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This is Why Radical Christians are One of the Greatest Threats to the US Constitution

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Rick Santorum on "This Week" with George Stephanopoulos

For the past several years Loonwatch writers have repeatedly made the very “significant” (and obvious) point that radical Christian Islamophobes seek to undermine the constitution of the USA by entangling church and state; i.e. undermining the separation of Church and State.

We have also pointed out that the fervent fear-mongering about “Islamization,” a fairytale concept, is nothing more than projection on the part of these radicals. (Propaganda about the “Islamization” of the USA is even more ridiculous when one considers history; the fact that America was forcibly “Christianized” by colonial settlers and their offspring.)

Many Radical Christians today believe America has changed too much and that the superior place of Christianity needs to be reasserted, i.e. re-Christianization. Not only does this thought permeate the GOP, it has infact captured the GOP. This much is clear from the ongoing reality TV circus known as the Republican primary debates.

Take Rick Santorum, it was recently revealed that he “felt like throwing up” when he first read JFK’s famous speech on the separation of church and state. He was questioned about this by George Stephanopoulos, Santorum replied that he felt like vomiting after reading the first substantive line of the speech in which JFK said, “Apparently it is important for me to state again, not what kind of church I believe in, for that should be important only to me, but what kind of America I believe in. I believe in an America in which the separation between church and state is absolute. Santorum went on to say,

I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute. The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country.

This is a leading Republican candidate for the presidency saying this, it’s not something that should be simply ignored. Can one imagine if Rep.Keith Ellison, a Muslim Congressman had said the above? For a surety the Islamophobesphere would be flailing wildly about “Islamization” and the impending Sharia take over in Ellison’s home state of Minnesota.

One must also ask where is the condemnation from loons such as Robert Spencer, a fellow Catholic? We can answer our own question, Spencer is not interested in condemning this threat because he likely agrees with Santorum. Spencer in the past has spoken in forums where he has agreed with other speakers attacking the Enlightenment. His attacks weren’t of the philosophical post-modernist variety either but couched in defense of the faith rhetoric. As I wrote at the time,

Spencer agrees with Professor Kreeft regarding the Enlightenment being a threat to Catholicism though he didn’t explicitly say that Islam was less of a threat. I can see how Ultra-Conservative Catholics may rail against the Enlightenment, it was the era which saw a secularist revolt in the name of reason against the Catholic Church and which led to formulas for the Separation of Church and State, it also witnessed the decline of the power of the Catholic Church in the temporal realm.

Coming back to the main topic, I don’t believe Santorum misspoke. I don’t believe Santorum misunderstood what JFK meant or the impetus behind why he gave that famous 1960 speech. I don’t believe Santorum was making a point about how voices of faith need to be heard in the public square, etc.

Santorum believes America is a Christian country, he believes the “founding fathers” meant for it to stay that way and in fact supported such a notion. I am not sure whether Santorum follows the Dominionist ideology, (an ideology that seems to plague Protestants mostly), but he clearly believes the Church has a part to play in the operation of government.

This incident reveals the deep hypocrisy and faux loyalty to the Constitution amongst many of the Islamophobes and the populist politicians who are riding the Islam/Muslim-bashing wave. Islam and Muslims are being used as a distraction that serves to 1.) make us lose sight of the real issues, and 2.) covers a darker intent of reconquista, rechristianization by any means necessary.

Lastly, I want to clarify that this post is obviously not an attack on Christianity and should not be understood that way. The great majority of Christians are as repulsed as any other citizen when they hear such inanities spewing forth from the mouths of politicians speaking in the name of their faith. They are also on the front lines actively fighting this scourge.

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A very good video from the Young Turks on Rick Santorum’s attack on the Separation of Church and State:

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  • TheBig-T

    @ sh*tseeker
    you are the mental illness
    seek some help man

  • Just Stopping By

    “Islam is a contagious mental illness.It is best to keep it away from the American soil …” And that’s why we have to allow for tall, multi-story mosques, like a few blocks from Ground Zero, right?

  • Truth Seeker

    Islam is a contagious mental illness.It is best to keep it away from the American soil and the Muslims are the carriers.

  • Zakariya Ali Sher

    Christians, especially recent converts, have incited communal violence in parts of Asia, Africa and elsewhere. So have Muslims, for that matter, and Hindus, Sikhs, etc. In the 70s, there was a sudden influx of evangelical Christians into parts of East Africa where they had previously been unknown and they were exceedingly confrontational with the Muslim majority. About the same time, hardline Wahhabi/Salafi ideologues also came into the Muslim community, inciting many of the same problems. So no, it’s not just about saying bad things about Muhammad (PBUH). I’d point out that many countries ban proselytizing, while still allowing relative freedom of worship. You just can’t harass people.

    That said, I can’t really say I’m a fan of state approving religious orthodoxy, even if I do like Malaysia. If nothing else, as a Shi’a Muslim, it means there are some pretty important theological differences. On a cultural level, restricting the use of the word ‘Allah’ to Muslims is just silly, since any Arabic speaker is well aware that Arab Christians and Jews also use the term. No Arab would see that as disrespectful to Islam, or competing. It’s just a fact. That said, those are relatively small quibbles. It does more to illustrate why the separation of Church and State is preferable in my opinion.

    In Malaysia’s defense, I might also point out that only about half the population is Muslim in the first place. Almost half the population is foreign, mostly Chinese and Tamil, and they are overwhelmingly Hindu, Christian, Buddhist or even Atheist. Yet Malaysia has very few problems with everyone living in peace. Indeed, Malaysia enjoys wealth and prosperity, rivaling many nations in the ‘west.’ That raises quite a few issues with morons such as Merkel, who claimed ‘multiculturalism failed,’ a statement which I have so much to say.

  • HGG

    ” In Malaysia, except for radical forms of other religions (like Christians who pass handbills on the streets demeaning Islam”

    Whoa. Handing out pamphlets saying mean things about Muhammed? Those are really RADICAL extremists!!

  • NurAlia

    @mindy

    I, and a lot of people looking at the American election from the outside are asking the same questions.

    We are asking…pretty much…where are the adults?

  • NurAlia

    @black infidel.

    I live in Malaysia,and I saw the photograph of the woman’s tatoo. Personally, I would not get tatooed, but if I did, I would not disrespect someone else’s religion by using thier symbols.

    I think here, our culture is different. We, like Americans are trying to manaage a nation where diversity is seen as strength. In Malaysia, except for radical forms of other religions (like Christians who pass handbills on the streets demeaning Islam) Islam is ‘regulated’ by the government. They go into masjids, for example and hear what is being taught…if they hear a hateful message, they admonish those who spread it.

    I am not defending, or supporting the decision not to let the woman perform. I think that The Star is more to blame here, knowing the sensitivity of the culture on these matters, and not paying attention to what they publish.

    I think you want, or expect something bad to happen beside protestors. In Malaysia, we have a voice…no occupier can quiet us in our own country. The woman’s tatoo was not ment to be offensive, nor did she purposely mean to incite anger. I suppose she did it because she wanted to.

    However, the difference in her tatoo, and those who published the cartoons, and those who burn Qur’ans is that they purposely mean to anger. They, on a consistant basis demean, dehumanise, and minimise Islam and Muslims. In Afganistan for example, the Qur’an burners are of the same people that kill innocent people, then dehumanise them as terrorists, or minimise thier deaths as ‘accidents’

    Those apologies sort of lose thier meaning…after a pattern of dehumanisation. I suppose they are apologising for getting caught, more than they are for the pattern of acts they commit.

    So…we cant equate the incident of the singer to the Qur’an burning in Afganistan. Her purpose was not to spread anger…the oppressor’s purpose is to dehumanise a people.

  • HGG

    “where are the candidates for those who are not as progressive as Obama, but who do not want to go back to the “good ole days??” Where are the centrist candidates??”

    No offense Mindy, but only an American could call Obama a “progressive” :D

    For the rest of the world, someone like Obama would be a center-right candidate.

    But if he’s not conservative enough, and someone like Santorum is too much, you could try with Romney.

    (P.D. As I wrote this, Romney was declared winner of the Michigan primary, so he got both Arizona and Michigan and he, despite Conservatives trying a new flavor each week, will be the Republican contender in the coming elections, so you’ll get your chance to vote for him)

  • khushboo

    minister santorum wants to bring in creeping Christian law.

  • Black Infidel

    Erykah Badu concert in Malaysia canceled over her ‘Allah’ tattoo, report says

    A publicity photo of Erykah Badu has gotten the singer, and the newspaper that published it, in trouble in Malaysia.

    Badu had her concert canceled by the Kuala Lumpur’s Culture, Arts and Heritage Ministry when a photo showing a tattoo of the Aarabic word “Allah” written on Badu’s upper body was published in the Malaysian newspaper The Star, BBC News reports.

    A Malaysian official reportedly called the photo “an insult to Islam.”

    The Star has already issued an apology, BBC News reports, calling the publication of the photo “inadvertent.”

    “We deeply regret any offence caused to Muslims and sincerely apologize for the oversight,” the paper said on Tuesday.

    Badu, already in Kuala Lumpur for the concert, is reportedly “worried and dismayed.”

    Tattoos are a no-no in Islam, as is using the word “Allah” in any way deemed disrespectful. Malaysia is predominantly Muslim.

    There were already protesters outside The Star offices when the paper issued its apology, BBC News reports.

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/02/28/erykah-badu-concert-in-malaysia-canceled-over-her-allah-tattoo-report-says/?intcmp=features#ixzz1nk6YNjVl

  • Nadir

    Thanks for writing about this, it really helps put things into perspective.

  • SimpleAtheist

    Gotta luv’ those good ole boys, those Judeo-Christian, synagogue/church goin, God fearin, red-blooded, white boys that made our nation what it is….

    Lol…..

  • SimpleAtheist

    Rick Santorum, like other extremists such as Spencer, Geller, and Gingrich, all live in a fantasy world. They can live their lives the way they want to- but don’t impose it on everybody else or start attacking Muslims/Islam because of beliefs.

    The same goes for zionists- Ancient fairy tales do not entitle you to claim half the levant all for yourselves.

  • Zakariya Ali Sher

    I have no problem with ANY given candidate being religious; in fact, I would rather encourage people to have strong convictions and wear it in the open. I have no problem with a fellow Muslim running for office, or for a Jew, Christian, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, Wiccan, Satanist or Atheist running for office. The only caveat being that they recognize MY choice to practice Islam as I see fit, and let me practice in peace.

    In America, we have separation of Church and State specifically because we have so many diverse beliefs. Even if, as so many dominionists like to claim, the Founding Fathers had intended for America to be a ‘Christian nation,’ then whose Christianity do we follow? The Catholics? The Baptists? The Lutherans? The Ethiopian Orthodox Church? The Mormons? The Seventh Day Adventists? The Amish? The Unitarians? There are so, so many variations of Christianity alone that we cannot logically implement any of them as the ideological basis for our laws without stepping on someone else’s toes. The ONLY choice is to respect and allow everyone to practice their faith without getting the government involved in it.

    And that’s where I have to part ways with Santorum, because he does not seem to recognize that freedom of religion does not mean you can’t hold office and still maintain your faith. It only means you cannot impose it on someone else. Or perhaps he chooses not to acknowledge that so he can pander to the so-called ‘religious right.’ Either way though, I suspect it will be a moot point; I doubt Santorum could beat Obama. Barring some huge disaster, Obama will eat him alive. Yes, Santorum is doing well against Romney, but the people who vote in a primary are not the general public, nor are they Democrats (well, except in Michigan, where Democrats have copied Rush’s operation chaos), Independents and other voters who are far less likely to care about social conservatism.

    Let’s face it guys. As much as Santorum may be a bigot and anti-Muslim, he isn’t likely to become President so we have less to fear from him. Frankly, I’m much more concerned by people like King and Bloomburg. We’ve got New York police spying on Muslim students, businesses and mosques outside of their jurisdiction, and the mayor openly defends it? Seriously? That’s much scarier to me. We should be working as hard as possible to get those two clowns out of office.

  • Reynardine

    In fact, there are Dominionists trying to steeplejack the Catholic church, and I believe Santorum is one.

  • jawad

    i think it’d be interesting if they were asked to declare their loyalty, constitution or the bible (like many have asked rep ellison to do)

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Eslaporte

    Interestingly enough, there’s a book called American Taliban, about the religious right. A friend of mine told me about it. I think this might be the book he was talking about.

    American Taliban: How War, Sex, Sin, and Power Bind Jihadists and the Radical Right.
    http://www.amazon.com/American-Taliban-Power-Jihadists-Radical/dp/1936227029/ref=tag_stp_s2f_edpp_americ16an

  • http://www.yellow-stars.com eslaporte

    These radical Christians want for America what the Taliban wants for Afghanistan: Rule by religious laws, including laws for heresy and blasphemy.

    American Talibans like Rick Santorum wants to put the Bible over the Constitution. What I think were would get if this religious radical ever got to be president would be like what the Dutch got while under the rule of Philip II of Spain in the late 1500s. It wasn’t pretty…

    And – as a Christian I don’t want to live in a Christian country.

  • mindy1

    Arrgggghhh where are the candidates for those who are not as progressive as Obama, but who do not want to go back to the “good ole days??” Where are the centrist candidates?? :eek:

  • Al

    Santorum is a complete nutcase.

  • HGG

    I said this in the thread where this item was posted and I’ll say it again: whenever I watch Santorum speak on Women’s rights, women and gays in the military or, like in the interview above, about the separation of Church and State, I do feel like throwing up. And it’s not even hyperbole. The guy makes me sick.

    So that makes us, even, I suppose.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Garibaldi

    By the way, you may or may not know this, but The Reverend Berry Lyn’s organization was at the forefront fighting the anti sharia legislation put forth by groups like Act For America, as well.

    http://www.au.org/search/site/sharia

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Garibaldi

    You’re Welcome!

  • Garibaldi

    Thanks for the tip Critical, I was just thinking to include that link!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Garibaldi

    Here’s a pretty good website for anyone living in the United States who is concerned with the danger radical Christian Fundamentalist pose to our liberty. Its one of the best secularist organizations out there, and they’re not anti Christin or anti religion. Berry Lyn is even a Christian minister.

    American United For The Separation of Church and State.
    http://www.au.org/

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