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Open Thread Sunday: JihadWatch Zombie Eric Allen Bell Curious About the “Pros” and “Cons” of Nukin’ Mecca

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Every now and then an anti-Muslim Islamophobe wonders about the exigency of nuking Mecca and or Medina when he really means to want to destroy the sacred cities. To destroy Mecca and Medina has been an ardent desire of Islamophobes for centuries, harking back to at least the Crusades, if not earlier.

In a recent manifestation of such desire we have Jihadwatch zombie Eric Allen Bell (aka Eric Edborg) masking a call to nuke Mecca in a “question.” Who actually wonders about the “pros” and “cons” of “nuking Mecca” except someone who actually wants to do it?

Notice the lovely responses from those in Bell’s little echo chamber of hate. Bell didn’t repudiate any of these gung-ho nuke Mecca advocates. Most people responded by either saying such a move would not be practical or in fact coming to realize that Bell had gone “too far this time.” Many of these comments were deleted by Bell.

A significant chunk of comments actually looked something like the following however:

It seems clear to me that Bell has always had some sort of deep seated hatred and antipathy towards the “other.” One doesn’t wake up suddenly and ponder the merits of nuking the holy city of one of the oldest and largest religions in the world unless there is something deeply wrong with you.

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  • Garibaldi

    This “open thread” has degenerated.

  • Just Stopping By

    @Garibaldi: I understand that BA can be grating, but I think that the suggestion that he is bullying, and certainly to the degree that he might be banned, is a bit much.

    While I recognize that BA can be annoyingly persistent and likes to think that once he presents his/her view, that view should be treated as if it has been proven to be the correct one, I think that those flaws pale beside what else we see here. And by here, I mean that I believe that you have noted much more strident bullying in this very thread, snipped someone in another thread today, and I believe that I saw a comment apparently endorsing genocide posted and then deleted a few hours ago on yet another thread. Compared to that, saying that someone is misrepresenting facts seems quite mild.

    I found a poster who addressed me recently but who I thought was rude, ignorant, and biased. So, I ignored the person. That seemed to work quite well. I suggest that that is a much better response than arguing about bullying.

  • Garibaldi

    With the above said, I don’t hope I came off as too harsh or anything.

    I generally appreciate BA, he has given us valuable tips in the past, and though I disagree with some of his positions and the way he puts them forward, I do hope we can be agreeably disagreeable, though this hasn’t been the case always or at least recently it seems.

  • Garibaldi

    @JSB, I actually edited my comment before viewing yours, but I will point out that I never indicated that BA is the only one who has done this. All of us likely stand accused of such a thing at one point or another. Also as I wrote in the last comment I believe that none of us come from some completely objective view, but the difference is that some actually admit to this while others don’t.

    Lastly, Ilisha, from what I can read here doesn’t have any qualms with truly debating BA except that it seems to be a fruitless endeavor, mostly to do with nitpicking little details that are then described as “mischaracterizations” with other loaded language accompanying such claims. I can sympathize with that, she doesn’t want to waste her time.

  • @Solid Snake
    This is the life we chose fight bigots whether big or small

  • Just Stopping By

    @Ilisha, BA, Garibaldi: Is this a private dispute, or can anyone join in? 🙂

    Since I have had good interactions with each of you, perhaps I can offer some unsolicited advice and then you can all pile on me too.

    @Ilisha: Yes, BA is responding to you a lot, but if you want to see real bullying, look at some of the other commenters on this thread. I don’t think BA has attacked you personally. If you don’t want to respond, just create a standard response like “BA, I don’t enjoy debating with you and I will not do so here. As I noted before, this has nothing to do with the merits, or lack thereof, of your argument.” Then use it as necessary.

    @BA: You do seem to address Ilisha on a number of threads. How about the next time she says something like “X implies Y,” you just say “I don’t think X implies Y for the following reasons…” and don’t mention her name? I doubt that she will object to your arguing a point without addressing her, because no one has a monopoly on discussion topics.

    @Garibaldi: “I have seen many instances in which you skew ‘facts’ or present facts in a one-sided manner.” True, but BA is certainly not the only one who does that, and I don’t think that anyone, and that includes the two of us, should claim that they have never presented facts that favored their position over facts that went the other way. But, your point is still a very good one. How about we all try to set an example on some upcoming argument and actually say, “While I recognize that Fact A goes against my view, I think it is outweighed by Fact B”? Deal?

  • Garibaldi

    Why am I not shocked at the mud-slinging by both @Islam Created the Modern World and @DrM. Seems to be a well worn tradition in the comment sections now.

    Is it too much to ask both of you to act civil?

    You both are irrevocably opposed to one another, very unfortunate.

  • Garibaldi

    The truth seems BA that you don’t seem to accept correction. It seems as if the last debate in the Islamophobia will destroy Israel thread left a sour taste in your mouth and you are not quite satisfied with how it ended.

    Playing the victim card? I think pointing out that it is a bullying tactic to not countenance a differing or dissenting opinion on a subject or that such an opinion renders its proponent as utterly bleak and meritless is not playing the victim card but pointing out a very reasoned descriptor of how another is treating you.

    Also pointing out that one doesn’t want to “quibble” with you is not playing the victim card, it is saying that one doesn’t want to engage in pointless, fruitless and frankly absurd argumentation.

    Zionism is a political ideology. Religious Zionism generally is a movement that provides theological justification for that political ideology, that is different than a religion, no? Unless you mean to say that Rabbi Kook and his friends did not belong to Judaism, but to the new religion of Religious Zionism? See how absurd this can get, and why pick on this minor point, I don’t think you brought any clarity to the matter with your “facts.”

    The point Ilisha seems to be making is ‘equate Islam with other religions in the religious category, like Judaism.’

    I understand why you select certain facts over others, to bolster your argument, but please don’t pretend that you are describing an objective position or coming from an objective point and everyone else is not. It is riddled with subjectivity, just like everyone’s arguments are, including mine, at least we all can admit to as much?

    Edited by Garibaldi @10:02, 8/27/12

  • DrM

    ”Islam created the modern world” aka BMD aka Rachel Tabachnick Rocks aka Muslim Zionists aka 1001 schizo trolls,

    Still desperately flapping your back cheeks, slimy israeli troll? Hurt I demolished your latest wad of pro-israeli “high tech propaganda” propaganda? Try coming up with something remotely original, you mentally unstable hasbaRAT(is there any other kind?). You won’t address the charges against you know full well they are all true, all the while trying to link me to Nazis whom I consider nothing short of scum(like you) and blogged against. I’ve kicked your ass so many times I’ve lost count. Your repetitive cut and paste antics convince no one, it’s clear you spend far too much time online(as do many israeli propagandists). What’s the matter? Bored? Don’t have Palestinian school children to shoot up today? Or perhaps the US welfare check is late in the mail? Your calls for pro-israeli censorship is yet another example of your true identity. Too bad for you it’s NOT going to happen. Rest assured, I’ll crush your lying Zionist behind any and every time it rears its ugly end, three years and counting. The satanic ideology of Zionism will be exposed and rubbished to the trash can of history, you can kick and scream all you want but it won’t make the least bit of difference.

    Am I the poster “broke”? No. See, unlike you I only post under one name. Long time posters know this. Everybody knows you’re NOT a Muslim, and pathological Zionist liar. But since you brought it up, how about taking me up on the old challenge of getting both our IP addresses checked to see who’s playing sock puppet here. Hmm?
    Come on Nazi, put up or shut up.

    In the mean time, for those who have the time to waste, check out BMD’s failed attempt and utter humiliation at the hands of multiple posters including myself, when she tried to justify the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people, plus other nonsense. It is a case study in the mental pathology of Zionism :

    http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/09/the-connection-between-zionism-and-organized-islamophobia-the-facts/

  • Common Sense

    Of course, all they care about is the damage that might be done to Israel. They don’t care even in the slightest bit about the innocent women and children who live in those areas. How disgusting.

  • Ilisha, I don’t want to get into a quarrel with you, but I have to disagree here, Steve above called out DrM for his bigotry and you said he shouldn’t take sides. I however, didn’t call him anything he is not. DrM’s comments are lies and bigotry.

    .

    His/Khusboo’s (ps check IP, they’re probably the same) is that you can’t be a Muslim and a Zionist. Apparently they never look in the Quran. But even if they don’t, and bearing in mind DrM gets his moral guidance from Christian Supremacist Jew hating nazi’s, why doesn’t she/he apply the same logic to Pakistan? Pakistan has been responsible for genocide, and the current terrorism which she blames on Obama’s drones, was there long before 9/11 even.

    According to this logic DrM/Khusboo is not a Muslim because they support Pakistan.

    You can’t permit bigotry like this here. Anti Zionist loons (as opposed to reasoned critics of Israel) who promote consipracies, then call anyone who calls them out, as being non Muslim, should be off limits, because it’s hate speech. Steve was right above, though I may disagree with him on other things,

    I think the reason kushboo/DrM (assuming they’re the same) do this is so pakistan can get a free pass and israel blamed for pakistans sins. Kill two birds with one stone, but I may be wrong here if they’re not one and the same.

  • Believing Atheist

    @llisha,

    I have no intention of quibbling with. But why play the victim card again and again? Either I am bullying you, or quibbling with you, etc., the right phrase is: I am correcting you.

    When someone refutes your claims you get angry. Lighten up, you have a right to your opinion but not your facts.

  • Believing Atheist

    @llisha,

    You are misrepresenting facts again. Zionism can be a religion. There is a concept called religious Zionism:

    Religious Zionism can be traced to the “augurers of Zion” (Mevasrei Zion, precursors of Hibbat Zion), including Rabbis Yehudah Alkalai, Zvi Kalischer, Shmuel Mohilever, and Naftali Zvi Yehudah Berlin. Based on a fusion of Jewish religion and nationhood, it aims to restore not only Jewish political freedom but also Jewish religion in the light of the Torah and its commandments. For Religious Zionism, Judaism based on the commandments is a sine qua non for Jewish national life in the homeland.
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/Religious_Zionism.html

    So it is a fusion of religion and nationhood.

  • DrMoron,

    Nice try at diversion but no cigar, liar. What you posted above has nothing to do with what you inferred above. Bring the link, between Eric Allen Bell, the Isreali training of US police, and why they would cover for him.

    I’m waiting…by the way, are you ‘broke’? And you sound suspiciously like Khusboo too, she too practices takfir and pretends that you can’t be pro Israel and Muslim, and blames others for Pakistans extremists,

    Ilisha

    As for hate speech, I believe someone called DrM a “Nazi scum loving freak.” Maybe you want to take sides and wade into that swamp, but I don’t. Garibaldi will be along at some point, and he can handle such squabbles.

    Ilisha, if you want to prevent ‘insults’ then do so uniformly. Do not pick and choose whom you apply nasty name censorship to. DrM did promote Chris Moores nazi site at his own blog. What do you call such a person if not what I said above? I’ve seen you approve worse from people like Mr Pork, and other Islamophboes here.

    Talking about insults, it’s curious that both Khusboo and DrM begin their posts by pretending that a Zionist cannot be a Muslim. That is an insult no? Takfeer? Apply your rules fairly.

    Also, about taking the thread off topic, DrM is doing what he does at this own blog. Bring a whole lot of anecedotal ‘evidence’ and pretend it is linked to and is proof of what he is saying.

    Read what he posted above, it’s all a pathetic attempt to pretend that Eric Bell, will be excused for his actions by the US police because they are trained by Israel.

    So is Loon Watch a place to promote consipiracies? Either that or you should censor comments and not allow off topic consiparices, and anti Zionist loons.

    It’s not being ‘insulting’, because I don’t come here to listen to inferirorty complexed people like DrM air his hate hate against Israel, which is also a lie, because like Chris Moore, the nazi he promoted at his own blog, he covers his jew hate under the banner of ‘israel hate’.

  • Nabeel

    What concerns me is that this idea has even been floated by at least one elected politician (Tom Tancredo).

  • Garibaldi

    @livingengine,

    I rarely do this, but bwahahahaha. Thank you for livening up my day with that hilarious video!

  • Shango

    Apparently, the individual that wrote this article is uninformed and needs help with understanding the status of the world as it is today. There are countless ways to refute his ignorance and those who share his views as seen by the insightful responses and comments posted on the website. Hopefully his hate will stay within his circle of influence.

  • DrM

    ”Islam created the modern world” aka BMD aka Muslim Zionists aka 1001 schizo trolls said

    “DrM, come with something new. You’re pathetic”

    Look who’s foaming at the mouth, the same spineless troll who’s been repeating herself like a broken record for the last 3 years on this site, desperately doing damage control for “israel” under a plethora of different aliases. It’s very simple BMD, you keep reposting the same old lies, and I’ll keep reposting the same old rebuttals which made run off with your tail between your legs. You must enjoy internet sadomasochism because you ask to get humiliated by me so often.
    How pathetic do you hasbaRAT bottom feeders have to be to go forums pretending to be Muslims and others, shilling for the terrorist state of israel? The answer is : very much so. Israeli “achievements”? LOL Yet another flea bitten myth repeated by the moronic hasbaRATS. Using your utterly retarded way of thinking we should all start praising the innovations of Nazi Germany, ignoring all their crimes against humanity. Of course the reality is that “israel” is a failed state whose entire miserable existence is the result of continued American and western aid. American companies there don’t count. Even if they “invent” something how does that excuse all their crimes? They would fold like a cheap deck of cards if the money pipeline from the West were shut off. The Indians might as well claim they invented modern telecommunications because of all American outsourcing there.

    But israel should be given credit for the following :

    1. The first aircraft hijacking was carried out by Israel in 1954 against a Syrian civilian airliner.

    2. Grenades in cafes: first used by Zionists against Palestinians in Jerusalem on 17 March 1937.

    3. Delayed-action, electrically timed mines in crowded marketplaces: first used by Zionists against Palestinians in Haifa on 6 July 1938.

    4. Blowing up a ship with its civilian passengers still on board: first carried out by Zionists in Haifa on 25 November 1940. The Zionists did not hesitate to blow up their own people in protest at the British policy of restricting Jewish immigration to Palestine. The ship, Patria, was carrying 1,700 Jewish immigrants.

    5. Assassination of government officials: first carried out by the Zionists against the British in Cairo, when on 6 November 1944 Lord Moyne was assassinated by the Stern Gang. Yitzhak Shamir, a member of the Irgun and later leader of the Stern Gang and Israeli prime minister, was behind the plan.

    6. Use of hostages as a means of putting pressure on a government: first used by the Zionists against the British in Tel Aviv on 18 June 1946.

    7. Blowing up of government offices with their civilian employees and visitors: first carried out by the Zionists against the British in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946. The toll was 91 Britons killed and 46 wounded in the KingDavidHotel. Menachim Begin, who masterminded and carried out the attack and later became Israeli prime minister, admitted that the massacre was coordinated with and carried out under the instruction of the Haganah Zionist gang.

    8. Booby-trapped suitcases: first used by the Zionists against the British Embassy in Rome on 13 October 1946.

    9. Booby-trapped cars in civilian areas: first used by the Zionists against the British in Sarafand (east of Jaffa) on 5 December 1946.

    10. Beating of hostages: first used by the Zionists against the British in Tel Aviv, Netanya and Rishon on 29 December 1946.

    11. Letter bombs sent to politicians: first used by the Zionists against Britain when 20 letter bombs were sent from Italy to London between 4 and 6 June 1947.

    12. Murder of hostages as a reprisal for government actions: first used by the Zionists against the British in the Netanya area on 29 July 1947.

    13. Postal parcel bombs: first used by the Zionists against the British in London on 3 September 1947.

    14. The massacre of Qibya, northwest of Jerusalem, was carried out by Unit 101, under the command of Ariel Sharon on Wednesday 14 October 1953. The attack was the bloodiest and most brutal Zionist crimes since the infamous Deir Yassin massacre. Forty-two houses as well as a school and a mosque were dynamited over their inhabitants. Seventy-five women, men and children were killed.
    In 1950-1951, Israeli agents were dispatched to Iraq where they tossed hand grenades into the crowded Massauda Shem-Tov synagogue, causing numerous deaths, in order to blame it on the Iraqis and encourage reluctant Iraqi Jews to emigrate to Israel.
    Zionist terror did not spare Jews. In 1940, Menachem Begin’s Irgun Zwei Leumi terrorist gang bombed the ship Patria in Haifa harbor, killing 240 Jewish refugees, so as to put the blame on the British for political gain.

    And I invite you BMD yet again to deny that you support and justify the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. I’ll be more then happy to post the evidence. Care to call my bluff?

  • Xithurel

    None of you said what must be said:

    The idea that ANY place is so easily picked out for NUCLEAR strike is an indication that we as a species have failed. The very notion thrown out as easily as one would throw out an idea of an amusement park – is one of the most horrific developments of our time. All who even entertained the idea privately in their minds are pathologically insane and need to be seriously taken as threats to humanity. Posterity will judge all of us harshly and history will write this – as the age of retrogression and degeneration.

    The world itself is suffering from dementia. Islam isn’t the cause of these mindsets, it is the scapegoat. Communism was the scapegoat and that mindset led to the single more dangerous time in all human history – and here we are again ENTERTAINING the idea!

    Bloody bastards.

  • Steve

    “Thanks for restating essentially the same thing I already said.”

    You didn’t, you equated it with palestinian nationalism. Palestinian isn’t a religion.

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