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Catholic Diocese of Sacremento Bans Spencer From Church Property

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Rev. Deacon Robert Spencer is starting to reap the fruit of his anti-Muslim activism, his Church is embarrassed by him and doesn’t want to be associated with his hatred.

Letter-writer Lawrence Swaim congratulates the Catholic Diocese on its decision and asks the Kolbe Academy to do the same.:

The Catholic Diocese of Sacramento acted wisely in canceling Robert Spencer’s speaking engagement on church property. Kolbe Academy Home School should now consider canceling his speech entirely at their conference in Sacramento later this month.

Spencer is a co-founder, along with Pam Geller, of Stop Islamization of America (SIOA), a shrill and increasingly violent hate group that specializes in stirring up religious bigotry against innocent people.

Spencer poses a clear and present threat to religious liberty, and his hateful rhetoric makes a mockery of the values that most Americans cherish.

In a recent conference in Tennessee, attended by law enforcement because of escalating hate crimes in the area, Geller and Spencer’s SIOA followers cheered at the mention of a mosque that was burned down.

Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League correctly writes that Spencer and Geller promote “a conspiratorial anti-Muslim agenda under the pretext of fighting terrorism.”

He compared it to the anti-Semitism that became fashionable a century ago in Europe, beliefs that led to the Holocaust, history’s greatest crime, and reduced Europe to rubble.

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  • Seeker

    His A/C gave out you see.
    *joke* No rotten tomatoes please. :D

  • Tanveer Khan

    *Camera zooms to rank upon rank of Muslamic Sipahis, battle hardened and ready to wage righteous war on the Ramadan denyers. A flag of the Muslamic Empire drapes over the camera. Engulfing it in all of the flag’s satin glory. A warning…*

  • Zakariya Ali Sher

    Wait, he still has fans :-P

  • Zakariya Ali Sher

    That’s not true at all, and certainly not in the US or most other Western countries. Also, your knowledge seems rather based on Western views of Christianity, which are significantly less strict than Eastern Christianity. In the Orthodox and Oriental Churches, there are numerous fasts throughout the year, and you are not supposed to pick and choose what you abstain from. They are fairly strict. The main reason Ethiopian cuisine has so many delicious vegetarian dishes is because Orthodox fasts forbid meat! You also leave out Jewish dietary restrictions, which are even stricter. Orthodox Jews can’t even take cars or flip lightswitches during the Sabbath. And the Buddhists and Hindus have their own restrictions as well.

    And while I will agree that there is an unfortunate lack of good knowledge about Christianity in many Muslim countries, everyone in Egypt knows that the Copts fast. They have two Lents, and numerous other fasts throughout the year. There are only about a 150 days when the Copts DON’T fast.

    There also aren’t laws about fasting, at least not in most Muslim majority countries, and certainly not in any Muslim minority countries. Not every Muslim fasts. There are some lax Muslims who don’t really observe it (though to be fair in most Muslim majority countries they aren’t overly overt about it). Also people who have health concerns (pregnant women, for example, and young children) are exempt from fasting. The worst most people face for not fasting is social stigma, which is indeed harsh, but I will say that Orthodox Christians also face social stigma for not fasting. I’ve seen examples of both.

    In fact, not too long ago, there was a case of an exchange student in Egypt living with a Coptic host family who passed out from malnutrition because they forced him to fast. Obviously most Copts would never do that, and would likely to be disgusted by it, but it goes to show the effects of social pressure. I’ll have to see if I can pull that story up.

    More to the point, there are no shortage of Christians who try to flaunt their supposed piety. In some communities, going to the “right” church is something of a status symbol. Evangelicals in the US (a country with a significant Christian majority) take it one step further by having their own separate book stores, TV channels, music and so forth, all because they need to show how much more devout they are than us heathen masses. That is the very definition of showy. And yes, it exists in Muslim countries too, and Buddhist countries. In any culture where religion gets entwined with power, that’s inevitable. Would that more Christians hold to teachings of Christ, the world would be a better place…

    And yes, we Muslims DO know the definition of fasting. It’s just not YOUR definition of fasting. It is still hardship, it is still sacrifice. I doubt you could go from sun up to sun down without eating, drinking, smoking or having sex. That takes willpower, it takes dedication, it takes a certain mentality which you are not ready for, and I wouldn’t advise you to even bother trying it. I suppose you are also unaware that there are days Muslims are FORBIDDEN from fasting as well.

    It seems your entire argument is a rehash of the whole “Islam is not a religion” argument, or at best a simple variation on it. We do fast. Technically the term for it is either روزه (‘roza’) or صوم (‘sawm’) and we do it voluntarily, out of belief. It may not fit your idea of fasting, but it IS a hardship. And perhaps most importantly, some people fast outside of Ramazan, just as some Muslims pray outside of our five daily namaz.

  • http://www.loonwatch.com/ Ilisha

    …So Bishop Michael opened up the gospels to where Jesus tells his followers how to fast. That they should not make a big public show of it. That the only person who should know they are doing it, is God.

    The Muslim was totally flummoxed. He simply could not *get* the inner-directed ‘between-me-and-God’ aspect of Christian practice.

    Either this is a false story, or the “flummoxed” Muslim didn’t know his own religion. Riyaa (showing off when doing things to please God) is minor shirk (violation of the oneness of God).

    “Verily, what I fear most for you is the lesser idolatry.” And he [Prophet Muhammad] elaborated, “It is showing off. Allah the Exalted will say to them (who show off), on the Day of Resurrection when the people are being rewarded for their deeds: Go to those whom you wished to show off in the world and look for your reward with them.” (Musnad Ahmad Hadith 23119)

    “If anyone wants to have his deeds widely publicized, Allah will publicize (his humiliation). And if anyone makes a hypocritical display (of his deeds) Allah will make a display of him.” (Sahih Muslim Book 42, Hadith 7115)

  • Just_Stopping_By

    While you may think you know what fasting is, what you claim isn’t really consistent with the Bible.

    The most famous form of “fasting” by abstaining from some types of food in the Bible I would say is Passover, referred to as the Feast or Holiday of Unleavened Bread, not as a fast. See Exodus 12:14-20, for example.

    In contrast, when the people of Nineveh declare a fast (Jonah 3:5), the city’s king declares, “No man or beast-of flock or herd-shall taste anything! They shall not graze, and they shall not drink water!” (Jonah 3:7)

    Finally, I’ll point out that in Judaism we have full-day (sunset to sunset) fasts and partial (sunrise to sunset) fasting days. Both are called fasts. I can’t recall any instance where abstaining from some type of food is called a fast in the Torah or anywhere else in Judaism. Of course, you are free to call that a fast, but it’s certainly not the only definition — nor is it the one we find in the Bible.

  • Tighe McCandless

    I also seem to remember that you were called out on your dismissal of the concept of fasting by Muslims in earlier article by several people. You did not bother to respond to them there, instead opting to post in a wholly unrelated thread. I also fail to see how your point was proved in any way beyond confirming that the concept of fasting has multiple meanings to differing faiths.

    Your agenda, of course, is quite apparent for the need for a distinction, but as to someone with no religious convictions, it comes across as petty and with little purpose. It is, ironically, just as much a cry for the self-congratulation of religious belief as your criticism of the Muslim paradigm of fasting is.

  • Christian-Friend

    ^^ Ladies and gentlemen, a fan of Robert Spencer!

  • golden izanagi

    I love the “standing with muslims” bit funny considering this http://spencerwatch.com/spenceritis/ you can pretty much see that’s obvious bullcrap if he was about standing with muslims wouldn’t he be posting stories like this on site http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/02/15/jewelry-left-in-nyc-taxi-returned/ and to who that the actions and words of a few people don’t reflect who the majority are, in fact when news was getting out that muslims were helping prevent terror plots http://spencerwatch.com/2010/11/08/spencer-upset-muslims-take-on-extremists/ spencer droned on about it being “counterproductive” that the media was covering stories like this quite a strange thing to say for someone who says he “stands with muslims”

  • Jon Diamond

    I read his reply and it is amazing how he likes to toot his own horn. He says that people have called him, “perhaps the foremost Catholic expert on Islam in our country.” Yet, like always, he never gives the names of these people. We just have to take his word for it.

    The sad fact is that Spencer and Geller have made hatred into a career. There are just enough gullible losers in this world that ensure they do not have to get real jobs.

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  • mindy1

    bahaha XD

  • Tighe McCandless

    I’m not a drinking man, but…

    Everyone should try this sometime. It’s delicious.

  • golden izanagi
  • Yausari

    He’s thinking “muslim has taken over the church”

  • Eagle of Damascus

    God bless the Catholic Diocese of Sacramento.

  • mindy1

    A Church with common sense, praise the lord. And to all who are fasting, have a good Ramadan :D

  • mindy1

    that’s about right :)

  • http://www.yellow-stars.com/ eslaporte

    They can scream “freedom of speech” all they want – but that applies to the government and its agents, not to private property owners. Private property owners have the right to not allow this type of “speech” on their own property. The Catholic Church and the local archdioceses owns the property and they can tell Spencer to bug off all day. It’s – well – property rights – lol!

    I like the video above. the guy takes out his anger on the monitor, but not the computer, the actual source of the problem — funny!

  • Tighe McCandless

    The best part is that his fans, who are normally of the stripe that do not like someone telling them what to do (especially if they’re part of the ‘hatred of Islam’ movement’s club), are likely to wig out and exclaim that this ban should be lifted. The exact same sort who’d argue that Spencer would have a right to vomit his information elsewhere on private property. But when it comes to the kind of people he attracts, it’s par for the course.

    All animals are equal – but, of course, some are more equal than others.

  • golden izanagi

    probable reaction from spencer fanboys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhzd-akFHwQ

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