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Gregoire Moutaux: Frenchman Planned Mass Terrorist Attacks

Gregoire Moutaux

(h/t:Rookie)

via. BBC

A Frenchman detained last month with a large cache of arms was planning mass attacks during the Euro 2016 football tournament, which starts on Friday, Ukrainian officials say.

The man, identified by French media as Gregoire Moutaux, 25, was arrested on the Ukrainian border with Poland.

Intelligence chief Vasyl Hrytsak said the man had planned 15 attacks and was driven by ultra-nationalist views.

He had amassed guns, detonators and 125kg of TNT, Mr Hrytsak said.

Mr Hrytsak listed bridges, motorways, a mosque and a synagogue among the suspect’s potential targets. He was being prosecuted for arms smuggling and terrorism, he said.

His home in north-east France has been searched by police, who – according to media reports – found a T-shirt bearing far-right insignia. The Ukrainians say he was motivated by hatred of immigration and globalisation.

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  • MichaelElwood

    Journey wrote: “We evolved from baser creatures whose brains only respond to instincts. We still have that lower order brain encased in our higher order thinking. Do we need a book from heaven to tell us to ‘war, torture, slavery, profiling, lying, etc’ when it is already natural to our baser instincts, and has been for millions of years?”

    What are you rambling about now? Jesusfreaks don’t believe humans evolved, remember? And they don’t believe that our species has been around for “millions of years” (according to Reverend William Hales, creation was initiated in the year 5411 BC). That’s an idea dreamt up by the libtards in academia and the lamestream media. You know, kinda like global warming.

  • Journey

    “These are the same people who think war, torture, slavery, profiling, lying, etc., is instinctual and natural.”

    It IS instinctual. That’s exactly what I was saying. We evolved from baser creatures whose brains only respond to instincts. We still have that lower order brain encased in our higher order thinking. Do we need a book from heaven to tell us to “war, torture, slavery, profiling, lying, etc” when it is already natural to our baser instincts, and has been for millions of years? Do you need Allah to tell you to eat or drink or go to the toilet? Do you need a book from heaven to tell you to defend yourself when you already have the instant and natural fight/flight mechanism?

    No, we need something that takes us above and beyond the reptilian brain. Role Model Muhammad never got above his reptilian brain.

  • Journey

    LOL, such desperation! Paul did not tell anyone to lie, and Martin Luther did not write the bible.

    There would be more harm if you did not reject Muhammad, than if I did not reject Jesus as a man/god.

    Role Model Muhammad was a terrorist: Jesus was not.

  • MichaelElwood

    Journey wrote: “I would love to see where Jesus says ‘lie to convert'”

    I didn’t say Jesus said to lie to convert people. In fact, Jesus said the exact opposite:

    “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” [John 8:32]

    I said your religion allows you to lie to convert people. You know, the Christian religion, that odd collection of Hellenistic, Pauline mystery religion and Germanic, Lutheran nonsense:

    “To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.” [1 Corinthians 9:21-23]

    “Be that as it may, I have not been a burden to you. Yet, crafty fellow that I am, I caught you by trickery!” [2 Corinthians 12:16]

    “What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church…a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them.”

    –Martin Luther

    Journey wrote: “As for doll-playing Aisha, good luck in trying to change the Hadithes, change child marriage laws in many Islamic paradises, and convince 2 billion Muslims. You will have a formidable task ahead of you.”

    I don’t need any luck changing child marriage laws in “Islamic” countries because it’s already illegal in almost all of them except for Saudi Arabia. And it has been illegal for years. For example, in Ottoman family law, the minimum age of marriage for women was 17 (see pg. 19, “Family Planning in the Legacy of Islam,” by Abdel-Rahim Omran).

    Instead of feigning concern about child marriage in the “Islamic” world, perhaps your time would be better spent doing something about child marriage in the Christian world. Because Christians believe that Mary was betrothed in her pre-teens (see http://www.truthortradition.com/articles/mary-a-teenage-bride-and-mother ), many Christians continue to support child marriage:

    “And the powerful Ethiopian Orthodox Church has long played a role in early matchmaking. Church teachings traditionally encouraged marriage before age 15, declaring that this was the age of the Virgin Mary at the Immaculate Conception of Christ.”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-0412120360dec12-story.html#page=2

    http://www.girlsnotbrides.org/meeting-child-brides-in-ethiopia/

    Your feigned concern about child marriage in the “Islamic” world reminds me of something Jesus said:

    “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” [Matthew 7:5]

    Journey wrote: “You are better off rejecting Muhammad as a prophet.”

    And you’d be better off rejecting this fictional man-God creature with multiple personalities that you Jesusfreaks have created and accept the real Jesus. The same Jesus who, when asked what was the most important commandment, said:

    “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. [Mark 12:29]

    If you don’t know what the shema is, or it’s significance, ask your Jewish friends.

  • MichaelElwood

    Journey wrote: “You’d better tell that to your Islamic scholars.”

    Tell you what, I’ll tell that to all the “Islamic scholars” and you tell it to all the Christian scholars:

    “What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church…a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them.”

    –Martin Luther

    And while your at it, you can also try to convince them that the word kill in Luke 19:27 doesn’t really mean kill. Good luck with that!

  • MichaelElwood

    Journey wrote: “If ‘self defense’ is instinctual, since even a bacterium can be seen defending itself under a microscope, then why do humans need a book from Allah to tell them what is already natural? Don’t we really need a book from heaven to tell us to go against our instincts”

    I don’t put any stock in what Jesusfreaks consider “instinctual” or “natural”. These are the same people who think war, torture, slavery, profiling, lying, etc., is instinctual and natural.

    Journey wrote: “Also, tell me how is this ‘self defense’, considering that Allah is a ghost”

    Can you stop repeating this nonsense? I went over your ridiculous “metaphorical” interpretation of that verse already:

    http://www.loonwatch.com/2016/06/on-the-orlando-massacre/#comment-2736373072

    Journey wrote: “Bottom line: you are idolizing a murderer, a lecher, a torturer and a totalitarian war criminal.”

    Bottom line, you’re idolizing a figment of your imagination, and demonizing another figment of your imagination. You should get to know the Jesus and Muhammad of history instead.

  • Journey

    If “self defense” is instinctual, since even a bacterium can be seen defending itself under a microscope, then why do humans need a book from Allah to tell them what is already natural? Don’t we really need a book from heaven to tell us to go against our instincts: to forgive the unforgivable, to not repay eye for eye, to avoid sex with more than one woman, to love others who are different to you? You don’t need a book to tell you to eat or drink or go to the toilet. Nor do you need a book to tell you to defend yourself! That just shows the silliness of the “murder is self defense” myth.

    Also, tell me how is this “self defense”, considering that Allah is a ghost:

    “those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled” (5:33)

    Self defense myth has been thoroughly debunked from many sources, read their arguments here:
    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/self-defense.aspx

    Bottom line: you are idolizing a murderer, a lecher, a torturer and a totalitarian war criminal.

  • Journey

    And he wouldn’t make short work of your claims denying Muhammad’s murders and sex crimes?

  • Journey

    You’d better tell that to your Islamic scholars. https://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/al-taqiyya-dissimulation-part-1
    Along with changing Aisha’s age, and changing Muhammad’s murders into singalongs. Good luck.

  • Journey

    >it’s okay to lie in order to convert people.

    I would love to see where Jesus says “lie to convert” 🙂

    As for doll-playing Aisha, good luck in trying to change the Hadithes, change child marriage laws in many Islamic paradises, and convince 2 billion Muslims. You will have a formidable task ahead of you. You are better off rejecting Muhammad as a prophet. Until everyone does that, 9 year olds will continue to suffer, since the Koran tells Muslim men Muhammad is their role model. Good luck!

  • MichaelElwood

    Journey wrote: “The worst is when the doctrines themselves tell you to lie. . . .”

    . . . . says the Jesusfreak who’s religion tells him that it’s okay to lie in order to convert people.

    Journey wrote: “A religion founded upon a prophet who sexually penetrated a 9 year old. . . .”

    Please spare me these fairytales! As T.O. Shanavas points out in his article “Was Ayesha A Six-Year-Old Bride?”:

    “According to almost all the historians, Asma, the elder sister of Ayesha was 10 years older than Ayesha. If Asma was 100 years old in 73 AH, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of the hijrah.

    “If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha should have been 17 or 18 years old. Thus, Ayesha, being 17 or 18 years of at the time of Hijra, she started to cohabit with the Prophet between at either 19 to 20 years of age.

    “Based on Hajar, Ibn Katir, and Abda’l-Rahman ibn abi zanna’d, Ayesha’s age at the time she began living with the Prophet would be 19 or 20. In Evidence # 3, Ibn Hajar suggests that Ayesha was 12 years old and in Evidence #4 he contradicts himself with a 17 or 18-year-old Ayesha. What is the correct age, twelve or eighteen?”

    http://19.org/blog/aisha/

  • MichaelElwood

    Journey wrote: “It doesn’t matter what the name is”

    It does matter what the name is. You can’t just make up your own definitions for words!

    Journey wrote: “the fact is that the English translations of the Koran obscured some of the more unpalatable verses. This can only be so that English readers won’t be as offended, but it doesn’t tell the truth about Islam.”

    No, that’s not a “fact”. It’s the conspiratorial fantasies of critics of Islam.

    Journey wrote: “Who cares what it’s called?”

    People who value the truth. That’s who cares.

  • MichaelElwood

    Journey wrote: “So you don’t accept abrogation?”

    No, I don’t accept abrogation. We’ve been over this already:

    http://www.loonwatch.com/2016/06/on-the-orlando-massacre/#comment-2736373072

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