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A Journey Out of Islamophobic Darkness


Leaving the Islamophobia nightmare

The Islamophobia propaganda machine has its roots in years of concerted online, media and marketing campaigns. This well oiled machine of hate has attracted many followers, and they can be broken up into several groups (there may be considerable overlap):

1.) Those who were ripe for the picking. These individuals already had a hate for Islam and Muslims or Arabs, they were already racist in one way or another, and easily attached themselves to Islamophobia.

2.) Opportunists. These individuals are always looking for a way to make a buck, to line their pockets. Real, honest work doesn’t suit their tastes and so they’ve devoted themselves to that centuries old money-maker, hate.

3.) True believers. They may come from various ends of the ideological spectrum, most of them are very afraid, fear courses through their every waking moment, they are made even more afraid by modern interpretations of say Biblical prophecies, or fears about the existential threat of the end of Western society.

4.) The gullible or the naive. These individuals read and believe the Islamophobic propaganda because they perceive the arguments as objective, factual, honest, and fitting with their worldview, or answering their confusion and incomprehension of world events or history.

There may be a few other groups not identified here, but those in the last category, the “gullible or the naive,” are usually individuals who later become enlightened and realize the true nature of Islamophobia. They start to question the poor “analysis,” the skewing of “facts,” the blindly subjective and hateful methodology employed by those they once respected as honest brokers on the issues of Islam and Muslims.

One such individual is Charles Johnson. Loonwatch documented his groundbreaking and public quarrel with his former allies, JihadWatch’s Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller of AtlasShrugs. For Johnson it was their too easy comfort and alliance with fascists like Geert Wilders that broke the proverbial camel’s back, and ever since, he has been outspoken in his criticism of Islamophobes.

Their have been many like Johnson, some who have changed their minds because of our site or their own introspection. One such individual is regular Loonwatch commenter and tipster CriticalDragon. CriticalDragon was quite involved with right-wing anti-Muslim sites, respected the leading lights of Islamophobia, and even commented (under a different screen name) on Jihad Watch amongst other blogs.

We asked CriticalDragon to tell us about how he at one time embraced Islamophobia, and how and why he eventually left the quagmire of hate:

LW: What first attracted you to the “counter-jihadists?”

CD: Prior to 9/11, I was naive and had an overly simplistic and overly positive view of my country and the world. It’s not that I thought that America had done no wrong, but I believed that in every war since World War II, its intentions were noble.

I always considered myself an anti-bigot, which was ironic since I would become a bigot myself. Although I wasn’t as bad as some of the Islamophobes out there, I said and supported some things that I’m now really ashamed of. One of the reasons why I fell for the “counter jihadists” may have been in part because prior to 9/11, I didn’t hear much about anti-Muslim bigotry.

I did however have a very black and white view of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. I got most of my information on that from people like Rush Limbaugh. Although I wouldn’t call Rush an Islamophobe, he always portrayed the Palestinian side as evil. However, he did not make a connection between the conflict and Islam.

Right after 9/11 occurred, I wanted to find out why we were attacked. What had America done to deserve such an attack in their eyes, and why were they so willing to die to hurt us?

I knew about suicide bombers in Israel, but I really knew that I didn’t understand what motivated them either, but I didn’t think much about it, because I was not involved in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. It didn’t affect me much, or anyone I knew, but now I felt that my country was in danger of being attacked again at any moment. I became aware shortly after the event of the fact that the 9/11 hijackers were Muslims, but I did not connect the two until later.

Searching for answers I came across the “counter Jihad blogs.” I can’t remember if the first one I came across was Jihad Watch or another one, but at some point I reached Jihad Watch. I read it and some other relatively moderate “Counter Jihad” blogs and basically believed everything I read without doing enough research to determine if they were true or not. For a while I assumed that what they were saying did not apply to most Muslims, and tried, but not hard enough, to find some peaceful liberal Muslims who denounced terrorism.

Even after visiting those sites I probably wouldn’t have bought into the Stealth Jihad or Population Jihad conspiracies if not for two events.

First, I assumed that after we overthrew the Taliban, the government in Afghanistan would be a genuine liberal democracy with religious freedom. At the time, and even though I believed people like Spencer in regards to what they presented as the “teachings of Islam” (death to the infidels, lying to the infidels, oppressive theocracy), I assumed most Muslims did not follow such “teachings.” But after the war was over, I remember an Afghan man who was set to be put to death for converting from Islam to Christianity, and it not only disappointed me, it kind of shocked me.

I literally believed what George W. Bush said about people wanting to live in freedom, and the Afghan people had chosen to install a government without freedom of religion, even after living under a brutal theocracy, and it seemed to me that we had even encouraged it to some degree.

Second was the cartoon riots, which really scared me, because it looked like large numbers of Muslims around the world spontaneously erupted over harmless cartoons, and I saw what looked like Western governments caving-in to their demands.

LW: Which Islamophobic blogs did you frequent?

CD: Mostly The Infidel Blogger’s Alliance, Bosch Fawstin, Citizen Warrior, FrontpageMag, Culturism, and Religion of Peace, which is the worst of them all. It literally scared me, every time I visited it.

They’re really deceptive in how they cherry pick news stories and post hundreds of terrifying stories about Islam and Muslims to support their agenda.

I might suggest that Loonwatch take the “Religion of Peace” website to task more often, except most of the stuff on there isn’t written by them. Most of it is just links to articles on other websites.

Although I read at least two of Robert Spencer’s books I did not spend a lot of time at Jihad Watch. I may have admired him at the time but I didn’t spend much time on his blog. The same is true for Pamela Geller and her Atlas Shrugs blog. One of the reasons why I didn’t realize how nuts she was may well have been because I didn’t spend much time there.

If you are going to take on one of the Islamophobic bloggers whose blog I used to follow I would recommend laying the smack down on Citizen Warrior. He’s kind of like Robert Spencer, but maybe a bit more sophisticated, although he hasn’t written any books that I’m aware of.  You might also want to take on John Kenneth Press (AKA Culturist John) who wrote the book Culturism, and runs the blog by the same name, and eviscerate some of his arguments, although he usually doesn’t deal with Islam or Muslims.

LW: You’ve mentioned in your comments that you truly believed in the threat of “stealth jihad.” Were there any other major themes that seemed to make sense to you at the time?

CD: I’m really embarrassed to say this, but after reading Marks Steyn‘s America Alone, I actually became convinced that Muslims in Europe were having far more children than non-Muslims, and given enough time, they would become the majority. I believed they would most likely turn those countries into Islamic theocracies, because at the time, that’s what I thought most of them wanted, or they wouldn’t be willing to resist when the fanatics started taking over.

I thought it might take centuries but still it scared me, the idea that these people with such an alien worldview might destroy Western culture and eventually replace it with Sharia’. I know its stupid, but I wasn’t thinking too hard at the time unfortunately.

Note that I never saw this in racial terms, always cultural terms. I was Islamophobic, but I was not a racist. I believed that Muslims in the West were raising their children in such a way that they would not share our values. It was not something genetic, but rather how I thought they were raising their children.

I also believed that the West was at war with Islam, yet simultaneously did not believe that all Muslims were evil, or even our enemies. I know that’s a contradiction, but I didn’t think about it too much at the time. On the occasions when other people would bring that up, I just rationalized it away. However, the fact that I realized that not all Muslims could be evil, would eventually help bring me out of the Islamophobic nightmare.

LW: For how long were you a regular visitor to the “counter-jihadist” blogs?

CD: Sadly, I was a follower and supporter of “counter jihad” blogs for about ten years following 9/11. I only really stopped being an Islamophobe some time in late September of 2011, and even then it would be another month or two before I completely rejected all their nonsense. For example I was still somewhat suspicious of CAIR until I realized that just about every blog that suspected them of being connected to terrorist groups like Hamas, recommended Jihad Watch and by that time I had come to see Robert Spencer as the bigot and liar that he really is.

LW: About Ten Years? Why did it take you so long to see the light?

CD: I got scared and I did not do a very good job of questioning what I was told. I was terrified, and I wanted to stop Jihadists from destroying our freedom. It seemed so obvious to me, because I was getting such a distorted picture of reality.

Early on when I joined the counter jihad movement, most of the information I was getting on what was going on in the world involving Islam and Muslims was incredibly biased to say the least, and I did not try very hard to critique it, because all the evidence seemed so overwhelming at the time. Most of the blogs I frequented outside of the “Counter Jihad Movement” rarely mentioned Islam or Muslims. I occasionally, though rarely, visited left wing political blogs.

One of the few exceptions was American United for the Separation Of Church and State, but I don’t even think they talked about Islam until people in the states started trying to pass anti-Shariah legislation. I spent the vast majority of my time on right-wing Islamophobic blogs, and my preferred news channel was Fox News, which rarely debunked Islamophobes. For those reasons, I almost always saw what left wing bloggers wrote refuting Islamophobic claims through the eyes of Islamophobes, and I rarely heard about Muslims protesting evil done in the name of their faith.

However, if I had been willing to do a bit more research to see what groups like Act For America really based their opposition on, outside of the Islamophobic blogs I frequented I would have seen just how wrong they were. In addition I was too quick to dismiss arguments against their positions.

There were some skeptical science blogs and YouTube channels that I really enjoyed, and they tended to be rather left wing, but they rarely mentioned Islam, that is until the idea of Everybody Draw Muhammad day and the issue of the “Ground Zero Mosque” came up, which was years after 9/11 and the cartoon riots.

Even then, too often, I tended to just dismiss them unless I already agreed with them. I got to the point where I really did not want to admit I was wrong. Maybe I didn’t want to admit I was being a bigot.

Case in point, when atheist YouTuber and foe of creationists everywhere, “Thunderf00t” came out in support for Everybody Draw Muhammad day, and made at least one anti “Ground Zero Mosque” video, I tended to dismiss the arguments that other, better, Youtuber skeptics made against him.

I admired “ThunderF00t,” for his strong stance for science and reason and against the “backwardness of Islam.” Ironically I would eventually come to respect and admire the people on YouTube who opposed him like Coughlin 666 (now Coughlin 616 and Coughlin 000) and Ujames1978 (now Ujames1978Forever and Pirus The God Slayer).

I was a horrible skeptic to say the least. For a long time I fell for just about every single prominent Loon.

I believed most of the things that they said, and it seemed like there were just so many “former Muslims” out there talking about how “evil” Islam is, and how the West was destined to be Islamized if we did not do anything to stop it, because there were just so many fanatical Muslims out there determined to force us to convert or submit. I used to really admire Wafa Sultan and, although I thought Walid Shoebat‘s fundamentalist Christian beliefs were a bit nonsensical to say the least, I never doubted that he really was a “former Muslim terrorist” until much later.

I had managed to entrap myself in my own nightmarish digital web of Islamophobia.

LW: What effect, if any did self-proclaimed Muslim supporters of Robert Spencer, such as Zuhdi Jasser have on you?

CD: They actually encouraged me to support the “counter jihad movement” early on and likely contributed to my own Islamophobia, but ironically and counter-intuitively they also were one of the factors that prevented me from seeing all Muslims as the enemy.

Let me explain.

By doing the things that he did, such as being the host of the Clarion Fund‘s anti-Muslim propaganda film, “The Third Jihad,”Jasser likely convinced a lot of people that there really was a conspiracy among American Muslims to “Islamize” the country. Some Islamophobic websites link to his organization, the “American Islamic Forum for Democracy,” and they use it as a way of claiming that they’re not really bigoted against Muslims because some Muslims support them and vice versa.

This certainly reinforced all of my fears, but at the same time, since I couldn’t come up with what I thought would be a good reason for him to be lying about this, it encouraged me to think that not all Muslims were bad. In fact, he was one of the few Muslims that I was certain was not lying to me.

Ironically, I didn’t lose respect for Jasser even while other anti-Muslim bigots tried to convince me that he was really a Stealth Jihadist as well. The only thing that made me completely lose respect for him was something he did after I left the “anti-jihad” movement, when he made a video defending Lowes at the moment they gave into intimidation and pressure from anti-Muslim bigots to drop support for the show “All American Muslim.” I was no longer an Islamophobe at that point and was in fact trying to fight anti-Muslim bigotry.

I’m not sure if Jasser is a “self hating Muslim” for lack of a better term, but he may be a useful idiot for Islamophobes. I have come across multiple instances where Islamophobes accused him of being a Stealth Jihadist as well, just because he’s a Muslim, they think he is lying to them and that he really supports groups like AlQaeda. What he and his organization are doing is perpetuating baseless conspiracy theories about Muslims, and he won’t convince Islamophobes who are already convinced that he’s the enemy that he’s a friend.

In fact, if he ever comes to see how baseless the Stealth Jihad conspiracy really is, and turns around and stops supporting “counter jihadists,” then a bunch of people who used to support him will become  convinced that he really was a stealth Jihadist all along.

LW: What changed your mind? Was it a single event or a process over time?

CD: It was a process, but there were some definite events.

I recall these events not in any particular order:

Even before 9/11, I considered myself a conservative, but I had some views that were not stereotypical of a conservative. For one thing I was a supporter of the separation of Church and State. I considered myself a secularist and a skeptic. I may have rightfully rejected things like scientific creationism, but a good skeptic would never have fallen for someone like Spencer or Geller, or if they had, they would have had too many doubts as soon as they started talking about things like the Stealth Jihad, or learned that they had their “scholarly” work published in the same series of books that promoted creationism and other forms of pseudoscience.

When I learned that Spencer’s, “the Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades,” had been published by the same people who published “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Darwinism and Intelligent Design,” it should have set off some red flags, but I had allowed myself to become too convinced that he was correct by then, and that he was a “real scholar.”

I was shocked when secularist groups like American’s United For the Separation of Church and State actually came out against the anti-Sharia’ legislation. I assumed they would support such laws, because in my mind it was fighting for secularism. The problem was that since I believed in those nonsensical anti-Muslim conspiracy theories, I actually believed that Muslim fanatics were a greater threat to our freedom than the religious right.

Like all bigots I was closed minded, but maybe not as closed minded as some. Part of the problem was that I was getting most of my information on Islam and Muslims from right-wing sources and they were incredibly biased. It made it look like there was a large number of Muslims out to take over the world. While I’m certain there are some blogs out there run by genuine right wing anti-loons, I didn’t come across too many. When I happened to come across a video debunking the claim that Muslims were likely to become the majority through immigration I began to doubt it for the first time.

Earlier, I came across another more “moderate critic” of Islam who went by the user name, “Klingschor.”  He started out as a supporter of Robert Spencer and at one time had favorited the ridiculous “Three Things You Probably Don’t Know About Islam” video on his YouTube channel.  However, as Klingschor got more educated, he eventually turned against Spencer. He created a video supporting the “Ground Zero Mosque,” and Imam Rauf, where he viciously attacked Spencer and Geller for being bigots.  (The video is no longer on his channel, although now I wish he’d repost the original or remake it).  I admired Spencer and Geller and I was convinced that Rauf was a “stealth jihadist,” so this shocked me, since I admired Klingschor as well and he didn’t seem pro-Islam to me. I wondered why he wasn’t convinced as I was that Rauf was up to no good and why he had suddenly turned on Spencer and Geller.  I had trouble explaining it.

In addition, I began to realize that if things did not change, a lot of innocent people were going to get hurt, and not by Muslim jihadists. I knew that not all Muslims were our enemies, and I would sometimes get into arguments with other people who held worse views than I did; people who wanted to nuke Mecca and kill every single Muslim on the planet.

Even when I pointed out to them how innocent people would be killed, it did not phase them. These nuke Mecca/kill all Muslims people were so bad that I saw them as anti-Muslim bigots even when I was an anti-Muslim bigot. That’s how bad they were.

Then something else happened, something that was somewhat of a watershed moment.

Most people in the “counter Jihad movement” assumed Anders Breivik was a Muslim when news of his rampage first came out. I was not really that shocked by the fact that he was not a Muslim, since I knew non-Muslim terrorists existed, but I was shocked by his motive.

He went on his rampage and murdered innocent people including many children, believing it was necessary to stop the Islamization of Europe. Of course excuses were made for Spencer and Geller not being responsible, and I bought into them at first, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that their rhetoric did nothing to discourage a Breivik.

Even if Breivik got his beliefs from somewhere else, he idolized Spencer and Geller and was an avid supporter, not to mention other prominent figures in the “counter Jihad Movement.” If anything, they encouraged his behavior even if they did not specifically tell him to commit violent acts.

It was also about this time that I found out that a couple of the lesser known Islamophobes that I admired were racists.  No one you’ve probably heard of, just a couple of nobodies really, but I had admired them and thought they were smarter than they actually were. This was another shock to my system because I had really respected them, and I had always regarded racism as abhorrent and stupid. I instantly lost respect for them.

Plus I saw a video by Coughlin 616, called “Pamela Geller Busted.” Although at the time I thought he was wrong to oppose Geller and believed he was far too concerned with neo-Nazis as compared to Jihadists, I decided to watch the video. After watching it, and checking Coughlin’s sources, I realized that he had proven that Geller was a liar. What’s more she might have been covering for Breivik or someone like him. I suddenly had a lot more respect for Coughlin and a lot less respect for Geller.

In the meantime, I saw more videos by Klingscor, and another Youtube atheist critic of Islam, CEMBadmins, that actually debunked some common Islamophobic claims. One of them was taqiya, both of them made videos on the subject thoroughly debunking the claim that taqiya is lying for Islam and that Muslims are more likely to lie than non Muslims.

CEMBadmins really made it hard for me to continue to believe in the taqiya conspiracy since he was not only a critic of Islam, but an ex-Muslim. In his video, he talked about a poll taken of members of the Council of Ex-Muslims (his organization) and it turned out that most of them had never even heard of taqiya, and those that had regarded it as a defensive mechanism to protect themselves from persecution, not lying to promote Islam like I had been taught by others in the “counter jihad movement.”

I thought to myself, “Why would ex-Muslims lie for Islam?” It slowly began to hit me just how wrong people like Spencer were on the subject.

Soon, I saw a couple of videos on Muslims who helped save Jews during the Holocaust. At least one of them I came across on Loonwatch. Although I always knew there were at least some rare instances when Muslims helped non Muslims, I had no idea that so many Muslims had done so much at one time to help a large group of non-Muslims. I was slowly realizing just how much the evil done by Muslims to non Muslims like myself in the name of Islam was exaggerated by people in the “counter jihad movement,” and how much they ignored the good done by Muslims in the name of Islam.

The final nail in the coffin for my support for those “counter jihad” blogs and Spencer and Geller was when I realized that Islam has not traditionally endorsed terrorism.  When I found Loonwatch and looked at the actual statistics for the first time I realized that very few terrorists in the United States and Europe were even Muslims.

I came to realize just how wrong I was, and I felt an odd combination of happiness and relief as well as guilt and shame, simultaneously.

LW: Why do you spend so much time trying to help fight anti-Muslim bigotry now?

CD: For one thing, ever since I allowed myself to see the light, I have come to realize just how wrong I was. I’ve come to see that the people I once admired and supported like Geert Wilders are actually a greater threat to our freedom than the threat they claim to be fighting.

Since Stealth Jihad and Islamization are myths, there’s no need for any legislation to fight them. If anything, a lot of innocent people are going to be hurt by “counter jihadists” including innocent Muslims and non-Muslims alike, and for what? To fight imaginary conspiracy theories?

Also, the Christian religious right is more likely to turn America into a theocracy. With Muslims at less than one percent of the American population, they don’t have the numbers to do so, even if they all wanted to. In fact, I now understand that as someone who normally wouldn’t support the religious right, by trying so hard to fight the imaginary threat of Islamization, I made myself a useful idiot of the religious right. The same is true for any secularist who supports them out of fear of Jihadists taking over and turning the West into an Islamic theocracy.

Finally, I want to make up for the mistake of supporting the “counter jihadists.” The only way I can clear my conscious now is to actively oppose the people and organizations I once endorsed. I feel a lot of guilt, I did and said a lot of things that I regret now.

LW: Do you have any suggestions for those who still admire bloggers like Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller?

CD: If you want to hear people criticize Islam, look for people who are not bigots, and do not believe in nonsensical conspiracy theories, like “the stealth Jihad.” Make sure they reject the idea that Islam teaches Muslims to lie to promote their faith and that Muslims are more likely to lie than non Muslims. Find people who are at least trying to be objective and who avoid making sweeping generalizations about Muslims.

Also listen to what Muslims have to say about themselves, their politics, their philosophy and their faith. In many cases it will be completely counter to the negative stereotypes. Let me use someone who appears on Loonwatch from time to time as an example.

When I first saw “Dawah Films”  respond to “Thunderf00t,” I saw it only through the eyes of “Thunderf00t.” I thought he was threatening to kill him for criticizing his religion, but when I actually watched other videos he made, and talked to him about it, years later, I realized how radically different his motives actually were. Contrary to the way “Thunderf00t” portrayed him, he supported free speech and he even defended another YouTuber, “ZOMGitscriss,” against death threats from genuine Muslim extremists, when she made some minor criticisms of Islam.

In addition to listening to Muslims and moderate, rational critics of Islam, you should also take an Islamic Studies course at an accredited university, if you have the time. I’m hoping to do that, since contrary to what I used to believe, I don’t know much about Islam, and if I’m going to fight anti-Muslim bigotry, I’m going to have to know more about Islam and its history. If you can’t do that, or even if you can do that, in addition, try to find a few books about Islam written by genuine scholars who studied Islam within academia.

LW: How did you find Loonwatch?

CD: I believe I first heard about Loonwatch on a conservative blog that I used to visit from time to time.

The person behind the blog wrote a story critiquing something you wrote, but I don’t remember if I read it or not, but either way, I didn’t check his sources, so I didn’t find out what Loonwatch was until much later, after I left the “counter Jihad” movement.

After I stopped being an Islamophobe, I wanted to fight anti-Muslim bigotry and I started looking around and I came across Loonwatch and its sister site, SpencerWatch. However, I did notice that “Dawah Films” recommends you guys on his channel, but I can’t remember if I clicked on his link before or after I did a Google search.

LW: Do you regularly visit any other anti-bigotry sites, and if so, which ones?

CD: I really think the Southern Poverty Law Center is an excellent resource, especially if you include their blog “HateWatch.” The anti-Defamation League is also generally a good anti-bigotry organization. I know the American Civil Liberties Union does not specialize in fighting bigotry, but they do a very good job of protecting civil liberties including the civil liberties of minorities. More recently I started exploring Sheila Musaji’s “The American Muslim,” which also does a good job debunking anti Muslim myths as well.

I’d also recommend more than a few Youtube channels that have done a lot to fight irrational hatred and bigotry. I’ve already mentioned Coughlan and Ujames1978Forever’s channels, and would like to add EvoGenVideos and HannibaltheVictor13. EvoGenVideos is a genetics student who sometimes uses his scientific knowledge to debunk racists. HannibaltheVictor13 is an anthropologist who has also debunked racists.

LW: Is there any meaning behind your nickname, Critical Dragon1177, that you’d like to share?

CD: When I realized how wrong I was to support the “counter Jihad” movement, I also realized that I had said some incredibly stupid and often bigoted things that I was ashamed of. Plus I wanted to disassociate from those bigoted anti-Muslim blogs that I used to visit.

In order to do what I wanted to do, I needed a new user name. I made a new years resolution to be a better skeptic.

I realized that the biggest reason that I fell for what Islamophobes were telling me, and continued to believe them for so long, despite the overwhelming evidence against what they were saying was my lack of critical thinking on the matter. My story is really about the danger of not thinking critically, and of giving into your emotions.

That’s where the first part of my user name comes from. I added ‘Dragon’ because I like fantasy, and I love fantasy creatures. The numbers were added just in case someone else had that name.

LW: In conclusion is there anything else you would like to share with the LW audience?

CD: I’ve read a book called A World Without Islam that I highly recommend. It’s by Graham E. Fuller.

According to his biography over at,

“Graham E. Fuller is a former vice chairman of the National Intelligence Council at the CIA, a former senior political scientist at RAND, and a current adjunct professor of history at Simon Fraser University. He is the author of numerous books about the Middle East, including The Future of Political Islam. He has lived and worked in the Muslim world for nearly two decades.”

In his book, “A World without Islam,” Fuller goes a long way to debunk the claim that we are at war with Islam, and that Islam is the cause of terrorism and our problems involving Muslims and Muslim majority societies.

I haven’t read any of his other books, but based on this one, he’s largely anti Robert Spencer, and he has far better credentials than him. In fact if I had read something like this book just after 9/11 instead of going to all those bigoted “counter jihad” sites, I don’t think I would have taken people like Spencer seriously at all.

It was recommended to me by my friend, Klingschor, along with another book by Tamim Ansary called “Destiny Disrupted: A History of the World Through Islamic Eyes,” which I’ve started reading as well.

I also have a friend on Youtube that I would like to introduce, he goes by the user name, Ramio1983. He’s made at least one video fighting anti-Muslim bigotry, and I think he’s working on another one, maybe someone here could help him.

LW: Thank you, CriticalDragon, for sharing your story here on Loonwatch, and for joining the fight against bigotry.

CD: You’re Welcome.  I’m pleased to be able to share my story.  My hope  is that it will help someone else to see the truth.

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  • Quite a lot of fans here and truly biased comments!

    @Sulayman F.

    When I read that you converted to Islam the first thing I thought was that you are overcompensating. You are just following a trend. Nothing else! This trend is why Islamophobia is getting stronger. Good thing Muslim coverts are starting to become skeptical again, basically leaving their new religion if one can say that. It kind of helps keeping Islamophobia in check when new converts become “agnostics” if you want to say it mike that. You caoul have helped muslims more as a skeptic than as a muslim


    You showed again that you lack critical thinking.

    Want to know about Islam? Read the Quran.

    Dawahfilms isn’t a moderate muslim. He might have evolved a bit…being a bit more moderate than he was before, but still.

    I could tell you a lot of things but I’m not in the mood right now!

  • @Donald

    Why don’t you actually read a newspaper, or better yet, you read everything Loon Watch has ever written on anti Muslim bigotry, and read every single one of their sources.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 5:32)

    Well old chap, I for one am not a muslim but I support the right of people to worship as they please.
    I do wonder where you get some of your bizare ideas from . I would stop watching Fox News as it has obviously affected your welbeing
    Have a nice day.

    Sir David

  • Wow! Are all interview comments from Muslims or are there that many Non-Muslims deceived that much? READ the newspapers guys! How many Muslims do you know? How many women do you know that can’t show their head? When you go to Florida, you have ONE-WAY-FREEDOM-OF-SPEECH. You can knock Jesus all you want to, but say any negative about Muhammad, and CAIR will have you in court! Muslim disregard of the 1st Amendment has converted me to a Libertarian!

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  • @Expat in SE Asia

    Thanks. Your very good at writing poetry! I enjoyed what you wrote.

  • Sir David Illuminati membership number 16.69

    No one has said that Mr Dang told lies . But
    a) you over simplify a complex situation in one part of one country that mostly consists of sand
    b) then blame 1.2 billion muslims world wide

    Then you claim that because there are lots of stories somethink must be true

    You asked before if we thought Robert Spencer told lies
    I gave a straight answer and suggested to confirm it you read the verious threads on the site This you obviously have not done
    You are obviously taking lessons from the old fraud I suggest you look for the truth . Wilful stupidity in no defence when you get called a loon .

  • Expat in SE Asia

    ~ Critical Dragon / Literary Dragon

    “I feel a lot of guilt, I did and said a lot of things that I regret now.”

    Speaking politely on behalf of roughly 1.2 billion Muslims, your forgiven for raising the pen sword against us., Repent your bad intentions of heart but don’t bear guilt for actions from a state thick of ignorance.
    As a Muslim, I can tell you that maybe 2-5% of the worse you read against us is probably true. I even sometimes fight my brothers tooth and nail – if warranted.

    You and kin at loonwatch are outnumbered pit warriors in a deadly sandstorm of blistering propaganda, scorpion masses (many unwitting) and western hellfire accusation missiles for those voices heard calling defense in the haze. Islamaphobia’s Primal-stone-axe savage feathered Pict-Queen Gellar heralding her forces over the walls of anyone willing to let her in, and it is Muslims in America haphazard nice-hearted faithful who face an ideological Texas Alamo.

    I was repeatedly shot down by Charles at LGF in his early years, and got banned early, most recently I was simply plain driving long pointed high quality intelligence nails into various vampiric authors at Townhall- and that got me shut out. They can’t handle people who are western and devastate their paradigms whether graciously, politely, forcibly or subtly.

    As a young non-muslim intellectual, when arguing against islamaphobes, you are the young durable gladiator fighting a tri-headed geller-spencer-emerson Hydra-Worm in evershifting dune holes you can’t ever beat.
    My point to you dear intelligent masked gladiator with literary blood on your face is to open your crude western visor and spit out the hate-flies of these parasites you fight and climb out the sanddune to take a watering break with us Muslims, -have an ablution- and just shake away the whole political mess for awhile. It’ll do you good. Take one step to Allah, & Allah will take ten steps to you.

    As a convert I can tell you’ve already graduated in Marifa but nobody’s told you. Banging your bells over the Spencers is not what you need. You’ve already won that battle for now. They will always be there.

    Learn the other side of the coin, master our 730pm prayer, the 99 names, or try fasting a dare-spin, you’d be surprised that Islam applied is the ultimate metaphysical Ferrari taking your life far away. You can connect to ‘the force’ thru it and ‘the force’ will downshift, take your life for a drift ride in shocking speeds.

    You using your brain, free from sin and ‘conductive’ to the light of angels, with good niyat (intention) threw to the wind your previous frivolity and with so little of our core knowledge as weapon, headlong fought a jihad of the pen. Once a spear thrower at us, your now wailing your own right cause, fighting the grand shifty giant clarion monstrosity belching into the world their poisonous gas spew.

    ~ little ole’ you ballsy daring to stand between our willing martyrdom and their nasty tongue of snakes.

    Even the biggest illiterate Afghan warrior might feel gently shy when comparing his gun to your keyboards in defending our millions from the dehumanization initiatives against us.

    Good luck Pit Warrior

    Ikram in KL

  • Jan

    Is this a lie ? Just google BBC – islam – violence, and see how many hits you get. And the BBC is biased in *favour* of islam, but even they can’t ignore events, and are actually starting to use the word *muslim*, instead of ‘Asians’ etc.

    And I don’t fit into any of your rather sweeping categories, I merely watch, read and listen. So, I shouldn’t believe what my senses and intelligence tell me ? I should ignore what I see and read on the news *every day* about muslims/islam ? It’s all lies ? Why ? For what purpose ?

  • Jan

    Just yes ? That’s an argument ? What about Simon Deng, is he an ‘islamophobe’, a racist bigot, and a ‘hater’, because he describes his enslavement at the hands of muslims ? Or is he telling lies in order to make lots of money ?

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  • @Muslim

    Summer Seale is correct, unless you can provide data that shows that a significant number of far right Israelis want to expand Israel, beyond its original borders, rather than just a Biblical Israel, as he put it, you shouldn’t refer to them as expansionists. That description is not accurate.

  • @Summer Seale

    I never said that Most Jews in Isreal held extremist views, although I do know that some Isrealis have extremist views and that is a problem. But You’re right and expansionist isn’t the right word for them, unless someone can find a significant number of Israelis that want to expand Isreal beyond its original borders. You have a valid point, Muslim Heritage might want to be a bit more careful from now on and so should I.

  • Er, make that ” far right loons ” and not ” far right looks ” =)

  • @CriticalDragon1177

    I know he probably wasn’t referring to all Jews or Zionists, but that’s kind of the point he makes about Muslims as well, isn’t it? And it’s also the point that this site is trying to make about Muslims too.

    I know all about the far right looks like Spencer and Horowitz and I’ve ripped them over and over again for it on LGF for years now. But, if you look at single poll in Israel, these sorts of people are in the minority. They don’t represent the majority. Most people here are liberal, left of center, and just want to get on with their lives.

    The whole “expansionist” thing gets to me because it’s patently untrue, as any real evidence will show. But I hear it all the time in most circles and it’s become a sticking point for me to try to point out the nonsense which it is. As I said, even the die-hards aren’t that crazy. They want a biblical Israel. As much as I think that this is misguided and insane, they still aren’t talking about taking Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. They’re just not interested in those places on a philosophical level other than how best it would be to “fight them off”.

    I fully support fighting these people tooth and nail on every level, but I draw the line at using canards, half truths, and myths to win support for the cause. They dig enough of their own holes as it is.

  • Sir David Illuminati membership number 16.69

    read other threads on this site as evidence 😉

  • Jan

    Sir David.

    Why can’t the commenters, and writers at Loonwatch, answer a straightforward question, straightforwardly ?

    I posted a video of Simon Deng speaking. He tells a lot about himself, and his years as a slave, owned by a muslim. An easy way to find out something about him.

    In my reply to Ilisha, I asked a *second* question, does the Christian South enslave people ? Ilisha answered neither, and nor have you.

    I also asked why she designated Jihad Watch as a ‘hate’ site. She didn’t answer, and again, neither have you, except to say that Jihad Watch is a hate site because, well, it’s hateful…

    Is it your contention that what Mr. Spencer reports is all lies ?

  • Sir David Illuminati membership number 16.69

    You did not ask if South Sudan enslaves people You asked ” I would be interested to know if the loonwatchers consider Simon Deng to be an ‘islamophobe’, and a ‘racist bigot’, and a ‘hater.’”
    Now I dont know anything about him other that the situation in Sudan is very complex and it has been so for hundreds of years A simplistic Islam bad attitude Christian good would not get you a GCSE level E .Now they have the curse of oil , to see how bad that can be look at Nigeria .
    Unfortunetly you can judge a person by the company he or she keeps Robert Spencer is an unqualified ( in Islam ) stooge who is paid to run a web site that promotes hatered ; Why dont you look at other threads on this web site about Robert and his twin sister Pam Geller . There are lots, he is hard to miss .
    Let me know when you have read them . Dont worry only the first twenty or so . Then get back to me we can talk more then .
    Toodle pip
    Sir David

  • Jan

    The comment before mine, was posted on the 29th. Today (at least in the UK) is the 29th. Therefore, hardly a ‘stale’ thread.

    You said:

    ”I posted the link to make the point the conflict in Sudan is not exclusively about religion, though it’s often framed that way. It’s more complex than Muslims vs. Christians.”

    I don’t doubt it’s more complex.

    But this doesn’t answer my question as to whether the Christian South enslaves people.

    I would be grateful if you would explain why Jihad Watch is described by you as a ‘hate’ site, and why you consider the reporting of hateful acts, speeches, remarks, is *more* hateful than the aforesaid acts, themselves.

  • Jan


    Thank you for posting my comment.

    I wonder why, instead of answering my question, you riposted with, to my mind, an irrelevant article about oil ? Is it your contention that Simon Deng was enslaved because of oil, and nothing to do with the tenets of islam ? If this is indeed your contention, could you explain why, then, it is only in islamic countries that this slavery takes place ? As far as I know, (but I am willing to be corrected, with evidence) the *Christian* South Sudan does not enslave people.

    I wonder why, also, none of your commentators to date, has chosen to engage with my comment.

    I would also take issue with your designation of Jihad Watch as a ‘hate’ site. Please explain/teach me as to why reporting factual events is ‘hateful’, and not the events themselves.

  • @Garibaldi

    Like I said earlier, I never said the ADL was perfect, and I don’t agree with their position on some things, including “the Ground Zero Mosque.”

  • Just Stopping By

    @Garibaldi: You say that the ADL “released statements like this…” I think you typed too fast: what you quote is not an ADL statement, but is a quote from a news article, as you can see by tracking back through your link to an earlier LW article and from there to a JTA article.

    Also, that linked LW article has a second apparent quote with no source (which is unusual for LW). Any chance that LW keeps some sort of back-up on that?

  • The ADL was late to condemn or highlight the rise in Islamophobia and their response to the “Ground Zero” mosque was unprincipled, saying Muslims shouldn’t build there.

    Also, the ADL certainly has an extreme pro-Israel bias, they have approved of fascists in the past, and released statements like this,
    the Anti-Defamation League, an organization that is quick to spot instances of discrimination, says Lieberman is right to be concerned about apparent acts of disloyalty by Israeli Arabs.

    There is also the tricky business of ADL taking money from Aubrey Chernick, a major funder of Islamophobia.

    We’ve noted that the ADL has condemned Islamophobia since their experience with the “Ground Zero” mosque controversy, but it is still a mixed bag.

    I think Critical we are just going to have to agree to disagree about the ADL.

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