind could understand such depraved logic: bombing and killing thousands of people actually saves lives.  In the words of George Orwell: war is peace.

Imagine if Nazi Germany had produced the atomic bomb first–and had nuked Great Britain or the United States (not once, but twice).  The dastardly act would be remembered by the Western powers as the ultimate act of Nazi depravity; the atomic bomb would be viewed as the most Nazi-like of weapons, one that wantonly and indiscriminately incinerates civilian populations.  In such a scenario, Nazi propaganda that such an act was noble because it “saved millions of German lives” would be scoffed at and not taken seriously.  Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them.

If Americans still engage in the morally atrocious act of justifying the mass murder of Japanese civilians from the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (even though Japan had been ready to surrender long before it was nuked), one shouldn’t be surprised that the United States continues to ponder the use of nuclear weapons in the near future.  Leaked documents have shown that the U.S. government has

outlined a broad array of contingencies under which the U.S. might use nuclear weapons. Among these contingencies: using nuclear weapons against countries with no nuclear weapons capacity, such as Iran, Iraq and Syria.

Here, we see the profound hypocrisy of the U.S. government on full display: while using the threat of Iranian nuclear attack as a moral pretense to wage war against Iran, the United States itself has long been planning “a broad array of contingencies” under which Iran may be nuked.  Is this not a case of mind-boggling projection?

From this, it is clear that the U.S. government does not desire nuclear disarmament, but nuclear monopoly: this unequal balance of nuclear power leaves open the nuclear option against its non-nuclear enemies without fear of nuclear retaliation.

The same is the case with Israel, which has issued contradictory statements about the use of nuclear weapons.  Yes, Israel has said “it would not be the first country in the Middle East to formally introduce nuclear weapons into the region”, but what does this vague statement mean?  Do Israelis think Iran has now “introduced” nuclear weapons into the region?  In fact, Israel “reject[s] no first use because they believe that there may be circumstances in which they would initiate use of nuclear weapons.”

Indeed, Israel endorses the Samson Option, whereby Israel will respond with “massive retaliation” (including the use of nuclear weaponry) if it feels threatened.  What policy could be more maniacal than this?  Here, we have Israel endorsing a policy of nuclear Armageddon, yet on the other hand we are constantly told that Iran, unlike Israel, might use the bomb–a bomb it doesn’t even have.

Meanwhile, the truth is that the Supreme Leader of Iran has rejected the use of nuclear weaponry  because it is “forbidden in Islam”:

Nuclear weapons unholy, Iran says / Islam forbids use, clerics proclaim

In a surprising development, Iran’s hard-line clerical establishment, which had bitterly resisted American pressure to open the country’s nuclear facilities to inspection, is using its religious influence to rally support for an agreement with the West to foreswear the development of nuclear weapons.

Led by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the nation’s “supreme leader,” Iranian clerics have repeatedly declared that Islam forbids the development and use of all weapons of mass destruction.

The Islamic Republic of Iran, based on its fundamental religious and legal beliefs, would never resort to the use of weapons of mass destruction,” Khamenei said recently. “In contrast to the propaganda of our enemies, fundamentally we are against any production of weapons of mass destruction in any form.”

The ironies just keep adding up: the United States–a country that has used nuclear weapons in the past, possesses the most nuclear weapons in the world, and actively makes plans on how to use nuclear weapons against its enemies–is threatening to take action against Iran for its alleged nuclear weapons program–a country that has never used them, does not have them, and has sworn never to never use them (not even in self-defense or retaliation).  Only in the U.S. media could such absurdities go largely unchallenged.

If anyone tries to mention that the United States and Israel are far more warlike than Iran, he must be quickly shut up.  One recalls the debate Ahmed Rehab had with Bill O’Reilly; asked Rehab: “How many countries has Iran attacked in the past 50 years?”  The answer: zero.  Meanwhile, the United States and Israel have attacked dozens and dozens of countries (in a future article, I will compile the lengthy list of nations that have been attacked by the U.S. and Israel.)

O’Reilly couldn’t give a straight answer to the question (the answer is zero–Iran has never initiated a war against another country) so he brought up the Iran-Iraq War and the current Iraq War.  Yet, the Iran-Iraq War was not initiated by Iran–rather, Iraq attacked Iran.  There is no debate about this fact, so either (1) O’Reilly is ignorant of the facts he cites, or (2) he is using a misleading argument, which really speaks volumes about how few countries Iran has ever invaded (zero) that he was forced to make one up.  Worse yet, the example O’Reilly cited is an example of Iran being attacked by a country that received the military backing to do so by the United States.  In fact, “the CIA authorized, approved and assisted…in the manufacture and sale of cluster bombs and other munitions to Iraq” for use against Iran.

The second example O’Reilly cited was of the current Iraq War.  Once again, O’Reilly reverses reality: Iran did not invade Iraq.  He must have mistaken the United States for Iran.  Both examples O’Reilly used show America’s belligerency, not Iran’s.

The other examples O’Reilly gave, such as Hamas and Hezbollah, also show that he simply cannot answer the question in a straight manner.  The reason he can’t do so is because the answer is zero. Neither Hamas or Hezbollah is Iran.  At most one could argue that Hezbollah operates as a proxy for Iran.  In that case, we should compare the number of countries that the United States has not only attacked but how many the U.S. has done so by proxy.  That list would certainly dwarf Iran’s.

The double standard is well-understood by Iranians and Muslims living in other countries: nuclear weapons are OK for America and Israel, but off limits to countries like Iran.  Yet, it is exactly such countries that would most need nuclear weapons to act as deterrence against American and Israeli threats of military action, belligerence, and propensity toward aggression.

Part 2 of this article to be published within 24-48 hours.

Danios was the Brass Crescent Award Honorary Mention for Best Writer in 2010 and the Brass Crescent Award Winner for Best Writer in 2011.  

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  • TheBig_T

    I think MI5 would like to talk to you Truthseeker
    because your contemplating terrorist attacks agianst people who have a diffrent opinion of the world than you.
    Is this how Jesus brought people to his message? by threatning people, you my sir are no different than the Nazis and would have probably worn a brown shirt with pride.
    i leave you with this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
    now go to hell and stay there, Satan is missing you
    @mohammeden
    are there any muslim army currentlly occupying any american city?
    also “After the coming eradication of Mohammedanism in the United States (watch All-American “Muslim” if you want to see the ugliness, worthlessness and lack of future for American Mohammedanism”
    just replace MUSLIM with Jew and you would fit in 1932 Germany
    also what kind of drugs are you to think that muslims are occupying America, probally the same kind of drugs our friend truthseeker is using as well as Geller and Spenser

  • M

    @Mohammedan Demographics Says:
    December 6th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
    You guys are hilarious.

    [After the coming eradication of Mohammedanism in the United States (watch All-American “Muslim” if you want to see the ugliness, worthlessness and lack of future for American Mohammedanism), what will I do for a laugh?]

    Have you even watched this show? I’ve watched all the episodes so far. What the in the HELL are you talking about? Ugliness? Worthlessness? Your irrational, seething hatred is blatant. All I see are Americans, human beings, who love their country, and are living their lives and dealing with daily struggles like anyone else, while trying to follow the tenenats of their culture and religion, to varying degrees. They’re diverse in their views and differ in their conservatism/liberalism, personalities, etc. They all seem at least as likeable as the people portrayed in any other reality-type show. Who is it you find ugly, the football coach? Or the police sergeant?

    Don’t even answer. It’s clear why people like yourself and other islamophobes despise this show and are petitioning to get it off the air (already succeeding in getting many advertisers to pull out). It’s because it portrays Muslims as normal human beings, even likeable human beings, and not the caricature you want them portrayed as, evil monsters who spend their days plotting the death of ‘Infidels’. It’s why ANTHING that doesnt portray Muslims as crazed fanatics gets attacked by hate-mongers. There’s millions of Muslims living in this country, living their lives like everyone else, so deal with it. I thought that was the beauty of America, having the freedom of religion while still being an American and contributing to your country? I’m not Muslim, but have Muslim friends, who are some of the best people I know, are your views are absolutely sickening.

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  • Khushboo

    Why change its name again?”

    Because he’s no truthseeker obviously.

  • corey

    @truth seeker
    nice to see you have the ability to kiss your own ass.

  • corey

    @gremlin
    yeah I know the tekken after apocolypse was not so great but hey at least when you see a live action version of heihachi on tv one would be in for a good laugh, but if you think that future is bad you should take a look at the highlander 2 after apocolypse wherein there is a blocked out sun, and immortal scotsman warriors who are actually aliens and yes that one is run by an evil coorperation that unwittingly caused the blocked out sun apocolypse and its only being investigated for price gouging on the shield that prevents the whole earth from being fried. no I am not kidding just ask spoony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LqM1DX5lfM.

  • Believing Atheist

    There are two types of extremists that have posted on this thread.

    One type of extremist is crusading kind, the kind and they include people like TruthSeeker and Mohammadan Demographics. These extremists borrow their rhetoric from rightwing talk radio hosts such as Michael Savage and are daydreaming crusaders who believe that a war against Islam is not only necessary but inevitable in order to protect western civilization. They believe that Muslims are invading America but not one Muslim nation’s troops are on American soil aggressively (they may be for training or relief efforts), but American troops are in several Muslim countries. I got news for you guys. The west and Islam have mingled. That is why in the Supreme Court of America you will see a statue of the prophet of Islam (I think it’s a statue anyway).

    The other type of extremist is the viciously anti-semitic and Zionist conspiratorial kind, the kind like Dr M who read the Israeli Lobby way too many times. People like DrM blame Zionism for all of America’s imperialistic policies. Well I got news for you Dr M the Israeli Lobby has been refuted by Joseph Massad and Noam Chomsky (no he is not a Zionist). Here is the citation for Massad: http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2006/787/op35.htm and here is the citation for Chomsky: http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20060328.htm

    Both scholars assert that the U.S. has its own imperialistic agenda independent of Zionism or Israel. The U.S. for instance invaded Iraq despite the fact that the Israeli government was against the invasion and considered Saddam during the Bush II era a minimal threat. It instead pressured the U.S. to weaken Iran (and perhaps still does to this day) but the U.S. did not listen.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 5:32) Warning Contains Irony

    Kushboo
    Why change its name again ?

  • Khushboo

    @Mohammadan Demographics: I respect and admire your honesty which unfortunately most Muslim lack”

    Bwhahaha…LoonsUnited! Truthseeker you wouldn’t know the truth if it hit you in the arse. Stop kidding around and change your name.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 5:32) Warning Contains Irony

    Why dont I have an endorsement from truthseeker alais Halal dork and maybe 3000 other silly names .
    So many names so few ideas

  • Nur Alia; quite right, we should ignore the idiots and maybe have a quiet laugh over them and their propaganda.

    Anyway, as the saying goes, war is terrorism; just conducted in uniform…

    You’re quite right about atomic bombs or any such CBRNe weapon which is indiscriminate in who it kills and what it destroys. Islamic law in fact forbids such weapons for that very reason and there is reference to it in some the most early of Islamic texts on war. While CBRNe weapons are not forbidden specifically (simply becuase they didn’t exist), Khalil al-Maliki’s Book on jihad for example forbids poisoned spears since they cause unnecessary suffering.

    However I must add that there is some irregularity in some of the law books on the subject that I read which I disagree with. No doubt it is these books that will be quoted back at me…

    Jack

  • @Mohammadan Demographics: I respect and admire your honesty which unfortunately most Muslim lack.

  • Believing Atheist

    @ How Islam Created the Modern World and anybody else who wishes to contact Goldberg to get a response

    I know Jeffrey Goldberg’s email here it is: goldberg.atlantic@gmail.com

    Maybe Danios or somebody from Loonwatch can get in contact with him to get a response.

    And yes this is his email. If I believed in a God I would swear to that God it is.

    But if you don’t believe me see for yourself

    http://www.theatlantic.com/jeffrey-goldberg/

    Just click on email Goldberg.

  • Stoned Gremlin

    @corey Anyone who follows American politics knows that we’re likely to be heading there seeing as billionares already own the country’s politicians. And why WOULD you want to live in the Tekken movie future? Did you even SEE it? Personally I’d wanna go to the Back to the Future 2 future.

  • Rade

    @Mohammedan Demographics
    First,its an insult to call us ‘mohammedans’, due to to reasons, one, we do not worship the Prophet Mohammed, we follow his teachings, but we worship Allah, not the Prophet Mohammed.
    Second, there is no Mohammedan foreign policy, why? because there is no country called Mohammed for it to have a foreign policy. The exxtermiination of Palestinians is genocide, due to their beliefs, is discriminatory, and because the majority are muslims, is islamophobic. Also, you stated “calling for a war against the dar al-Islam . . . these are not “Islamophobic”, really? Are you that stupid? attacking courties just because muslims can practice their religion freely, is ISLAMOPHOBIC.
    Anti-islamic hatred has reached such levels, that only hypocrites would deny the existence of islamophobia.

  • Pamela Jeller

    Mohammedan Demographics

    Well first of all, I am amused by your usage of 19th century orientalist terminology with regards to your username.

    1. What will you do for a laugh? My advice to you for a good laugh is to look at your username.

    2. Actually, it does constitute Islamophobia. Belief that somehow Muslims must be liberated from sharia, calling for the extermination (genocide) of Palestine, wars against “dar al Islam”….these are Islamophobic.

    3. And guess what those who call for the extermination of the OIC states are? You guessed it: ISLAMOPHOBIC.

    4. The yet again Islamophobic notion that Muslims are victimized under Sharia or that sharia is the law of the devil is such a silly notion that I need not discuss it further. Furthermore, saying that the United States is under violent Islamic invasion need not to be refuted, as this rubbish is already self evidently such a piece of rubbish.

  • Sham

    Lol mohammedan where do you guys come out from? Its the 21 century get with the times

  • revenge

    @Mohammedan Demographics Nah, you’re hilarious. You prove to me that Christianity is no better since you think it’s perfectly acceptable to call for the extermination of 25% of the Human race solely based on the what religion they practice (which is like 80% the same as Christianity to boot).

  • Nur Alia

    I hope that the people in this forum can comment on the article, and not fall for those who are purposely trying to change the topic because they have no defence, or no rebuttal for it.

    This article was great. On this side of the world, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the most horried and unimaginable terrorist attack ever.

    Although the nation where I am from was under the brutality of Japanese occupation, we, the mostly Muslim population, denounce weapons of this kind, simply because thier ONLY purpose is terror. You cant even justify a weapon like that being used for self defence.

    However, and even for the Japanese people…we have learned to forgive. We have learned to survive and move on, rather than root in the squalor of victimhood. We remember those who suffer, and work toward the one day when it will never happen to anyone again.

    May Allah guide us all down the straight path.

  • SKhan

    @Mohammaden Idiographics:

    wtf? Where is this violent Islamic invasion? And of course disagreeing with Muslim countries is not Islamophobic -we Muslims do it to, genius (e.g. Reza Aslan vs Iran). Islamophobia is unjustified intolerance towards Muslims. Shariah compliant communities? You forgot to add Halacha compliant communities to that list.

  • Awesome

    “Mohammedan Demographics” and “Truth Seeker” are suffering from delusions, as they continue to peddle their outdated, fictional, Christian mythologies about Islam and themselves.

    “Muslims like you are quite good at playing the victim hood card.You can not fool the world any more.The days of Islam and Muslims are almost over.”

    – Delusions not grounded in reality, but in mythology. You are confusing the state of Israel for Islam and Muslims, and unfortunately for you, this deception of yours can only fool the lowest common denominator at this point.

    You guys are hilarious.

    – Yet ironically, the only people making jokes are you and “Truth Seeker”, since that is exactly what your Christian mythologies about the current world are; “jokes”, which you would sooner believe, rather than accept the reality of it.

    Calling for the extermination of countries and communities you don’t agree with, by definition, makes you a fascist genocidist.

    Actually doing so makes you a tyrant, a genocidal mass murderer and a criminal, and worthy of being treated as such.

  • Solid Snake

    @Mohammedian Demographics

    Let me guess? They had a sale on crack today, didn’t they?

    Hey soldier, grab an m16 get some gear and go patrol the mountains of Afghanistan…Oh what was that? Mommy doesn’t allow you to leave the basement? typical islamophobe.

  • corey

    @demograohics

  • does anyone here know J Goldberg? If so get a response please,

    Good work Danios, and you’re right, the rabid Islamophobes are not taken seriously outside of the fringe right wing,

    I’d even say that Jeffrey Goldberg isn’t as influential as the article makes out, he is more so than Geller and Spencer of course, but amongst liberals and influentials he is still something of a right winger and a Zionist stooge,

    Oh and don’t feel sorry for Americans who are ‘led astray’ as some posters above are saying, those Americans who support the likes of Goldberg know exactly what they are doing. They have their own agenda, just because it concurs with rabid Zionists doesn’t give them a free pass.

    Europeans are not taken in by these lies. Australians are not. Chinese are not. Russia is not. Stop feeling sorry for the ‘poor ignorant led by the nose’ Americans. they are anything but, and treating these rabid haters with the bigotry of low expectations is too much to take.

  • Mohammedan Demographics

    You guys are hilarious.

    After the coming eradication of Mohammedanism in the United States (watch All-American “Muslim” if you want to see the ugliness, worthlessness and lack of future for American Mohammedanism), what will I do for a laugh?

    Disagreement with Mohammedan foreign policy is not “Islamophobic”. Calling for the extermination of “Palestine”, calling for the dismantling of every Shari’ah-compliant community, calling for a war against the dar al-Islam . . . these are not “Islamophobic”.

    If someone disagrees with Avigdor Lieberman, does that make her Israelophobic? If someone supports the child-sacrificers of Gaza, does that maker ’em Israelophobic? No! It means you disagree with a state’s foreing policy.

    Similarly, those calling for the extermination of the OIC states are not Islamophobic. If anything they care more about the victimized Mohammedans who are forced by the Quran to live under Satan’s law (Shari’ah).

    We in the United States who are under violent Islamic invasion (and nothing that the United States did in Ira

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