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Caroline Fourest fined €6000 for defaming young Muslim victim of racist attack

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Islamophobe Caroline Fourest claims to be a “Feminist” but it appears her feminism is of the Neo-colonialist variety.

via. IslamophobiaWatch

Saphir News has reported that Caroline Fourest – the French “left-wing” Islamophobe who wrote Brother Tariq: The Doublespeak of Tariq Ramadan – has been successfully sued for defamation over comments she made in June last year on the radio station France Culture.

Fourest was responding to the attacks on two Muslim women in Argenteuil, one of whom lost her baby after being kicked in the stomach by her assailants. This followed an earlier incident in which a 17-year-old woman named Rabia Bentot (pictured) was punched and kicked by racists, who also tore off her headscarf while shouting “dirty Arab” and “dirty Muslim”

Instead of Fourest declaring her outrage at the assaults, and her solidarity with the victims, this self-styled feminist expressed scepticism about the women’s accounts.

Fourest claimed that Rabia Bentot was being manipulated by her father and by the Coordination contre le Racisme et l’Islamophobie, assisted by what Fourest described as the “communalist” website Oumma.com, and she suggested that the story of an attack might well have been fabricated. Even if an assault did take place, Fourest asserted, the police had not excluded the possibility that Rabia was the victim of violence by her own family, who could have beaten her up as punishment for living too free a lifestyle.

Needless to say, Fourest offered no evidence whatsoever to back up these disgraceful slurs.

The Collectif contre l’Islamophobie en France comments that for someone who claims to be a feminist Fourest is very selective in her indignation, especially when it comes to Muslim women who wear hijab. The CCIF notes that trying to discredit the testimony of women victims of violence is a well-known phenomenon, and has been vigorously denounced by feminist organisations.

Rabia Bentot sued Fourest for defamation, and last week the Grand Instance Court in Paris ruled in Rabia’s favour. Fourest was fined €6000, half of which was to be paid in damages with the remainder to cover the plaintiff’s legal costs. Fourest has announced that she will be appealing the verdict.

 

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  • HeGG

    From Wikipedia:

    “Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher once took McCain to task for appearing to excuse date rape when, in a blog post, McCain wrote about promiscuity among women: “Listen up, sweetheart: You buy the ticket, you take the ride.” After indignation broke out among both liberal and conservative defenders of women, Christopher confronted McCain on-camera at the CPAC conference in March 2011, seeking clarity. McCain conceded the point, explained why he had been skeptical of a widely publicized date-rape accusation (against Julian Assange) and repeated after Christopher: “No means no; stop means stop.” Writing about this encounter, Christopher remarked that “McCain still holds many opinions that I find objectionable, but I also think that [the video] places the ‘character’ that is RS McCain into a context that simply reading him does not.”

    Which I’m surge you’ll dismiss, since McCain is your new super anti-Feminist hero or whatever.

  • HeGG

    I would think that anyone with a shred of decency would find his comment about date rape deplorable, not only feminists.

    Your mileage may vary.

  • Mifeng86

    Not being listened to or believed is exactly why women are reluctant to report it when they get attacked. I think Islamophobia is a feminist issue considering that most victims of anti-Muslim violence are women. I don’t care for the tone of the article I just posted in the link, because the implication is that the women are to blame for being attacked because of their attire.

    Oh I forgot, according to Ms. Fourest being the feminist hero that she is only the opinions and experiences of Western women are valid.

  • Mehdi

    Thanks Garibaldi, I agree fully with everything you say, that’s the reason why I stayed away from this discussion (I feel bad as it was a comment of mine that initiated it), there are many forms of feminism and disagreements over the term even between militants.

    Caroline Fourest has made herself famous by attacking Tarik Ramadan and writing a book full of lies about him, she then claimed that he refused or was afraid to debate with her while he said the opposite. I once asked a a swiss journalist after a debate where he was invited on TV, she confirmed that it was Fourest who turned down the invite. Finally she had to accept an invitation on a french program and he just wiped the floor with her. I need to search for it but it’s around 30 minutes long, so translation would be difficult.

    I also despise the Femen who are also growingly losing credibility (especially after they made a stupid demonstration in the Notre Dame cathedral against the new pope, another against the Paris mosque to protest against Salafism, and after Amina Sboui claimed that she was attacked by salafists at 6am in an area usually quite crowded, only to admit she lied)…

    Now despising these women doesn’t mean I dismiss feminism. I do like this article from Mona Chollet on the femen about their “fast-food feminism” http://mondediplo.com/blogs/the-fast-food-feminism-of-the-topless-femen

    Chollet is a feminist and defends feminism, when there are oppressions against women, feminism or womanism or other forms of activism are important. Chollet wrote a very good book (not sure it was translated) about the new forms of alienation against women in the west such as the cult of fashion, the narcissic search for the “perfect slim body” which leads many teenagers to anorexy and depression, and many other examples.

    So yes, one can and should criticize some forms of feminism but dismissing feminism as a whole goes way too far as I’m concerned. There are many many forms of feminism, some are a new form of western imperialism, as I related on the comment of Tunisian feminists telling the Femen to leave as they created un-necessary tension to their legitimate fights for protecting women’s social, legal rights or to fight sexual abuse or domestic violence. I also deeply respect many figures such as the ones on the link I posted or people such as Arundhati Roy, or Angela Davies, whether they describe themselves as feminist or not is a side point. Saying that these people are puppets of capitalism is unfair to them.

    Women’s issues has evolved (and are different depending on the places) and require new forms of struggle, and it’s up for women to find these solutions and talk about them. We have the right to criticize some forms of militancy when they go too far or end up being forms of bigotry, but I will never attack feminism as a whole for two reasons:
    – Being pro or anti when there is “ism” involved often ends up with black and white simplistic representations. As I told a friend recently, I don’t fancy communism but anti-communism is often silly and has been a tool for US imperialism or McCarthy’s witch hunts, I am pretty
    leftie and dislike extreme capitalism but I do live in market world and
    live with it, and we have already been over debates about the term islamism. Saying I’m pro or anti for all these terms is simplistic, similarly I can’t saying pro or anti for feminism, some of its forms should be criticized by many others deserve support and respect.
    – There are many organizations who target feminism are either religious fundamentalists (and I mean all religions here), or fascist, and tend to use some forms of excessive militantism to pursue their agenda of oppressing women. Nuance is important here, as I will never accept to have my voice or criticism by such people. In some sense everyone in this forum has been criticizing ISIS or other Muslim extremism, it’s legitimate but noone in this forums would be happy to see its arguments used by Islamophobes, one way of trying to avoid that is by expressing critcism with nuance.

    Sorry for the length of the response.

  • The greenmantle

    There are over ten million people of Irish decent in the UK . So I suspect you are mistaken . 🙂

    Sir David

  • downwithpants

    Okay can I have a cool reflective vest? O master of all Dhimmis!
    I already pay the jizzya when I go to the bank….the sperm bank

  • Jekyll

    I do not agree with everything you say, especially the last paragraph, but the idea of inter sectional feminism was relevant.

  • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

    I can’t unfortunately read this whole thread but I would just agree that Fourest is a joke and I’m glad she’s making a greater fool of herself for the world to see. Perhaps those who slavishly cite her as some authority when bashing Islam or Muslim scholars like Tariq Ramadan will think again. By the way you should translate that video of their interaction into English!

    I don’t know where to post this on the thread but my two cents on the issue of Feminism more broadly, I’d note that within Feminist circles there’s a lot of disagreement not only on methodologies, priorities but also the term itself. In the US for instance the issue of the term is contested as it does not resonate for some.

    Black women deeply rooted within the Christian tradition started taking exception to the term “feminism” around the mid to late 80s. They found that their experience was of a different nature and that the Feminist movement as constructed did not jibe with their own experiences. They came up with the term/social theory of “Womanism.”

    The need for something like “Feminism” (call it what you want) comes from a real, organic place; the oppression of women. Speaking from strictly within a Muslim paradigm, from my observation, the voices of Muslim women have to be at the forefront of this discussion. There are women who are living miserable lives and who have suffered the consequences. I can give innumerable examples and citations, from women and their allies who are working on these exact issues within Muslim majority nations/communities.

    The tricky balancing act for such scholars and activists is to be cognizant of imperialist White Feminism. The famous words of Gayatri Spivak come to mind in regards to this type of Feminism, “White men saving Brown women from Brown men.” At the same time as one must be on guard against these malicious forces one also has to keep in mind the very real issues plaguing women: unequal access to education, health, security, economic resources, etc.

    From my reading of what can be termed Islamic Feminism, by which I refer to a trans-national movement that burgeoned in the late 80’s and grew in the 90’s is that most who are associated with this group are doing their darndest to navigate and balance these competing forces and achieve real, tangible results. The work of Anissa Helie, Ziba Mir-Hosseini, Homa Hoodfar, Leila Ahmed, Hooria Hayat Khan, Asma Jahangir, Amina Wadud is just some of what comes to mind. (By the way, as should be obvious, that’s not an endorsement of all their views, but a recognition of their contributions)

  • HeGG

    I don’t want to refute McCain on feminism because that would necessitate that I read his spiels, and I refuse to waste my time doing that. You’re, of course, free to continue to find merit on them and excuse or ignore whatever unpleasant qualities he might or might not have.

    And while I have exactly zero interest in discussing feminism with you, what is this Feminist Thought Police you’re referring to?

  • HeGG

    “The Southern Poverty Law Center has claimed that McCain was once a member of League of the South, which the SPLC classifies as a white supremacist hate group. McCain acknowledges his “revulsion” to relationships between blacks and whites but he insists that his views do not qualify as racism”

    There is more in his Wikipedia entry, if you care to look for it.

    I guess you’re right. It’s ok to quote horrible people, as long as we only quote the parts we agree with. I suppose quoting positively Pamela Geller or Robert Spencer is ok, right?

    And no, I’m sorry. It’s never unnecessary to call DrMoron “repulsive”. In fact, it should be required.

  • HeGG

    Big fan of Anita Sarkeesian here. Her commentary is the kind of I sught video games need if they are ever going to be considered true “art”

    Her treatment by the losers of gamergate was truly shameful.

  • HeGG

    Robert Stacy McCain is a white supremacist and a rape apologist. Surely there must be a limit to the disclaimer of not endorsing all the views of someone when quoting them.

    However, I’m sure someone as repulsive as “Dr”M would love him.

  • The greenmantle

    Yes my appointment has recently been confirmed by the executive council member for recruitment . This member known as ” The Deacon Robert Spencer and his deputy ,Pam have yet to arrange for my salary unfortunetly . I was promised a doubling of my current wages .*
    Would you like to join ? I can get you a good deal for a five year membership of the leftwing muslim alliance . You will not need more than five year membership as Deacon has provised we will be running the whole western world by then . ( apart for Belgium where we think the Prime Minester and his bow ties are quite cute ).
    I need someone to be in charge of mosque parking . Its a very difficult job but vital to the community -can you help ?

    Sir David

    *this is slightly worrying as my current wages are zero and twice zero I am informed is … er …still … zero

  • downwithpants

    You’re The leader of the EU branch of the caliphate?!?! Hello future overlord….look at me I’m blushing I’ve never met an overlord before.

  • The greenmantle

    Alas I am not as erudite as the esteemed JSB

    Sir David

  • The greenmantle

    er I think she means me

    Sir David

  • Dr.S

    ‘to create “money” out of thin air and post it to their books.’

  • Jekyll

    The Earl is no friend of mine, serfs and Earls are allowed that.

  • Jekyll

    It’s okay Herr Sckolly. You have been nothing but kind and treated with utmost respect. You keep carrying on here…you are what LW is needed !

  • HSkol

    I’ll stop if you are serious. I took you to be serious.

  • HSkol

    @disqus_hVWUbyh2lj:disqus will not permit you to move on – at least that’s my understanding. 🙂

    AND, if I cannot razz you, all the fun goes away.

  • HSkol

    Oh crap, my state has neglected to push for any anti-Sharia Law legislation. Guess I’m pretty well a goner. Well, it’s been good knowing you. 😉

  • Jekyll

    Hmm remember to put your pants on for the opening ceremony.

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