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EDL vows to return to Cambridge in bigger numbers

By on February 25, 2013 in Loon-at-large

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EDL vows to return to Cambridge in bigger numbers

The English Defence League has vowed to return to Cambridge in bigger numbers – despite a low turnout and several arrests.

Its rally on Christ’s Pieces on Saturday ended early after only about 40 members turned up. More than 400 officers were drafted in to police them and a counter-demonstration by Cambridge Unite Against Fascism which had more than 500 people in its ranks, according to police.

EDL members said they were furious, claiming they were “penned in” during attempts to protest against a planned mosque in Mill Road. Scores of police surrounded the EDL protesters who were behind fences next to Drummer Street bus station.

EDL members were heckled by passers-by and began to fight among themselves as their stewards tried to eject a man who had a “banned” Nazi banner. When counter-protesters marched past, with the two groups separated by a police “no-go zone”, one EDL member broke through but was quickly stopped by police.

A spokesman for the group’s East Anglia Division told the News: “We are not thugs or extremists. We are the silent majority but we have been penned in like pigs while the police allow the lefties to march through the city.

“But we will be back in bigger numbers. The leaders are planning a national protest here in Cambridge. All we want to do is have a peaceful protest against a mosque that is not in keeping and will cause no end of traffic problems as it holds 1,000 but has just 80 parking spaces. We are not against Muslims. We are anti-Islam.”

Tourist Vic Synott, 50, of Ayr, Scotland, came across the EDL chanting “we are the famous EDL”. He said: “They are just showing themselves up by their behaviour. They are a disgrace.”

EDL speakers hit out at MEP Richard Howitt for branding them “extremists”.

The Euro MP told the counter-marchers the party had sent him a note “adorned with Nazi swastikas” and accusing him of being “a traitor to civilisation and democracy”. He added: “There is only one group that represents everything in our society which is uncivilised and undemocratic. The traitors to Britain’s traditions of tolerance, fairness and respect – the true traitors – are the EDL themselves. They are a joke.”

Cambridge News, 25 February 2013

As you can see from the YouTube link, the so-called Nazi banner featured the word “ISLAM” with the letter “S” replaced by a swastika. The individual holding it shouted that “Islam is fascism – anti-democratic, misogynistic, anti-gay”, while his drunken supporters chanted “stick your fucking Islam up your arse”. However other EDL members, who were presumably too thick to understand the message behind the banner, attacked him on the basis that he had broken the EDL’s ban on the public display of Nazi symbols.

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    • Leftwing_Muslim_Alliance

      Disney isnt real either . Sorry to totally spoil your day Bambi was never alive . unfortunetly George Bush is real . Sir David

    • Tanveer Khan

      I..I’ve been brainwashed? By Hollywood?! *Slumps onto chair* That is not good. I shall have to be extremely vigilant from now on. Ccowboys took part in the persecution of NAs? I had always thought they came after The Incidents and were just postmen.

    • Leftwing_Muslim_Alliance

      Tanveer Oh dear the myth of the west – made in Hollywood . The truth much sadder ask any Native American . Sir David

    • Tanveer Khan

      Oh the Wild West, how i love it. I especially love the cowboy in Night at the Museum

    • Sam Seed

      Hello Tanveer, indeed I do have reservations of guns in the wrong hands are potential murder weapons. Guns should be the sole property of the authorities. Take the alarming number of people that have been killed by guns in the US as an example of why guns should not be given out like candy.

      The reason I believe the Americans have a long infatuation with guns is its Wild West history. .

    • Leftwing_Muslim_Alliance

      I suspect free beer is how they got the 40 to turn up in the first place . Sir David

    • Tanveer Khan

      You really dont like guns do you Mr Sam? Can’t say I blame you. Guns should stay in the army and the police although look at all the havoc the army has caused. I believe that religious people like me would find it very difficult to justify wars because I think it’s near impossible to wage a just war in this day and age which I think has luckily dissuaded alot of religious people from owning weapons (that’s not to say that non religious people also dont like guns but im talking about it from a religious perspective).

      Have I changed topic again? I dont think I have.

    • Sam Seed

      Guns claim lives and only lead to more bloodshed so please keep out the guns.

    • Sam Seed

      They’ll have to treat them to a free pub lunch and beer to get such a high turn out methinks.

    • Talking_fish_head

      i doubt they can organize their calendars much less a march. I can see them getting drunk and beating each other looking at their piss poor effort in Brighton, im not afraid, in fact i would like to get a chair and have some popcorn, and just laugh at these morons

    • Leftwing_Muslim_Alliance

      We are not thugs or extremists. We are the silent majority Wrong on all three counts , well done You are thugs You are extremists and you make a lot of noise I doubt you will get more than 40 people to a future demonstration mainly because I doubt you can count that high Sir David

  • mindy1

    Yah know, I bet if I put the collective brainpower of these people together, it would be less than that of a spider monkey

Caught on tape: California University Lecturer Smears Student Activists as anti-Semites with Ties To Terrorists

By on February 22, 2013 in Loon Rabbis, Loon-at-large

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Is it a coincidence that Rossman-Benjamin gave her speech smearing student activists as being “anti-Semites with ties to terrorists” at Ahavath Torah Congregation, a synagogue led by the Islamophobic Rabbi Jonathan Hausman? The same synagogue has given a platform to the wild eyed bigot Pamela Geller, the anti-Muslim neo-Fascist Dutch politician Geert Wilders, as well as Wafa Sultan, who has called for “nuking and crushing” Muslims.

Caught on tape: California university lecturer smears student activists as anti-Semites with ties to terrorists

by Alex Kane (MondoWeiss)

Student activists in California have exposed inflammatory remarks made by a university lecturer who is the head of an Israel lobby group that tries to pressure college administrations and state officials into investigating what the lecturer calls anti-Semitism. Activists have started a petition calling on the University of California President to condemn the statements made last year by Tammi Rossman-Benjamin, a Hebrew lecturer at the University of California, Santa Cruz (UCSC). The remarks were only recently publicized after students discovered them through a YouTube video of Rossman-Benjamin’s remarks.

Last June, Rossman-Benjamin gave a presentation on what she calls “campus anti-Semitism” at the Ahavath Torah Congregation in Stoughton, Massachusetts. She unleashed vitriolic comments smearing student activists who work for Palestinian rights as anti-Semites with ties to terrorist organizations, though she did not back up her statements with evidence. Rossman-Benjamin is the head of the AMCHA Initiative, a Zionist pressure group that targets professors and student groups for alleged anti-Semitism, though the actions AMCHA goes after are activism for Palestinian rights.

“They are generally motivated by very strong religious and political conditions–they have a fire in their belly. They come to the university, many of them are foreign students, who come from cultures and countries where anti-Semitism is how they think about the world,” said Rossman-Benjamin, referring to students involved with the Muslim Students Association and Students for Justice in Palestine. “These student groups often have strong ties to international campaigns to demonize and delegitimize Israel as well as to organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood…[They] have ties to terrorist organizations.” Later in her speech, Rossman-Benjamin also claims to have met with state legislators in California.

In response to Rossman-Benjamin’s remarks, activists from UCSC Committee for Justice in Palestine have started a petition that has so far garnered over 850 signatures. They are calling on the University of California President to “take a clear stand against hate speech directed at marginalized communities, and distance itself from extremists like Tammi Benjamin and the Amcha Initiative that work to smear and silence student human rights campaigners.”

So far, the University of California President’s Office has stayed silent. In an e-mail response to an inquiry from Mondoweiss, Shelly Meron, a media specialist with the president’s office, wrote: “We have no comment on this.”

Rossman-Benjamin did not return an e-mail and a phone message for comment on this story by the time of publication.

The petition from the UCSC Committee for Justice in Palestine also states that Rossman-Benjamin’s remarks “reflect the worst stereotypes and slurs leveled at Arab and Muslim communities in the post-9/11 era. They have absolutely no place in a university environment and it is completely unacceptable for a University of California lecturer to be making them, especially about students.”

Multiple students have also filed formal complaints with the University of Santa Cruz’s Hate/Bias Response Team. A school official told one student activist who preferred to go unnamed that they will look into the complaint and may investigate it and refer it to higher offices and take corrective action if appropriate.

Rachel Roberts, civil rights coordinator for the Council on American Islamic Relations in San Francisco, condemned the statements from the Hebrew lecturer in an interview.

“Her comments are an example of the ways in which Muslim students and Arab students and students organizing for Palestine are disparaged in a way that’s completely unfair to them. I personally don’t see how any reasonable individual could possibly believe that our students have ties to terrorist organizations overseas,” she said. “It’s ridiculous, it’s an attempt to sow fear.” Roberts’ organization has been working in coalition with other social justice groups to fight back against smears from legislators and others in California that conflate solidarity with Palestinians with anti-Semitism.

Other people who signed the petition, including alumni and former professors from the UC system, have echoed the student activists’ condemnation of Rossman-Benjamin. “I have experienced firsthand the intimidation tactics and attempts to silence dissent on Israel on the UCSC campus,” wrote Lisa Nessan, who described herself as a “Jewish UCSC alumna (’00) and a former Santa Cruz Hillel Foundation employee.”

Nessan went on to write that “Tammi Benjamin’s racist and islamophobic remarks are the antithesis of the type of tolerance and diversity that is expected on a University of California campus.” Robert Weil, who described himself as a “retired Visiting Assistant Professor, Lecturer and Union Organizer on the UC Santa Cruz campus,” wrote that he “can attest directly to the chilling effect that Tammi Rossman-Benjamin has had on those of us who hold critical views of Israeli policies and who support the struggle of the Palestinian people. She is a disgrace and a threat to the spirit of free academic debate and the right of all citizens–on and off campus–to express their ideas without intimidation.”

The activists’ petition–and the video that sparked it–shines a light on the tactics of Rossman-Benjamin. Through her organization, the AMCHA Initative, Rossman-Benjamin has targeted professors who show solidarity with Palestinians and who support the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) call. Her modus operandi is to conflate support for Palestinian human rights and strong criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism.

As Mondoweiss has reported, Rossman-Benjamin was behind a 2011 federal complaint against the University of California at Santa Cruz. The complaint charged that the university ignored concerns that a hostile environment for Jewish students was being created on campus due to criticism of Israel. The U.S. Department of Education took up the Title VI complaint, and continues to investigate, according to the student activists’ petition. Rossman-Benjamin also unsuccessfully tried to get the California State University system to distance itself from a tour on campuses that featured Israeli professor Ilan Pappe. Her attempts to get state officials to investigate a professor who supports the BDS call also failed.

Still, activists say the remarks from a lecturer employed by the University of California is a glaring example of a hostile climate on campus when it comes to organizing for Palestinian rights. Last year, the California state legislature passed a bill that conflated activism and the BDS movement with anti-Semitism and also claimed that student activists had ties to terrorist organizations–similar rhetoric to what Rossman-Benjamin used at her Massachusetts appearance. That state legislation also applauded the release of a “campus climate” report on Jewish students in California that has been criticized for suggesting things that would impose restrictions on Palestine solidarity activism.

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    • Kyle Renner

      oh wait.. I just looked at your profile and I saw the exact brain dead statements that this rossman-benjamin POS churns out. Lawl.

    • Kyle Renner

      well it’s kind of hard to debate someone who repeats, parrot-like, “You are anti semitic! There are no “Palestinians”! Israel is “the light”!” Yeah, real rational “debating” there.

    • Nur Alia binti Ahmad

      Ok…. How is it ‘anti Semitic’ to critisize the regime of Israel and thier polices toward other people? How is it ‘anti Semetic to speak for oppressed people that are…well Semetic people? Just asking.

    • mindy1

      Colleges should be bastions of freedom, why try to suppress debate? Real debate should not be confused with anti semitism

    • rufat_f

      Great investigation by CNN on fraud Walid Shoebat: rookie

JihadWatch Zombie Eric Allen Bell Returns and Adds Antisemitism to the Islamophobia

By on February 20, 2013 in Feature, Loon People
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The “Glazov gangbangers”

by Garibaldi

Eric Allen Bell (aka Eric Edborg), who has been mostly silent over the past few months, (no doubt taking a “sabbatical” from his self-proclaimed “jihad against jihad” again), returned to the looniverse of hatemongering and kooky conspiracy theories.

This time Bell is relishing in antisemitism and putting forward ideas picked straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Bell got into it with some of his assumedly now “former” Facebook followers. Bell tells “Clark Banner” that he is just speaking truth to power, exposing the social taboo surrounding “Jewish control of banking and media,”

EAB jew conspiracy #1

Bell clearly doesn’t know what conspiracy theories are either, they are not simply “theories without evidence.” What he is referring to is just one category of the obvious phony and fake conspiracies that exist. Usually conspiracy theories are based on some evidence, though such evidence varies in degree of reliability, factualness and the way it is framed and contextualized to create a narrative.

Bell also believes the Oscars are part of a Jewish supremacist conspiracy,

EAB jew conspiracy #3

“Erick Morgan” used to “look up to” the old bigot Eric Allen Bell when he railed against Muslims being intellectually and genetically inferior and called for the nuking of Muslim holy places but now he finds Bell repulsive:

EAB jew conspiracy #4

This protege of Rev. Deacon Robert Spencer has exposed himself to have some very kooky and racist beliefs not only about people of Muslim background and the religion of Islam but also about Jews and Judaism. Will we hear swift condemnations from Rev. Deacon Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller who hailed Bell as a former “liberal” who saw the light of “Counterjihad?” Aren’t they embarrassed and ashamed of supporting and allying with someone who supports this vile antisemitic nonsense?

Don’t hold your breathe. They will likely continue their strategy of pretending such views aren’t held by their friend.

Related:

–Eric Allen Bell discovers that ‘Jewish supremacists’ control the media and the banks

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    • Solid Snake

      What if she does love, respect, or admire Jews? What are you basing your doubts on? The fact that she is a Muslim? Also, in some languages the term Hebrews is used in place of the word Jews. Sometimes it is considered derogatory but I am pretty sure Nur didn’t know that (I didn’t know that myself until this thread made me search it up).

    • Sam Seed

      ‘Israel-bashing’ does not equal ‘Jew-bashing’.

    • Just_Stopping_By

      Excellent point, Garibaldi! Conflating attacks on Israel and some kind of anti-Semitism is like conflating attacks on a Muslim-majority nation and some kind of Islamophobia.

    • It would probably blow his mind that some of us not only support a single state solution, but that Israeli policy we might argue over does not inherently make us supporters of the authoritarian shit heads that rule nations around the country in question.

    • Leftwing_Muslim_Alliance

      I agree sad but so common . I think its the real conspiracy . Isreal is a political body and lobby . There are lots of people critical of Isreal who live in Isreal , they are called voters and recently voted against the policies of the Isreali govt, logically Clif Pinto must think they are all antisemites too . How about it cliff ? Sir David

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An “Islamic Antichrist?” Joel Richardson Still Predicting A Muslim Satanic Figure

By on February 18, 2013 in Loon Pastors, Loon-at-large

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That Joel Richardson is predicting a Muslim anti-Christ isn’t anything new. Richardson did, after all, publish a work in 2006 with the title, Anti-Christ: Islam’s Awaited Messiah; the book received an enthusiastic blurb on its front cover by none other than Rev. Deacon Robert Spencer himself,

“A fascinating and provocative work. A must read for priests and pastors, students and lay-readers everywhere.”

An Islamic Antichrist? Joel Richardson Predicts A Muslim Satanic Figure

(RNS) Every age needs an Antichrist.

Protestant Reformers picked the papacy as their embodiment of evil. American colonists chose King George III and some Cold War Christians suspected the Soviet Union was satanically led.

Now, amid threats of Islamic terrorism, a nuclear-armed Iran and tumult across the Middle East, a growing group of American evangelicals say the Antichrist will be Muslim.

“I understand that I’m going to be viewed as a fringe, apocalyptic Christian,” said Joel Richardson, author of several books predicting an Islamic Antichrist. “But I fully own the idea that the Antichrist will be a Muslim and will come out of the Muslim world.”

These days, even the fringe has a faithful following. On websites, television programs, conferences and books, conservative Christians like Richardson warn that a Muslim Antichrist will lead army to arise and attack Israel, in fulfillment of the biblical prophets and the Book of Revelation.

From there, they say, it’s a short road to Armageddon.

“Today, we’re seeing the beginning signs of that exact prophecy coming to pass,” warns Richardson.

Scholars say the arrival of Islamic Antichrist prophecies was, well, predictable.

“I think the shift to Islam was just waiting to happen,” said Glenn Shuck, an assistant professor of religion at Williams College who has studied evangelicals’ views on the apocalypse.

A certain kind of Christian, sometimes dubbed “armchair apocalyptists” or “newspaper exegetes,” seems especially inclined to cast their foes as agents of the Archenemy. The Antichrist they identify, scholars say, often reflects the era’s deepest anxieties.

For many modern Christian apocalyptists, fears of big government are embodied in an Antichrist who will unite nation-states in a totalitarian One World Order.

Since 9/11, though, Islamist terrorism has ascended as a new threat, and lept from the front pages to apocalyptic thrillers like the “Left Behind” series and nonfiction books such as Richardson’s “Mideast Beast” and “Islamic Antichrist.”

Richardson, a 40-year-old decorative painter from Missouri who jokingly refers to his writings as “an expensive hobby,” presents his prophecies as straightforward interpretations of the Bible, including the Book of Revelation.

Read the rest…

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    • Tanveer Khan

      Perfect. Hehe

    • golden izanagi

      REPENT FOR HIS CALIBRATIONS WILL LEAD THE UNIVERSE TO SALVATION!

    • Kirook

      You actually can recruit them; one joins your party in Mass Effect 2 and if you make the right choices, they can help you in the final battle of Mass Effect 3.

    • Kirook

      Wait. Commander Shepard is the Antichrist! Think about it! He a) doesn’t seem to believe in Jesus, he never mentions anything like that at all, b) claims to be a god (“You can fight like a krogan, run like a leopard but you’ll never be better than Commander Shepard!”) and c) performs great miracles (Surviving the Elysian Blitz as a War Hero, destroying Sovereign, defeating the Collectors and so on) These are the biblical warning signs for the Antichrist! REPENT, AND WORSHIP GARRUS VAKARIAN!

    • Kirook

      Oh, in the Mass Effect ‘verse lots of people do. There’s an in-universe political party called Terra Firma that basically bases its entire existence around anti-alien bigotry (kind of like how the Tea Party bases itself around hating Muslims, hating gays, hating communists, hating liberals, hating liberals, hating liberals…) and one of your party members has some anti-alien sentiment herself–though it’s worth noting that even she considers Terra Firma far out of line. Neither my character nor I myself bear any such sentiments (except maybe against the Reapers, but then their name is fairly descriptive), and in fact, I keep an alien in my squad almost all the time. Why? Because she can create black holes WITH HER MIND!

    • Sam Seed

      PS4 reveal event last night watched it and liked it. Go Sony!

    • Tanveer Khan

      Interesting Emir SS. If we play our cards right I believe we will be able to bring them under the supremacy of izlam

    • Solid Snake

      The Geth and Krogans are two different factions/races in the Mass Effect Universe. Geth are robots created by another race, the Quarians, for labor and for war. The Geth soon rebelled against the Quarians. Generally the Geth operate using the “Hive mind”. A single Geth “unit” is about as intelligent as an animal or a bit better, but when Geth are in close proximity of each other, they are able to pool their individual resources and achieve superhuman intelligence. The more Geth there are in a specific area the smarter they are. There are both evil and good Geth “units”. As for the Krogans, they are a race of reptilian like beings who are built for war. They live on a harsh desert like planet crawling with dangerous creatures. Due to their violent nature the Krogans were used by a more advanced race, the Salarians, to fight a war against another race, the Rachni. After the war, the Krogans began expanding and became a danger to the galaxy. Another race, the Turians, created a ‘genophage’ that would make most of the Krogan females infertile causing the birthrate and ,subsequently, the population of the Krogan to decline. Apologies for the long and off-topic post.

    • Leftwing_Muslim_Alliance

      I thought flying kites was your job ?

    • Talking_fish_head

      I think this guy is better as the Antichrist

      http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lich_(character)

      think about it, a guy born from nuclear war, is an undead fiend , and his goal in life is the extinction of all life in the universe (yes I watch cartoons, sue me)

    • I’m just waiting for humans to come to their senses and stop this childish and primitive behavior. I’m going to be waiting a very long time I fear….

    • Tanveer Khan

      What are Geths and Krogans?

    • Tanveer Khan

      Dajjal-anti christ

    • Leftwing_Muslim_Alliance

      I had a phone call from Liverpool as they needed a left winger I turned them down as they could not afford my wage demands Sir David

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Kookie Pastor Pat Robertson Babbles About ‘Demonic Islam’

By on February 15, 2013 in Loon Pastors

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Poor Pastor Pat, everywhere he goes he sees devils and evil. (h/t: JD, KP)

Pat Robertson Claims Islam Is ‘Demonic’ And ‘Not A Religion’ But An Economic System (VIDEO)

(Huffington Post)

Controversial conservative Christian Pat Robertson doubled down Tuesday on claims that Islam is not a religion.

According to Right Wing Watch, Robertson, an elder statesman of the evangelical movement, made the inflammatory claim during an episode of his TV program, “The 700 Club.”

“Every time you look up — these are angry people, it’s almost like it’s demonic that is driving them to kill and to maim and to destroy and to blow themselves up,” Robertson said of Islam. “It’s a religion of chaos.”

He went on to say, “I hardly think to call it a religion, it’s more of — well, it’s an economic and political system with a religious veneer.”

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    • syed ali

      oh Pat the difference between you and me Is that I do not claim to be “holier than thou”

    • Géji

      I think what “xmax65” is trying to mean is that most anti-Muslim Islamophobes (especially the right-winger fundamentalist Christians, but they’re not the only ones) are also mostly Anti-Jew Judeophobes as well. And giving the historical facts, historically in the minds of the Euro-American anti-Other bigots, specially on the European side, the Jew and the Muslim identities have always been easily interchangeable. Except that now since its easier to bash the Muslim than the Jew (openly wise at least) they do their best to hide their contempt for Jew to unleash all their hate and frustration they have for both groups solely on the Muslim.

    • Talking_fish_head

      and signed 99.999999% of the Human Race

    • mindy1

      Dear Pat, please stop speaking for me: I do not care what people call me, as long as they believe Signed God

    • I’m certain he did, but I can’t remember when, or what exactly was said. I didn’t watch his show much even during my most conservative phase. I was never really into his brand of Christianity.

    • Heinz Catsup

      Hasn’t he said this a number of times previous? I even remember Walid Shoebat appearing one time on his show.

    • Hopefully a lot of them have an odd sense of humor and are just doing it for LOLs.

    • Unfortunately some people still do believe just about everything Pat Robertson says.

    • Crow

      And rev pat keeps fleecing them out of their social security checks. he eats cavier, they eat cat food.

    • Crow

      Is there ever a time when “Christian” pat Robertson didn’t babble?

    • Talking_fish_head

      i said it once and i’ll say it again, If people can harness Human Stupidity as a power source, it would power the entire world for generations.

      this guy belongs in the mad house along with Geller and Wilders. actually his comments are so stupid its hilarious

    • xmax65

      lol – silly pat robinson’s always confusing islamists, with judaists . he sure is getting senile!

    • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

      Apparently a sizable portion of those who watch the 700 Club because they keep tuning in.

    • Talking_fish_head

      Do people still believe this Lunatic?

New Zealand First MP: Ban Muslims From Flights

By on February 12, 2013 in Loon Politics

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(h/t: Sabirah)

NZ First MP: Ban Muslims from flights

By Kurt Bayer KurtBayerAPNZ , Matthew Theunissen

New Zealand First MP Richard Prosser has spoken out in defence of his “Wogistan” rant which has been slammed as racist by Muslim leaders and politicians.

In a column for Investigate Magazine, the Waimakariri list MP suggested young Muslims shouldn’t be allowed to travel on Western airlines because ‘most terrorists are Muslims”.

He accepted that most Muslims are not terrorists, but said it’s “equally undeniable” that “most terrorists are Muslims”.

“If you are a young male, aged between say about 19 and about 35, and you’re a Muslim, or you look like a Muslim, or you come from a Muslim country, then you are not welcome to travel on any of the West’s airlines,” he wrote.

Prime Minister John Key was “appalled” by the comments, while the New Zealand Muslim Association called them “senseless”.

But in an interview with Newstalk ZB’s political editor Barry Soper, Mr Prosser stood by his controversial stance.

He denied that the use of “Wogistan” was racist, citing mentions of it being a “mythical place”, which could even have been “a real place”.

“Look, people can read things into it if they want,” he said.

“I have a particular style in my Investigate column which is, um, reasonably blunt, and I speak a lot of things that other people are talking about but won’t necessarily say.

“I don’t think it’s anything derogatory particularly, I don’t have any real time for the worst extreme elements of Islam who treat women in a poor fashion. So, I certainly think it’s appropriate for me to make those comments.”

Asked if he was tarring all young male Muslims with the same brush, Mr Prosser said it was a profiling policy that has made Israeli airline El Al “one of the safest airlines in the world”.

NZ First Leader Winston Peters initially said there was “an element of truth’ to what Mr Prosser wrote but that his MP had failed to balance his attack by acknowledging that the majority of Muslims were peaceful and law abiding.

In a subsequent statement, Mr Peters said Mr Prosser had “wrongfully impugned millions of law-abiding, peaceful Muslims” and the article did not represent the views of NZ First.

Mr Prosser said Mr Peters doesn’t vet his columns, which he’s been writing in Investigate for more than a decade, claiming they were separate from his MP duties and party policy.

He believed it was appropriate for him as an MP to make his views heard, saying: “This is what we are here for. We are here to represent and speak about the issues and concerns that people have.”

Mana Party leader Hone Harawira said Mr Prosser’s comments were racist, and without basis in fact.

“It’s kinda like saying that no 19- to 35-year-old white guys should be allowed to go anywhere because they cause so many wars around the world.”

Asked whether the NZ First MP should have kept his comments to himself, Mr Harawira said: “It’s best that they’re actually expressed openly because when people hold views as extreme as that, it’s best that we hear them.”

Act Party leader John Banks said the comments were “crazy” and “bizarre”, while Labour Leader David Shearer believed they could hurt New Zealand’s reputation in other countries.

In his article, Mr Prosser also said: “I will not stand by while [his daughters’] rights and freedoms of other New Zealanders and Westerners, are denigrated by a sorry pack of misogynist troglodytes from Wogistan.”

The 9/11 hijackers were Muslims, as were the London “tube bombers”, Mr Prosser said, along with the Taleban and al-Qaida.

“There is a pattern here, I promise you,” he wrote. “These are angry, young Muslim men who hate the West and want to destroy it.

“They attack us, and our institutions and infrastructures, and our way of life, and our values and beliefs and precepts, because we are not like them, and for no other reason.”

Prosser, 45, has previously made no apology for the strength of the controversial ideas he has been pushing for almost 10 years.

In 2011, he called for the burqa to be banned, while he also wanted bank tellers, dairy owners and taxi drivers to be armed.

– APNZ

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    • Tanveer Khan

      Ham bangladeshi heh lekin me….uhhh. I was born and am being bred british..

    • Ahmed

      Bilkol theek hai yaar! Yeah it’s correct man. You from Pk or Bangladesh?

    • Tanveer Khan

      Salaam Bhai. Kese ho? Aap Australian heh? This is all i could muster. Lol. Is it correct?

    • He may well hate people who converted Islam, even more than people raised as Muslims as far all we know.

    • Yes. Hopefully none of them will gain enough power to implement their ideas.

    • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

      Prosser is a moron. He recently gave soft-ball apology in which he called for racial profiling instead of a ban on flights. Idiot.

    • Reynardine

      Most perps who massacre theater audiences, college students, and tiny schoolchildren are white American males between nineteen and thirty-five, so let’s not let them have firearms-ever.

    • Kirook

      Your last sentence sums up every Islamophobe who has ever existed, who exists now and who ever will exist.

    • Ahmed

      Well, I’m Pakistani by birth but I consider myself an Aussie Muslim first so I’m not exactly foreign eh? Yeah, or Asian Muslims since most Muslims are from SE Asia.

  • Ahmed

    Oh and I visited New Zealand South Island and my God. It’s Heaven! I love that place! The most beautiful country in the world. Sorry Australia!

Radio Talk Show Host Laurie Roth Takes An Interest in Male Muslim Genitalia

By on February 6, 2013 in Loon Radio, Loon-at-large

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by Emperor

Muslim men if you’re ever around radio talk show host Laurie Roth, guard your private parts, she might go Lorena Bobbitt on you. Roth wants so-called “Islamic males” (whatever that means) to be castrated. In a psychotic Islamophobic article (If Islamic males can’t control themselves, is castration the answer?) that plays on falsities, generalizations and alleged statements and crimes by some Muslims, Roth advocates castration,

It is time for castrations of Muslim males who pathologically abuse women sexually…

According to Roth one of the criteria for a Muslim male who is sexually abusing his wife or daughter is if women related to them wear the veil. Clearly Roth cannot countenance any Muslim woman voluntarily wearing a veil or headscarf, for her its all just male imposed misogynistic sexual abuse.

We should all agree that those who rape and abuse women sexually be severely punished, I can even understand the emotive desire to want to cut off such people’s private parts, tragically too many abusers get away with such horrid criminality which cuts across cultures.

The purpose of Roth’s article however is not to secure the rights of women, rather Roth only takes out her rusty castration blade for Muslim men, purposefully ignoring rampant sexual abuse elsewhere, in say the US military where 1/3rd of women have been raped and 90% have faced sexual abuse or the Catholic clergy pedophilia and sex abuse epidemic.

Why doesn’t she make equally shrill cries regarding perpetrators of sexual abuse against women and children in these traditions and institutions? It’s because she is an Islamophobic hypocrite.

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    • Ahmed

      Up the Irons!!!

  • Tanveer Khan

    Yeah i think she did. Doesnt matter anymore though.

Exclusive: Reverend Deacon Robert Spencer of Our Lady of the Cedars Church

By on February 2, 2013 in Feature, Loon Pastors

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by Garibaldi

For quite some time it has been known that Robert Spencer, according to his own testimony, is a Catholic of the Maronite Melkite tradition. However what has not been discussed has been the extent of his involvement with the Church. Spencer attempts to portray himself as a “freedom fighter” (nothing could be further from the truth), fighting “Islamization” and the “savage” Muslims. Presenting himself as an “objective” scholar (though he has no qualifications when it comes to Islam) and a blogger while downplaying his other prominent roles in life.

In light of the recent and welcomed news that the Catholic Diocese of Worcester disinvited Spencer from a speaking engagement at an upcoming Men’s Conference, it is clearer why he was invited in the first place: he is an active Catholic deacon.

In a 2002 article by Shawne K. Wickham, a certain Robert Spenser (his name is spelled wrongly) is cited as studying to become a Melkite deacon. Spen(s)er discusses the idea of “bringing heaven to earth,”

Robert Spenser, who is studying to be a Melkite deacon, recalls an old story of the emissaries who were sent out into the world by the Slavic king to investigate various religions, and happened upon a Byzantine church service in Constantinople. “We didn’t know if we were on heaven or on earth,” they would report back.

“I think the idea of bringing heaven to earth, and having a taste of heaven on earth is one of the reasons people come here,” Spenser said.

In 2002 Spencer (this time with his name spelled properly) is listed as “Associate director of Educational Services” at Our Lady of the Cedars Church:

Associate to the Director of Educational Services – Robert Spencer of Manchester, NH. Robert Spencer is in the Diaconal Formation Program and has been active in the home-school movement.

A 2006 discussion thread titled “Deacon Robert Spencer on C-Span tonight” on the Byzantine Forum leaves no doubt that Deacon Robert Spencer and JihadWatch Robert Spencer are one and the same.

A 2011 official Melkite Greek Church directory lists Spencer as “Rev. Deacon Robert Spencer”

Spencer, Deacon Robert Our Lady of the Cedars E-mail : robtspencer@myfairpoint.net

In 2011, Spencer also wrote an article for Crisis Magazine, a Catholic publication on his Church titled “We are Non-Roman Catholics.”

A 2012 PDF document from Our Lady of the Cedars lists Spencer’s ordination at the top of the masthead.

This information also provides further insight into the reasoning behind Spencer’s anti-Muslim/Islam hate activism. What has been known for quite some time through Robert Spencer’s own statements and declarations (such as his 2003 interview with the Washington Times and his “debate” with his former college Professor Peter Kreeft) is that his Crusade against Islam and Muslims is colored by an extremist Christian supremacist theology that views Islam and Muslims as the ultimate existential threats to “Christendom.”

Additionally, and this is perhaps the real question, it speaks volumes about the Our Lady of the Cedars Church. Why would they have someone ordained who is designated as a hate group leader? Why would they have someone in their ordained clergy who makes a living telling people that Muslims are violent criminals bent on destroying the West?

Is this what the Catholic church is all about? I happen to believe it is not, especially considering that surveys of Catholic Americans show that the majority have positive views of Islam and Muslims. The fact that Spencer is out of step with mainstream Catholicism is also underscored by the fact that the National Catholic Reporter applauded the cancellation of his speech by the Worcester diocese.

If anyone should understand what it feels like to be discriminated against based on religion, it is Catholics. They have faced a history of prejudice in the United States, thus it is odd that such a hostile, and at the least, very controversial figure would assume a leadership role in their church.

And presumably, a portion of his income from his anti-Muslim rants goes to the church. There is one link that shows him as a “platinum” donator to a church function, and another one where he gives a “generous” gift to have a Pantocrator icon installed in the church.

Lastly, we must call out Deacon Spencer’s hypocrisy: In the Melkite tradition, women are not allowed to enter the Holy Place, where the altar stands, and girls are not allowed as altar servers. But of course Spencer rails about discrimination against women in Islam yet he doesn’t notice such blatant discrimination happening in his own tradition. A case no doubt of,

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. (Matthew 7:5)

Update: Robert Spencer kneeling before the altar, decked out in full green regalia?

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Update II: Barth’s Notes: Robert Spencer and the Melkite Greek Catholic Church (h/t: Jai Singh)

Spencer here follows the example of the late Paul Weyrich, whom he regarded as a mentor-figure, although Spencer’s Melkite affiliation also reflects his personal circumstances: he is of Greek Orthodox heritage (family displaced from Turkey) and married to a Catholic, and so a form of Catholicism that follows an Orthodox style has obvious attractions.

Some of Spencer’s books include the name of the priest of his church among the acknowledgements, although the church itself does not appear to promote the kind of anti-Islam polemicising for which Spencer is notorious. In 2006 Spencer promoted a report about a speech given by then-US Melkite leader Archbishop Cyril Salim Bustros, in which Bustros made criticisms of Islam; however, Bustros did not resort to the kind of rabble-rousing rhetoric and sloppiness that are Spencer’s hallmarks.

Related:

–HOPE Not Hate: Robert Spencer exposed as Catholic deacon

–Petition: Remove Hate Group Leader Robert Spencer as Catholic Deacon

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    • The greenmantle

      Sour grapes as Deacon Rev Spencer s very small church is not that well known plus Rev Deacon Spencer is probably still sore at someone …. ok nearly everyone one this site laughing at him . Sir David

    • Jack

      Wrong. In the Eastern Churches, a married man may become a deacon or priest, but cannot marry after ordination.

    • Jack

      In the Orthodox Christian tradition, followed by the Byzantine Catholic Churches, which include the Melkites, a deacon is addressed as Father Deacon Firstname.

      In the same way, a monk, whether in orders or not, is Father Firstname, and a nun is Mother (not Sister) Firstname.

    • Jack

      Melkite Maronite is like saying Methodist Presbyterian. Now we know the depth of your knowledge about Eastern Catholic Churches. Casts a serious shadow over the trustworthiness and objectivity of the rest of your article.

    • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

      Wow, interesting title for his book! A step away from his usual, “what you really really need to know about Islam” tired titles.

    • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

      I agree, that’s definitely something you are going to see in any future articles on Fr. Rev. Deacon Robert Spencer.

      LOL. Now that would be a scoop, if Spencer and Geller were ever married.

      I do believe he will claim his life is at risk now that everyone knows his secret, but he already claims so any chance he gets.

    • Zakariya Ali Sher

      Well, Spencer does like collecting money. I think the church might do well to appoint someone to watch over him. You know, make sure he’s not skimming off the top to fund jihad watch or anything.

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