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This is Why Radical Christians are One of the Greatest Threats to the US Constitution

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Rick Santorum on "This Week" with George Stephanopoulos

For the past several years Loonwatch writers have repeatedly made the very “significant” (and obvious) point that radical Christian Islamophobes seek to undermine the constitution of the USA by entangling church and state; i.e. undermining the separation of Church and State.

We have also pointed out that the fervent fear-mongering about “Islamization,” a fairytale concept, is nothing more than projection on the part of these radicals. (Propaganda about the “Islamization” of the USA is even more ridiculous when one considers history; the fact that America was forcibly “Christianized” by colonial settlers and their offspring.)

Many Radical Christians today believe America has changed too much and that the superior place of Christianity needs to be reasserted, i.e. re-Christianization. Not only does this thought permeate the GOP, it has infact captured the GOP. This much is clear from the ongoing reality TV circus known as the Republican primary debates.

Take Rick Santorum, it was recently revealed that he “felt like throwing up” when he first read JFK’s famous speech on the separation of church and state. He was questioned about this by George Stephanopoulos, Santorum replied that he felt like vomiting after reading the first substantive line of the speech in which JFK said, “Apparently it is important for me to state again, not what kind of church I believe in, for that should be important only to me, but what kind of America I believe in. I believe in an America in which the separation between church and state is absolute. Santorum went on to say,

I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute. The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country.

This is a leading Republican candidate for the presidency saying this, it’s not something that should be simply ignored. Can one imagine if Rep.Keith Ellison, a Muslim Congressman had said the above? For a surety the Islamophobesphere would be flailing wildly about “Islamization” and the impending Sharia take over in Ellison’s home state of Minnesota.

One must also ask where is the condemnation from loons such as Robert Spencer, a fellow Catholic? We can answer our own question, Spencer is not interested in condemning this threat because he likely agrees with Santorum. Spencer in the past has spoken in forums where he has agreed with other speakers attacking the Enlightenment. His attacks weren’t of the philosophical post-modernist variety either but couched in defense of the faith rhetoric. As I wrote at the time,

Spencer agrees with Professor Kreeft regarding the Enlightenment being a threat to Catholicism though he didn’t explicitly say that Islam was less of a threat. I can see how Ultra-Conservative Catholics may rail against the Enlightenment, it was the era which saw a secularist revolt in the name of reason against the Catholic Church and which led to formulas for the Separation of Church and State, it also witnessed the decline of the power of the Catholic Church in the temporal realm.

Coming back to the main topic, I don’t believe Santorum misspoke. I don’t believe Santorum misunderstood what JFK meant or the impetus behind why he gave that famous 1960 speech. I don’t believe Santorum was making a point about how voices of faith need to be heard in the public square, etc.

Santorum believes America is a Christian country, he believes the “founding fathers” meant for it to stay that way and in fact supported such a notion. I am not sure whether Santorum follows the Dominionist ideology, (an ideology that seems to plague Protestants mostly), but he clearly believes the Church has a part to play in the operation of government.

This incident reveals the deep hypocrisy and faux loyalty to the Constitution amongst many of the Islamophobes and the populist politicians who are riding the Islam/Muslim-bashing wave. Islam and Muslims are being used as a distraction that serves to 1.) make us lose sight of the real issues, and 2.) covers a darker intent of reconquista, rechristianization by any means necessary.

Lastly, I want to clarify that this post is obviously not an attack on Christianity and should not be understood that way. The great majority of Christians are as repulsed as any other citizen when they hear such inanities spewing forth from the mouths of politicians speaking in the name of their faith. They are also on the front lines actively fighting this scourge.

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A very good video from the Young Turks on Rick Santorum’s attack on the Separation of Church and State:

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  • Kirook

    Are you writing this while high?

  • Kirook

    Yeah… I’m a Catholic, and even I think medieval/Enlightenment Catholics were a**holes.

  • Brie

    The Catholic church has a history of not only getting involved in government, but running the government, which is one of the reasons our founders harbored anti-catholic sentiments sadly and the separation of church and state was so important, to the point that catholics were not allowed to vote or even hold office in many states during Americas early years. The Catholic church’s atrocities and violation of rights in controlling the state are a lesson in history as to why separation of church and state is vital to a free society. As to the enlightenment, let us not forget history as to why people left the catholic church in droves. It started with Martin Luther, a man who the Catholic church tried to kill, and who had to be hidden away for years due to the catholic run state’s threat to his life because he held differing views of the Bible. Now during his isolation he translated the New Testament into German, a language people could read. The Catholic church would not translate the bible into a language of the people therefore effectively preventing them from reading the Bible themselves and therefore not able to challenge false doctrines. The enlightenment was due to the use of printing presses and people reading the Bible for themselves and therefore leaving the catholic church for Protestant denominations, people did not become less religious, just less Catholic. It is a shame to look at Catholic dominion before the enlightenment as something to be praised, it was nothing more than withholding the word of God from the common man, something Martin Luther put an end to, and without the reformation which led to the enlightenment even Catholics wouldn’t have a copy of the bible today.

  • Franczeska

    @”Truth man” Please let us all know the results of that upcoming drug-test you appear to have been cramming so hard for.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Just Stopping By

    Thanks. That was interesting.

  • Just Stopping By

    All: If you liked this article, you may enjoy Reza Aslan’s quiz, “Who said it: Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei or U.S. Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum?”
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/02/29/grand_ayatollah_or_grand_old_party?page=0,0

  • Truth man

    this article/garibaldi FACT-FREE article is such a sham/buffoon..HE FIRST SAYS THAT “separation of Church and state” ARE AT RISK IF THE “evil”"right wing” christians win the elections, but he fails to admit that it is only in christian countries that secularism exists in its purest form, most honest and effective form, THANKS to the teachings of the christian churches-”Give to God what belongs to God, and to ceasar what belongs to ceasar!”-JESUS CHRIST.he then carries on with his manipulative warped logic waring that considering “america2 as a “christain nation” is somehow “offensive,false, evil and dangerous”?!??!!WTF..?!?? buit when muslim imans, sheiks consider christianity (along with christians anmd all non-muslims)”evil”,”shirk2″impure2″sinful2 and destined to be destroyed by muslims, alonmg with everything that came out from christianity that includesdemocracy, human rights, freedom of expression..secularism, that IS NOT a threat to the constitution, neither is the sharia that totally contradicts all american values and rights to the core!Garibaldi..leftys, pleeease..wake up and smell the smoke.what are you doing to mankind, to maerica and to yourselves? you are in bed with satan-islam!!yopu contrdict yourselves in the worst way possible.ther is nothing rightful, progressive, liberal, humansit about deffendinf barbarism, violence, never-ending jihad/wars, opression of wimen and non-muslims, destroying mankind!

  • Lo

    Why are radical Muslims called ‘Islamists’ when radical Christians are not ‘Christianist’? Even radical Jews are not called ‘Jewist’ (they are more likely referred to as ‘Kahanists’). I’d like to point out the bitter fact that even Loonwatch has a tag of ‘Islamist’. How would Americans like it if organisations like SIOA and idiots like George Bush are called Americanists?

  • Saladin

    @Solid Snake

    “WOW! That pretty much covers all the bases! Please tell me he’s black! A black gay Muslim defending santorum! THERE’S NO WAY HE COULD BE A BIGOT! LOOK WHOS DEFENDING HIM Lmao!!”

    It gets better than that I think he is also mixed with Latino and Black I mean how can a person with a Latino/Black/Gay/Muslim friend ever be a bigot I think LoonWatch should reconsider their stance on him LOL

  • Black Infidel

    If your against the separation of church and state, US Constitution, Bill of Rights etc. etc. you are a Dominionist and a threat to the American way. No ifs, ands nor buts about it.

  • Black Infidel

    Not many people are aware of Christian Reconstruction, Dominionism and Dominion Theology. Those 3 are the real threat to the US. I’ve just watch the video called “The Rise of Dominionism” it mention Rick Santorum. Rick Santorum is indeed a Dominionist.

  • mindy1

    @Believingatheist that is good to see :D

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Reynardine

    You mean Loonopoly money! LOL!

  • Believing Atheist

    Radical Islam while it is a problem is not really that big of a threat within America. My belief is reconfirmed by something I read today in the Chicago Tribune:

    The Mosque Study 2011 survey shows that the number of U.S. mosques is growing fast and Muslims are more mainstream. This is despite a backlash after the militant attacks on New York and Washington onSeptember 11, 2001, and suspicion about militant Islam, the authors of the study by and sponsors said.

    “The Muslim community in America is growing, vibrant, and becoming more and more a part of the American landscape,” Ihsan Bagby, one of the authors, told a news conference.

    “9/11 has not detracted, has not been an obstacle in the growth of the Muslim community.”

    The survey showed that 87 percent of the mosque leaders disagreed with the survey statement that “radicalism and extremism is increasing among Muslim youth — in their own experience.”

    Only 25 percent of leaders last year believed that American society was hostile to Islam. In 2000 54 percent agreed that U.S. Society was hostile to Islam.

    More than 98 percent of mosque leaders agreed that Muslims should be involved in American institutions, and 91 percent agreed that Muslims should be involved in politics.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-religion-mosques-surveytre81s2cg-20120229,0,2454741.story

  • Reynardine

    Dragon: It’s Monopoly money. You can move from Marvin Gardens to Park Place.

  • Christian-friend

    Any Iranian out there that felt Ahmadinejad was using religion to weasel his way into office? I am starting to to feel the same way with Santorum

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Believing Atheist

    Someone should ask Kamal Saleem to show us one of those dollar bills that says in Allah We Trust on it. It kind of makes you wonder if he’s competing with Geller for the title of biggest loon. Next he’s going to say that Dianos is really Osama bin Ladin. : )

  • http://www.thenation.com/article/166481/newts-last-prayer-christian-dominionists-go-gingrich Saleh

    Dear Loonwatch editors/ writers

    i saw this and thought that it might be of some relevance to 2012 elections etc.

    http://www.thenation.com/article/166481/newts-last-prayer-christian-dominionists-go-gingrich

  • Black Infidel

    Seems the Christians tend to be the anti-Americans.

  • JD

    Senators Unite On Striking Iran, But Can’t Agree On Keeping U.S. Afloat

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/29/iran-nuclear-program-senators-obama_n_1310934.html?

    WASHINGTON — If President Barack Obama feels the need to launch a military strike against Iran’s nuclear program, Congress will back him, a group of senators declared Wednesday.

    That pledge came along with the unveiling of a resolution on Capitol Hill that appeared designed to pressure Obama into taking a tougher stance on Iran, and to foreclose any option of letting Iran achieve an atomic weapon.

    If Iran were on the verge of building a bomb, the resolution would seem to require that the administration destroy it, but Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), the chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, said it was more of a show of support for such actions.

    “This resolution is not an authorization to use military force,” Lieberman said. “But in opposing containment, it certainly is, I would think, sending a message to President Obama that if he decides as commander-in-chief that at any point that a military strike against Iran’s nuclear weapons facility is necessary in the national security interest of the United States, then he can expect broad bipartisan support from the United States Congress.”

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of 32 co-sponsors on the heavily bipartisan measure, argued that containing Iran was not an option when leaders of the country have insisted Israel be wiped out, when it’s building a nuclear program under a mountain that looks more military based than civilian, and when the nation is willing to suffer sanctions to keep its atomic program.

    “We’re not going to contain people like that, we’re going to stop them,” said Graham, although he added that his first choice to curtail the regime was still sanctions.

    Both senators argued that sanctions would be more effective if it was clear America is ready to strike, and the proposed resolution shows that.

    “It is saying we will not accept a nuclear-armed Iran because they cannot be contained,” Graham said. “They will either share the material with terrorists, is the likelihood, or for sure, create nuclear proliferation throughout the Middle East.”

    “So we’re standing with the president, to say that’s not an acceptable result,” Graham added. “I think sanctions can still work, but they will only work if the Iranians believe the military option is on the table.”

  • Believing Atheist

    I got a tip for LW check this out and report it if you want to. It’s about Kamal Saleem:

    Latest Conspiracy Theory: Muslims Altering US Dollars to Read ‘In Allah We Trust’
    Submitted by Brian Tashman on Wed, 02/29/2012 – 12:05pm
    Self-proclaimed “ex-terrorist” Kamal Saleem tells quite a story about his life, claiming that he worked for late Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi, Hamas, the Palestine Liberation Organization, and fought with Al Qaeda in Tora Bora, all before coming to the United States in order to carry out the “culture jihad.” Sure his entire story is a fabrication, but that hasn’t stopped this descendent of the imaginary “Grand Wazir of Islam” from getting speaking gigs across the country where he criticizes Islam and warns of impending Sharia law in the United States.

    Yesterday, Saleem sat down again with fellow anti-Muslim activists Jerry Boykin and Rick Joyner on Prophetic Perspectives where he warned that as part of the effort of Muslim-Americans to usher in an Islamic theocracy, they are replacing the words “In God We Trust” on the dollar with “In Allah We Trust”:

    Watch: There is a video on the site.

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/latest-conspiracy-theory-muslims-altering-us-dollars-read-allah-we-trust

  • Susanna

    @CriticalDragon1177

    If you would look at those Youtube videos it will give you the other side of the coin or do you prefer to be biased?

    As to the second part, I’m not sure what your getting at there. It has been deemed by the Supreme Court that prayer in school is violates the separation of Church and State because schools are federally funded, deemed part of the state. Up until that decision prayer in school was part of our education. But it is true that you can pray by yourself, but publicly no.

    @ Just Stopping By

    The answer is still the same. No to all the points. It was another time and people were freer and understood the need for guidance from their Creator.

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