Sean Stone
Islamophobes are all upset that Oliver Stone’s son Sean Stone converted to Islam.
For some reason the Islamophobes are hurt by this, perhaps they believe that Hollywood is about to be overtaken by Muslims or that it is a symbol of the Leftist-Muslamic axis of evil. First it was Liam Neeson and now Oliver Stone’s director son!:
Oliver Stone’s Son Converts to Islam in Iran
Tehran, Iran (CNN) – The son of Oscar-winning director Oliver Stone converted to Islam in a ceremony in central Iran, a national news agency reported.
Sean Stone became a Shiite Muslim in the city of Esfahan Tuesday and chose Ali as his new Islamic name, the semi-official Fars News Agency reported.
“The conversion to Islam is not abandoning Christianity or Judaism, which I was born with,” Stone told Fars News Agency. “It means I have accepted Mohammad and other prophets.”
He did not say why he converted.
Stone, 27, is also a filmmaker and has collaborated on his father’s projects. His father is Jewish and his mother, Christian.
Oliver Stone directed “Platoon,” “Born on the Fourth of July” and “JFK.”
February 15th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Ohhhhh my Gawd! The Moooozlims are really taking US over. And that too he converted in Iran!!. Those damn Mullahs! How can they? They stole him right under our noses. Israel needs to bomb the hell outta them. This is an insult to his ma and pa, both.
February 15th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Not only did he convert, he converted in IRAN THE WORST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!/sarcasm Whatever faiths he feels comfortable with is his own business
February 15th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
FAITH not faiths
February 15th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
WAR WITH IRAN!!! USA! USA! USA!
Lol. Gotta luv those neoconservative idiots….
February 15th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
You should see the comments on the Huffington Post article about this conversion. Most of them were angry calls to DISALLOW him re-entry to the United States because of his Muslim faith, to force him to stay in Iran with his “new friends”, to see “how he likes it in a real Muslim country”, that he must “hate women” suddenly, that he wants to stone people to death, that he hates America, that his father caused this to happen by giving him too many choices (i.e. he should have raised him as a Christian, and taught him that all other religions are false and evil), that he is an “idiot”, that anyone who converts to Islam is a “moron”, that he is going to be making propaganda films for the Iranian government, that he converted “in appearance only” so that he can make more films in the Muslim world without harassment, that his “new Muslim friends” will chop off his head if he says anything against their liking (because we all know that every Muslim has a machete on hand just in case they need to lop someone’s head off/sarcasm), that he “must not know” what Islam “really” teaches, etc.
February 15th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Imagine if this was done by the Muslim clergy! I bet the Islamphobes would have pounced on this story!
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/15/world/asia/south-korea-pastor-killings/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
February 15th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Remember this is only news because Stone is a celebrity, but it’s worth mentioning here, that one third of American Muslims are converts, so it’s not surprising. Islam is the most or second most popular religion in conversions in the USA. It always is, whereever it goes.
I do believe Wicca is the first.
Wiccan’s watch out
In a decade or so, we’ll be claiming top spot…as always, it’s top spot in Russia, in Europe, and it will be in the USA
February 15th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE….THIS IS SUCH EXCITING NEWS!!!
February 15th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
More and more people are converting to Islam because the see what a beautiful Religion it is….can you blame them? The un
washed, ill-informed redneck idiots soon will choke on its hatred
February 15th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
@Crow
Than why don’t you also explain to us, all those people who leave Islam, who were born and raised as Muslims, who still have Muslim parents, who none the less do not fear for their lives and in many case? Also why do their parents often still love them despite the fact they left the faith? One of the worst anti Muslim stereotypes out there of Muslims is that they have no love or even tolerance for anyone who has left the faith. If Islam in and off itself makes people hate filled fanatics, why are there people out there who are Muslims who are not hate filled fanatics? Please explain that to us.
February 15th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Isa
Those comments you brought up are typical Islamophobic rhetoric: that Islam is violent and backwards, oppressive, …(yawn)….or that people who become Muslims are ‘morons’
While vicious insults, they nevertheless provide amusement with their sheer inherent stupidity.
February 15th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Critical dragon, of course people should love their children even if they leave the Religion, in fact if they stop loving their child because they leave, it’s not because of Islam, but because they are not good parents. I only said many people are drawn to Islam but maybe I was not being clear, I hope I made myself better understood.
February 15th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
@ “CriticalDragon1177″ – You act as if “Crow” had insulted Islam; yet he called it a beautiful Religion, said it’s no wonder people convert to it, and that “unwashed, ill-informed, redneck idiots” [Islamophobes] will soon be choking on their hatred. How in the world is that insulting to Islam?
February 15th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Critical dear, I think you need to re-read Crow’s post.
February 15th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
I just want to leave the politics aside and say welcome to the club, buddy.
February 15th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
@Crow
I’m sorry, I misunderstood what you wrote. The way you wrote it made it sound like you were being sarcastic to me. I’m sorry.
February 15th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Here’s the comments I saw on a Salafi forum criticizing his conversion to Shi’a Islam: http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f18/oliver-stones-son-converts-shia-islam-iran-56187/
If you think the comments on other sites are bad, take a look at what the Salafis say about it, makes your head spin.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
@Dan15
I think that, that just shows that Muslims can be bigots as, including when it comes to other Muslims practicing a variant of Islam other than their own.
February 15th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
oh how despicable! how dare he choose his religious beliefs?
meanwhile, let’s criticize Saudi Arabia for having the same exact mentality a large number of Americans have!
February 15th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Critical dragon, no harm done. I know you’re eager to do the right thing…we all get s little overzealous sometime
February 15th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
In 2010 – David Harris, executive director American Jewish Congress (AJC) in the press release wrote: “By invoking this grotesque, toxic strereotype, Oliver Stone has outed himself as an anti-Semite”. The self-denying dude was commenting on Oliver Stone’s statement: “The Jewish dominance of the media, Israel has messed up United State foreign policy for years”……
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/ajc-oliver-stone-is-an-anti-semite/
February 15th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
I have little respect for Oliver Stone as a person (though I do respect him as a filmmaker) but I’m not a “Sins of the Father” guy, so that doesn’t reflect on my opinion of his son, which I don’t really have one way or another. This is non-news.
February 16th, 2012 at 2:24 am
Crow, I have a question. When you say Islam is “a beautiful religion” can you describe what you mean by that in more detail. Is it artistic, poetic, beatific, groovy, gestalt, mystical…??
February 16th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Farlowe – let me sum-up Islam in one paragrapgh.
Islam is the religion of “the middle way” – “Thus have We made you an Ummah of the middle way, that ye might be witness over the nations, and the Messenger a witness over yourself,” – Holy Qur’an 2:143. However, Islamic message do challenges the institutionalized injustices, inhumanity, immorality, greed, and other evils in the world by establishing a new social order built on bonds of ethics, justice and trust. Islam rejects all forms of racism, caste system, all forms of oppression, usury, abuse of laws for the ‘chosen ones’ and dehumanization of man on the basis of colour, nationality and religion. All these principles are considered “radical”, especially in the societies controlled by the Zionist-controlled-governments (ZOG).
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/04/02/nothing-wrong-being-a-radical-muslim/
February 16th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Rehmat
I was really impressed with your statement until you spoiled it right at the end . Parionia unfortunetly. You statement was careful astute and empowering then you said “especially in the societies controlled by the Zionist-controlled-governments (ZOG).” So close yet so far.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Sir David Vs Lord David (former British foreign secretary)!!
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/lord-owen-iran-is-the-most-powerful-country-in-the-region/
February 16th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Hello @Sir David, I may kind of understand your skepticism about @Rehmat last statement, a little, but it’s not all that total paranoia. Most people unfortunately think when “Zionism” is mentioned, is only to be all about Israel and its Jewish Zionist “watchdogs” doings and deeds, forgetting all about that there are indeed Western actors in the scene play as well, and mostly more so than the Jewish actors themselves. Zionism may have started as Jewish ideology, but most definitely today it’s most ardent supporters are not from Jewish background. Or else how can one explain why most, if not all of Western governments without any significant alternation between their respective rhetorics and actions, all feels and agrees upon and acts upon, with the same matter when it comes to Muslim nations(regardless of which one) and the Jewish Sate? Whether is Iran vs Israel, or Turkey vs Israel, or Pakistan vs Israel, Palestine vs Israel, or Lebanon vs Isreal ect ect…, most, if not all Western governments without fail uses the same stand as if they were reading from the same manual in their passionate favoritism of Israel, even though when its clearly obvious to everyone who’s been wronged and who’s been wrong, and even though all of those Western nations have very strong and good relationship with those Muslim countries on many other issues, but when it comes to the Jewish state, all bets are off and all cloves are out. That’s precisely such kind of simultaneously and done the same-manner reactions from Western nations that frightens Muslims worldwide, as if they’re saying, see how your grievance don’t matter to none of us here in the West when it come to the Jewish sate, which what’s letting some, if not most Muslims to believe that maybe indeed its Zionism who’s behind and dictating those Western governments. And although there may truth to it, some Muslims do take it to the level of “paranoia” as you state it, and of course we can’t ignore that there are no shortage of some Muslim wackos themselves doing horrible things that invites disdain and disgust, even to many Muslims, let alone non-Muslims, and that without Zionism “involvement”. —Peace
February 16th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Sir David,
Rehmat was ignomiously booted out of here once.
Don’t worry, he will be again, if he continues down this route.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:58 am
Géji
I dont agree with the Zionist cause and see it as evil. Its the ZOG stuff ,its the sort of language of the conspiracy nuts . Instead of looking at the role of big business moguls not paying a fair amount of tax etc , the role of the military Industrial complex , the role of the banks and the role of the media they talk about some fantacy bogie men
February 19th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Just a thought! Maybe he should have read “My Year inside Radical Islam” by David Gattenstein-Ross.
February 19th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Why Susanna? You know sch books don’t really work on us…
Jack
February 19th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
@Susanna
I have not read that book, but even if its true or not, just because he has converted to Islam doesn’t mean he’s going to join an Islamic extremist organization and even if they tried to recruit him, he could still just tell them no. No matter what may have led David Gattenstein-Ross to embrace extremism after becoming a Muslim, it might not lead Sean Stone down that same path. No matter what your religion is, people are individuals, we are all different. One thing that would convince me to do something, might not convince you to do the same thing.
February 19th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
CriticalDragon1177 Says: “Susanna, I have not read that book, but even if its true or not, just because he has converted to Islam doesn’t mean he’s going to join an Islamic extremist organization and even if they tried to recruit him”
@CriticalDragon, unfortunately Susanna is at the place where Thanks to God-(even if you don’t believe in Him, still) you’ve been saved from, and where you got the strength to pull out, not only for your own sanity, but for the good and safety of your fellow human beings. She’s making her own self sick, by getting of her own freewill poison that not only is dangerous to her, but to her fellow human beings and specifically the Muslims, after all they’re the main target of her daily dose. So you see, in her mind, “Islam”, is not the Islam you yourself came to realize-(after battling it maybe for so long)- as being no more no less than what it is, just a religion, like other religions out-there, with normal ups and downs. No, for Susanna, “Islam”, is anything, except that. —- For people like Susanna-(and obviously you know this)- “Islam” IS “simply”, what it IS – “radical Islam” -[i.e., evil political ideology, that earth has no room for, and why is it even here? why is it even tolerated?. Nazism was uprooted, gone, communism was uprooted, gone, so why not "Islam"? ]- that’s what “Islam” is for Ms Susanna-(hence her “radical”) —- That’s why reasoning to her – “just because he has converted to Islam doesn’t mean he’s going to join an Islamic extremist organization “, is gibberish with zero affect on her, because for her, that’s exactly what the guy did, join bunch of evil “Islamic extremists”-(i.e., the Muslims), and evil “radical Islam” -(i.e., Islam)
BTW, CriticalDragon, knowing that you’ve already done so much effort improving yourself at understanding us Muslims-(thank-you for that), and finally giving us the chance to correct the many misinformation you’ve received during… you know. We Muslims will appreciate greatly if you could make an little extra effort in eliminating for your vocabulary-(as best you can)- words such as “Islamic extremist”, or “Islamic radicals”-(although that one is not “popular”, yet), or worst of them all, the infamous, despicable word-(though I’m thankful and intend no disrespect)- that even some LW writers become accustomed to, without putting the needed quotation marks to highlight the disrespect and indignity to Muslims of such word, i.e., the mortifying “Islamic terrorism” or “Islamic terrorists”, this particularly nasty word is totally unfair to our community. So please, a little request of a Muslim here, avoid as best you can such words, and beside the followers of religion of Islam are called “Muslims”, not “Islamics”, so we wouldn’t mind if “users”-(for now at least until things cools down)- switch to “Muslim” instead of “Islamic”, cause after all those that take dreadful actions are human’s and not religion, thus nothing “Islamic” about them. Thanks in advance.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
@Géji
I understand, but people often use the term Christian extremist as well. Is that really that offensive? I don’t think most liberal Christians are offended by it. I don’t mean to offend you, or anyone and I’m sorry if I do. Even if Islam does not support the violent extremists through, some violent extremists do, do evil in the name of Islam regardless. If it really offends you though I’ll try to remember to use the term “Muslim extremist” instead of “Islamic extremist.” I think the anti bigotry blog “Hate Watch,” run by the Southern Poverty Law Center uses the term “Muslim Extremist” or “Muslim Extremism,” whenever they talk about them.
One of the things that eventually led me out of the “anti jihad movement” as I called it at the time, was that I realized even from the beginning that not all Muslims were bad, Unfortunately I thought large numbers of them were out to get me, and destroy my way of life, and most were either indifferent or unwilling to stand up to the fanatics. I’m hoping that somewhere deep down inside, Susanna actually understands that not all Muslims are her enemy and even if she does not, I’m hoping there’s some way someone can change that. If I can do that, if we can do that, if anyone can do that, it may create the first seeds of doubt that will eventually wake her up from the nightmare, and get here to see the damage she’s doing, to herself and society.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Rehmat
Lord David talks sence dont see the connection with the ZOG stuff
February 20th, 2012 at 6:16 am
> “I understand, but people often use the term Christian extremist as well. > “Is that really that offensive? I don’t think most liberal Christians are offended by it”
@CriticalDragon, thanks for replying, but objecting to word such as “Islamic extremist” or the even more perverse “Islamic terrorist”, is not a matter of “liberal” Muslim vs “conservative” Muslim, but a matter of derogation and belittlement to ordinary Muslims and their religion of Islam, and it bothers the great majority of Muslims, the same way the old insult “muhammadans” did, if not more, whether one with ‘liberal views’, or ‘conservative views’. — But the fact that you equated “Christian” with “Islamic” shows it be will be even harder to redress the error and give-back the word “Islamic” its rightful meaning. Anything done outside what the Qur’an specifically commands and allows, cannot be described as “Islamic”. Maybe you’ve heard of the silly term such as “Islamic music”, this being also a nonsense term, as the Qur’an don’t even speak of music, but that just go to show you how absurdly loose became the usage of the term “Islamic” to attached things unrelated to Qur’an. Anyway, to go back to your comparison of “Christian extremist” and “Islamic extremist”, there’s no comparison here in the literal sense, because “Christian” is an individual, that follows Christianity, the same stand as “Muslim” is an individual, that follow Islam. The word “Islamic” is different, it’s only there to describe matters that are Islam itself, and specifically from Qur’an. The Qur’an can be described as “Islamic book” because it’s the perfect representation Islam itself, but Muslims are humans and cannot be “perfect representation” of anything. Thus “Islamic” = Islam = Christianity. Christian = Muslim, hence “Christian extremist/terrorist” = “Muslim extremist/terrorist”, when one says “Islamic terrorist”, is = to “Islam terrorist” = “Christianity terrorist” or “Judaism terrorist”. Sorry for the ‘math lessons’, but that’s the easiest and quickest way I could come-up with-(many another LWatcher can do better)- but I hope you’ll understand the implication, and why such words are offence on Islam and to us ordinary Muslims — Peace be with you.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
@Géji Okay, I think I see what you’re getting at. Sorry, I’ll try to be more careful with the words I use. I guess I’m just really used to using the words in that manner, and so I subconsciously continue to do so.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
“His muslim faith?” LOL. He’s been a muslim for what, about a week?
February 20th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
I want to ask my Muslim friends- what would happen if he leaves that faith. Say he falls in love with Zoroastrianism after visiting Sun temples, say in Iran. What would happen to him ?
February 20th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
@Susanna – You know… I did read the book. It shed no light, it was just a guys experience in his life. Go read “Whatstheharm.net”.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Sounds like Sean is just as much of an asshole as his father.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
What a f**king prick that sean is.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Sean is a smart man!
February 21st, 2012 at 1:09 am
These last few reactions are weird to me. I can’t glance assholiness, prickness or intelligence from his conversion to a different religion. He may indeed be a prick, and smart, but it’s not something I can infer from the only piece of information I have about him, his conversion.
February 21st, 2012 at 5:28 am
Kushboo
Unfortunetly becoming muslim does not make one smarter.
Which I admit is a pity .
Any evidence that it does gratfully recieved( note I dont include giving up beer and drugs as proof of getting smarter bcause of Islam )
February 21st, 2012 at 8:30 am
@ Sir David
I think Kushboo was implying that he made a smart choice.
February 21st, 2012 at 12:03 pm
@Sir David says: “Kushboo. Unfortunetly becoming muslim does not make one smarter. Which I admit is a pity.”
Sir David, I have to respectfully disagree. On the contrary, one being a Muslim, or in this case, ‘becoming’ one, indeed is supposed to do just that. The Qur’an command, to seek knowledge, to think on a higher level, to engage in critical thinking, to constantly use our judgment and reasoning, and to deeply reflect on nature and its relationship with God, is almost like a mantra. Carl Sagan says: -“Knowing a great deal is not the same as being smart; intelligence is not information alone but also judgment, the manner in which information is collected and used.”- —- God often speaks of the disbelievers, as those who do not comprehend.
1 — Do they not contemplate and use intellect within themselves? Allah has not created the heavens and the earth and what is between them except in truth and for a specified term. And indeed, many of the people, in matter of the meeting with their Lord, are disbelievers. – (Sahih International)
2 — Verily; in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the succession of night and day,- there are indeed Signs for those who are endowed with insight – 3:190
February 21st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Gegi, your Hadeeth No. 1. was it applicable to Stone? I think not. He was not a disbeliever, that Hadeeth is for the mushrikeen and atheists.
February 21st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
> “Any evidence that it does gratfully recieved”
See above, I hope it helped, a little.
> “(note I dont include giving up beer and drugs as proof of getting smarter bcause of Islam )”
Ya! you’re right, just ask the many former addicts who’ve done so ‘because of Islam’.
February 21st, 2012 at 2:35 pm
PopsG Says: “Gegi, your Hadeeth No. 1. was it applicable to Stone? I think not. He was not a disbeliever, that Hadeeth is for the mushrikeen and atheists.”
Sorry I forgot to include the verse Number. But my “No.1″ verse it’s not a Hadeeth, but Surah Ar-Rum- verse 30:8, from Quran – Sahih International English Translation. Haven’t you heard of this translation before? or it’s soon as you saw the word “Sahih” you immediately thought of Bukhari – Muslim. —- As for your “He was not a disbeliever” line, if you are to mean that only “mushiken and atheists” can be “disbelievers”, then I do not follow. Many people in today’s world, in some way or the other, can be classified as being under some state of “disbelief”-(or Kufur), Muslims included. One is not to just say “I believe in the One and Only God”, to then wash-away from any responsibility. If we are to abandon the nourishment the soul needs to increase our awareness of God through praying, fasting, taking care of the needy and environment, to establishing just justice ect-ect, but instead choose to follow our selfish needs amassing world possessions to the detriment and disregard of everything else, then yes, one could classify being in state of disbelief(Kufur), and one doesn’t need to be such just because he/she says “I disbelieve in God”.
February 22nd, 2012 at 12:51 am
See, with more facts:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oliver-stone-sean-stone-bill-oreilly-mahmoud-ahmadinejad-293205
I can confidently say Sean Stone is a moron.
February 22nd, 2012 at 7:33 am
”Lä è lä hå illàllähú mùhämädûr räsûlùlläh”
—-This are the first final and last words of God.Everybody should accept it.
Accept ISLAM the only truth and pure religion of God.
February 22nd, 2012 at 7:50 am
“We love Muhammed;pbum ”
I dont feel this is a helpful contribution. I suspect you are a loon in arabic clothing
February 26th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Sorry to bust this meme, but it needs to have some critical thinking applied to it.
I have no problem with Sean Stone being a Muslim, peace be upon him. Whatever faith path he has chosen, may it bring him spiritual nourishment and help him become the best human being he may become. That is all any faith path can do for any of us, myself included.
I do think it is misleading to call himself “a Jewish Christian Muslim.”
We can be respectful of our difference while at the same time sharing what we do have in common. Better than a “melting pot” where everything must be reduced to the lowest common denominator, a “mosaic” can demonstrate the beauty of diversity while retaining the distinctiveness of what comprises the bigger picture.
The fact that he calls the TaNaKh “The Old Testament” demonstrates a bias which does not treat Jewish contexts with equality. My Muslim and Christian friends do not refer to the texts which are the core of my sacred canon as “Old.”
The “Jewish Bloodline” comment is equally offensive. Every community has the right to define what comprises its own members. When it becomes common to refer to “Hutterite Hindus” and “Brahman Baptists” then maybe we should discuss some of the multipart names for Jews which originate entirely externally of the Jewish communities. Until then, each community’s sacred texts should be afforded the nomenclature attributed to it by the community which holds that text sacred, and the names of each community should not be externally misappropriated.
As for Hollywood “snubbing him,” I’m not Hollywood. I’m not surprised at the reaction given his “conversion was in Iran.” The politics of that choice are far more inflammatory than his choice of personal beliefs. I read the articles at the link and the only negative remarks within the articles I found were hearsay, what Mr. Stone says someone said about him. How about journalists actually doing some fact-checking? While his conversion may be sincere (and I hope it is), his approach to presenting it makes this look like a classic “Hollywood Publicity Stunt” bordering on an Anti-Semitic smear. “Allah” is the word for G-d in Arabic speaking countries regardless of whether or not a person is Jewish, Christian, or Muslim. For Mr. Stone to make notable a quote from his father invoking “Allah” only contributes to a sense of this story being Hollywood hyperbole. Him claiming anything but a distant and tangential connection to Judaism is over the top.
Oliver Stone is a Buddhist who claims his “father was Jewish and his mother was French-born and Catholic. As a religious compromise, Stone was raised in the Episcopal Church.”
“Sean Stone was widely believed to have converted to Shiite Islam in 2012, but in an interview with CNN denied actually converting and said that he just accepted Mohammed as another of the prophets. In an interview with Bill O’Reilly, he added Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s statements about Israel had been misunderstood.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Stone
I can’t find anything to suggest that Sean’s mother Elizabeth Burkit Cox is or was Jewish when he was born, or that he was raised with a Jewish identity. He can’t just proclaim himself Jewish or formerly Jewish when the whim suits him anymore than his father can proclaim himself The Dali Lama or The Archbishop of Canterbury. It’s just not how things actually work.
Shalom, Salaam, Peace.