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Bart Simpson

In a daring display of “investigative journalism,” Loonwatch was recently “outed” as a site, “pretty much exclusively concerned with exposing the perceived enemies of Islam…? This jealously guarded secret was previously known only to tech-savvy visitors clever enough to click the link to our About page:

Loonwatch.com is a blogzine run by a motley group of hate-allergic bloggers to monitor and expose the web’s plethora of anti-Muslim loons, wackos, and conspiracy theorists…..

Isn’t that a fancy way of saying pretty much the same thing?

Throughout the screed “exposing” our “super secret mission,” there are numerous ludicrous and fact-less assertions, which have been refuted here and here. A garden variety bigot isn’t of much interest to us here, but amid the baseless accusations, fuzzy logic, and shameless self-promotion, there is a question that warrants a response:

Does Loonwatch really shun all criticism of Islam and immediately silence our critics by branding them as loons?

Similar accusations have been made repeatedly, against Loonwatch and other sites devoted to fighting Islamophobia. The short and simple answer is “no.” As American Muslim civil rights activist Ahmed Rehab has said:

One thing we must never allow is for the bad amongst us – terrorists, extremists, ideologues of exclusion and hate – to succeed in turning the rest of us against each other. We must condemn them, ostracize them, and disempower them. The way to do that is to strengthen our relations, and stand with one another. That is the only way to spell defeat for the agents of hate.

We must emerge from our comfort zones and stand together as one against all forms of violence, ignorance, and intolerance….

Islam should be subjected to its fair share of constructive criticism and we have said as much in a significant number of articles. In fact several of our writers have severely criticized the theological premises of certain violent and regressive trends within the worldwide Muslim community. The problem is that there’s nothing fair or constructive about the ocean of half truths and outright lies that are routinely spread about Islam and Muslims by a well-funded network of pseudo scholars, grassroots activists, media amplifiers, serial fabricators, and other assorted anti-Muslim crackpots.

Legitimate criticism is truthful, proportionate, and in accordance with fair standards.

One of our most popular recent articles, Fake Nigerian Christians Burnt Alive Photo Resurfaces on Facebook, exposes anti-Muslim bigot and serial fabricator Pamela Geller trying to pass off a photo from a tragic accident as an incident of Muslims burning Christians alive.

Legitimate criticism is truthful. 

There is a constant barrage of  propaganda that says “Islamic terrorism” is the world’s greatest threat. Hate sites far and wide trumpet brash and baseless claims, which we routinely expose as lies: 17,000 “Islamic terrorist? Attacks Exist in Fevered Islamophobic Brains.

Yet meticulously documented statistics on the website Unknown News put the figures in proper context:

About 303 times as many people have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq than in the ghastly attacks of September 11, 2001.

More than 130 times as many people have been killed in these wars and occupations than in all terrorist attacks in the world from 1993-2004, according to data compiled by the US State Department.

Every life is sacred and precious, and reducing individuals to statistics is a grisly calculus. However, we must make the point that war consistently kills far more innocent civilians than terrorism. What justifies the myopic focus on the latter?

Legitimate criticism is proportionate.

Another favorite trick of anti-Muslim bigots is to cherry pick violent and intolerant passages from Islamic scripture and juxtapose them next to relatively peaceful passages from Jewish or Christian scripture. Loonwatch has a whole series of articles addressing this inconsistency: The Understanding Jihad Series: Is Islam More Likely Than Other Religions to Encourage Violence?

The most recent additions are here and here. We repeatedly expose this unfair tactic and insist that all religions be measured by the same set of standards.

Legitimate criticism is in accordance with fair standards.

Our mission is to expose the lies, exaggerations and double standards employed by anti-Muslim bigots, and our articles do exactly that. We advocate universal human rights, and refuse to give anyone a free pass.

We condemn all acts of terrorism and the killing of innocent civilians, no matter who is responsible.

No matter how many times we condemn terrorism, “critics” insist we haven’t condemned terrorism, and have even had the audacity to smear us a terrorist spin control network. It’s become almost laughable and reminiscent of a famous scene from the 1979 British comedy film, Monty Python’s Life of Brian:

Brian: …Will you please listen? I’m not the Messiah! Do you understand? Honestly!

Woman: Only the true Messiah denies his divinity!

Brian: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right, I am the Messiah!

Crowd: He is! He is the Messiah!

Will you please listen? We do condemn terrorism! Do you understand? Honestly! …

It’s time to resort to a more potent weapon: common sense. When some halfwit sets his underwear on fire in a failed terrorist attack, anyone with the slightest stake in the Muslim community instantly thinks, “Please, please…don’t let it be a Muslim!”

If it turns out the perpetrator is a Muslim, it is an unmitigated disaster for Muslims everywhere. Besides being morally repugnant, terrorism is self-defeating.

The 9/11 terrorist attacks paved the way for the US to bomb, invade, and occupy one Muslim country after another, including Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. Syria and Iran may be next.  The Islamophobia that germinated in the aftermath of the attacks has rooted itself in the public imagination and continues to deepen and expand, despite the loons’ absurd claims it doesn’t exist.

The blatantly obvious, self-evident truth is that terrorism hurts Muslims and damages the fight against bigotry.

In fact, it’s hard to imagine anything that sets back the cause of fighting anti-Muslim bigotry more than a terrorist attack that is in any way associated with Muslims. The loons delight in reporting terrorist attacks because their interests are served, not ours. In fact, anti-Muslim hatemongers and outrage peddlers are so eager to publish news of “Islamic” terrorist attacks, they don’t even care if there are no Muslims involved, as we’ve reported here and here.

We condemn all acts of terrorism and the killing of innocent civilians, no matter who is responsible. 

Our question to critics: Do you? 

As Danios said in his recent article, We’re at War!? — And We Have Been Since 1776: 214 Years of American War-Making:

The objects of American aggression have certainly changed with time, but the primary motivating factor behind U.S. wars of aggression have always been the same: expansion of U.S. hegemony.  The Muslim world is being bombed, invaded, and occupied by the United States not because of radical Islam or any inherent flaw in themselves.  Rather, it is being so attacked because it is in the path of the American juggernaut, which is always in need of war.

The evidence that radical Islam is the justification, but not the catalyst, for US invasions is simply historical precedent. Decades before the War on Terror, the late civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. spoke out against the war in Vietnam, and his words are no less relevant today:

As I have walked among the desperate, rejected, and angry young men, I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through non-violent action; but they ask and rightly so, “What about Vietnam?” They ask if our nation wasn’t using massive doses of violence to solve its problems…and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without first having spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today: my own government…

This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation’s homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death…

The time has come for America to hear the truth about this tragic war. In international conflicts, the truth is hard to come by because most nations are deceived about themselves. Rationalizations and the incessant search for scapegoats are the psychological cataracts that blind us to our sins…

Even as we commemorate Dr. King’s eloquent and timeless truths, it seems we’ve missed his essential message.

The US dominates the world through military power, maintaining over 700 bases in more than 130 countries, and is still bombing and invading nations with impunity. How is it that we view Muslims as the ones who are exceptionally violent and hellbent on taking over the world?

pro·jec·tion

: the attribution of one’s own ideas, feelings, or attitudes to other people or to objects; especially : the externalization of blame, guilt, or responsibility as a defense against anxiety.

The US has been variously bombing and starving Iraqis for more than two decades, which begs the question:  What did the nation of Iraq ever do to the United States? The answer: nothing.

How is it possible to fixate on acts of terrorism while simultaneously ignoring the colossal crimes the US has visited on the once prosperous nation of Iraq?

dou·ble stan·dard

: a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another.

de·ni·al

: negation in logic

: a psychological defense mechanism in which confrontation with a personal problem or with reality is avoided by denying the existence of the problem or reality.

Iran hasn’t attacked another country in over 200 years. Even as the US threatens to launch a war against this relatively peaceful nation, many Americans continue to view their country as peace-loving  and standing firmly on the moral high ground.

What accounts for this resilient sense of self-righteousness?

pro·pa·gan·da

: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person

: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one’s cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect

ra·tio·nal·ization

: to attribute (one’s actions) to rational and creditable motives without analysis of true and especially unconscious motives.

de·lu·sion

: a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs.

How can our critics remain virtually silent on the Western violence and simultaneously assert, “Loonwatch is protecting Jihadists and terrorists through lies of omission.”

hy·poc·ri·sy

: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion.

Defense mechanisms and relentless propaganda are the “psychological cataracts” that embolden us to criticize others and remain blind to our own faults. Refusal to take a good look in the mirror is also a lie of omission.

We condemn all acts of terrorism and the killing of innocent civilians, no matter who is responsible.

Again, our question to critics: Do you? 

Of course, the so-called “counter-jihadists” could reasonably argue that they too have a limited focus, and are, “pretty much exclusively concerned with exposing the truth about Islam…? That’s fine, as long as their criticism is truthful, proportionate, and in accordance with fair standards.

Read the following excerpts and decide if they constitute hate speech or merely tell the unvarnished truth about Islam:

The cultured peoples, both today and in the past, create and build, proving their worth as the creators and advancers of culture. Islam was and remains only the corrupter and destroyer of culture… Islam can never be great, can never create culture, for it is not a people, but rather only a corrupt mixture of inferior desert tribes with no national life or longing, with no proud and famous past.

And:

In this war for the very existence of the American people, we must daily remind ourselves that Muslims unleashed this war against us….

There is nothing cruder than the Muslim religious books: the Qur’an, the Sunnah, and the Hadith…The whole is a collection of ghost hunting and mysticism, blind cursing and the crassest egotism, an unimaginable superiority complex, sick perversity, the overturning of all natural laws, lust for murder, terror, and horror.

The Crusades, with their enormous sacrifices in the blood of northern peoples, were the result of Muslim insanity.

And:

One feels horror at the unique depravity of the Muslims, at the crimes they have committed, at the devilish hate they have from the beginning directed against all those who did not want to bow to the yoke of Islam! This horror becomes terror when one reads the Qur’anic writings and reads such outbursts of Muslim rage as one finds in the Sunnah and Hadith…..

The term “kafir? expresses the deep antipathy Muslims feel toward infidels. Despite its inferiority, Islam was able to survive over the millennia because of its satanic hatred against infidels.

Muslim hatred today is as strong as it ever was. He who does not submit is their enemy. The Muslim hates the enemy with all his heart and with all the strength of his satanic soul….

Deep and boundless hatred is an essential characteristic of Islam.

Now there is war! The Muslims forced us into a struggle for life and death. The war has forced us to give up much we formerly thought was necessary. It has also forced us to give up the “politeness? that in reality is a weakness. A boxer in the ring must use his fists to defend himself against his opponent. A fencer can only win when he uses his sword. We as a people will survive this war only if we eliminate weakness and “politeness? and respond to the Muslims with an equal hatred. We must always keep in mind what the Muslim wants today, and what he plans to do with us. If we do not oppose the Muslims with the entire energy of our people, we are lost. But if we can use the full force of our soul that has been released by the new crusade, we need not fear the future. The devilish hatred of the Muslims plunged the world into war, need and misery. Our holy hate will bring us victory and save all of mankind.

Common themes include the cultural inferiority of “desert tribes,? crude scriptures, boundless hate for infidels, unique depravity, a superiority complex, sick perversity, and lust for murder, terror, and horror. Muslims pose an existential threat, and their collective insanity is even responsible for the Crusades.

This is pretty standard fare for hate sites like Jihad Watch, Atlas Shrugs, and Frontpage Magazine. Can you guess the source?

It’s a trick question because none of these excerpts came from contemporary hate sites. All are from articles published decades ago by Nazis. Every word in bold has been modified so the passages appear to refer to Muslims instead of Jews.

You can view the original versions here, here and here. We previously published an article comparing specific statements from pre-Nazi era Antisemitic propagandist Julius Streicher and Robert Spencer, here.

That brings us to the next part of the Loonwatch mission statement:

While we find the sheer stupidity and outrageousness of the loons to be a source of invaluable comedy, we also recognize the seriousness of the danger they represent as dedicated hatemongers…

Muslims have not (yet) been subjected to pogroms or rounded up en mass and herded into internment camps, and the point is to make sure that doesn’t happen. We have learned the lessons of history.

During the Nazi era, Antisemitic propaganda resonated with many “good Germans,” just as many “good Americans” once accepted slavery and thought of Native Americans as “savages.”  Everyone outside the lunatic fringe recognizes the monstrous injustices of the past, but far fewer have the moral fortitude to recognize and speak out against the socially sanctioned injustices of the present day.

Islamophobia is the hate du jour, and hatemongers and hypocrites are enjoying a lavish feast.

 

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  • Believing Atheist

    @everyone,

    Well sadly, it is official Eric Allen Bell has become a Jihadwatcher and mouthpiece for David Horowitz. He went to the Jamie Glazov show (a radio show), to condemn Loonwatch as a terrorist spin network once again. He said some other things about Loonwatch too, which I forget because I didn’t really pay attention to the whole thing since Jamie kept on talking over him.

    Eric’s radio conversation with Jamie Glazov can be heard here:
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/radio-jihad/2012/02/01/the-jamie-glazov-show

    Robert Spencer has also praised Eric highly here:
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/jamie-glazov-show-tonight-features-eric-allen-bell-former-daily-kos-blogger-fired-for-islamophobia.html

    At one point I thought Eric could be saved. My bad!

  • Ilisha

    @Lilly

    “I love how people “conveniently? forget parts of history that do not comply with their image. Have you forgotten there HAVE BEEN Buddhist/Shinto/Etc terrorist attacks?”

    Exactly! My reply to Censorship was a bit cryptic, but that’s what I mean by “rationally defined.”

    According to loon logic (and much of the mainstream), Anders Breivik is a deranged “lone wolf” who commited a heinus act in spite of Western culture. (as khushboo also pointed out)

    A person of Muslim origin (even if secular) who does something similar is a terrorist acting “in the name of Islam,” and it’s because of Islamic culture.

    They employ a self-serving definition, which is just another form of those “psychological cataracts” MLK mentioned in his speech.

    Last time I checked, the non-Muslim Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka held the world record for suicide bombings. That doesn’t fit into the self-serving narrative, so it’s simply ignored.

  • corey

    so let me get this straight her idiotic comments are not posted and she is creating a blog to bitch about it wow that is sad when you think about it.

  • khushboo

    They are evil because of Mohammad.If some Christians are evil,It is inspite of good teaching of Christ which they don’t follow”

    So evil Christians don’t follow Christ but evil Muslims follow Muhammad (PBUH)?? How would you know anything about Muslims?! Are you psychic??!! What a hypocrite and a waste of space you are!

  • Lilly

    I love how people “conveniently” forget parts of history that do not comply with their image. Have you forgotten there HAVE BEEN Buddhist/Shinto/Etc terrorist attacks? Oh.. right.. you can relegate them to “deviants”. Ohh.. let me get my professor… he’s an Atheist and loves to talk about how there are Atheist terrorists, and religious groups performing attacks and blaming others. Happens all the time.

  • http://gmail Truth Seeker

    I agree with Sir.David Fraud.Somebody asked me my honest opinion about Muslims.I had to tell the truth because I am not a Muslim and never will be one.They are all snakes ,some more poisonous than others.They are evil because of Mohammad.If some Christians are evil,It is inspite of good teaching of Christ which they don’t follow.I have no time for cultured hypocrites Christian boot-lickers like David-the fraud.

  • http://www.inspiredbymohammad.com InspiredByMohammad

    OMG

    I wonder who these two are then, if they went to the trouble of setting up a blogger site loonwatchexposed? Could they by Geller and Spencer?

    Probably Eric Bell and Spencer :)

    They’ll be disappointed, there is nothing to ‘expose’ here.

  • JT

    Delyssandra, you have far too much time on your hands. You’re going to post comments here, hoping they won’t get published and then post them on your shitty website? That’s pathetic.

    Get a life, weirdo.

  • Ilisha

    Please don’t feed the she-troll. (I’ve been informed it’s female)

    DelyssandraUncensored posts comments on Loonwatch in the hope we won’t published them, just so she can go complain about our “censorship” on her blog:

    http://loonwatchexposed.blogspot.com/ :

    “This Section will be updated regularly, to show the ridiculous censorship at LoonWatch.com against many thoughtful commentators…”

    She’s not here to make “thoughtful” comments. She’s here to bait and derail until we run out of patience, and then cry censorship.

    @DelyssandraUncensored

    We’re under no obligation to post your inane comments. Expect them to go in the trash where they belong.

  • DelyssandraUncensored

    Inspired By Mohammed,

    I cannot speak for Censorship, but I can speak for myself, when I say that I believe Al Qaeda is practicing the fundamental teachings of Islam…that is why they are referred to as Islamic FUNDAMENTALISTS…not a watered down version.

    I am open to hearing a rebuttal from you. Why should I not believe this? I am open to reading what you have to say obectively!

  • JD

    Rank Country Military expenditure % of GDP,
    1 United States 687,105,000,000 4.7%
    2 China 114,300,000,000 2.2%

  • JD

    Censorship Says:
    January 30th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

    Muslim country has kept the Communists from taking the Southern Korean peninsula
    ———————-
    Korean wars Turkey send 5,460 of there people watch MASH sometime few episodes has Turk troops.
    ———————————————
    Censorship Says:

    Oh, and btw, isn’t it strange that we don’t have a Buddhist/Shinto/Christian transnational terrorist organization/movement similar to al-Qaeda?
    ——————————————
    IRA ,Lord Resistance Army, Kach and Kahane Chai,Babbar Khalsa ,International Sikh Youth Federation (ISYF) should I go on?

    ——————————————

    US military spending is the highest in the world by far.

    Not necessarily. Chinese spending on her military is lower largely because the wages soldiers, officers and workers to produce military equipment are paid is far lower than in the United States.

    ———————————————

    Yes and our economy tanked because we pay our guys better not because of Iraq / Afgan war + bad decision by our companys /banks

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

    Rank Country Military expenditure, 2010[2] % of GDP,
    1 United States United States 687,105,000,000 4.7%
    2 China People’s Republic of China 114,300,000,000 2.2

    ============================================

    Look at the (real) body counts in the past thirty years and you’ll see the largely impoverished and technologically challenged Muslim world has outstripped the West in body count.
    ================================

    Yes because to you muslimphobes ever killing death in ____ land done by someone or by a Dictator power hungry jerk and phyco is “Islamic”

    which is proven by your next post

    ” Censorship Says:
    January 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Btw Illisha.

    If we’re going to name countries that have military bases protecting the world or that spend millions of dollars to prevent civilian casualties

    <<<<>>>>

    then please name the religion that on a daily basis manages to churn out crazed holy warriors who strike markets, buses, hotels, places of worship, trains, airplanes, newspaper offices, apartment buildings, high rise office towers, villages,

    <<<<<<>>>>>.

    artists, satirists, politicians, novelists, members of a different sect, and peaceful demonstrators”

  • Link182

    ”And vigilantes are really police officers without a badge.”

    You’re saying that comparing the Bali bombers to American soldiers kill Afghan children for fun is wrong because the latter wear uniforms?

  • Ilisha

    @Censorship

    “Btw, Ilisha, I’d at least like to thank you for publishing my comments”.

    You’re welcome. I’m content to let visitors evaluate our respective arguments and draw their own conclusions.

    I see no need to “censor” your comments.

  • Censorship

    War is simply terrorism but wearing uniforms.

    And vigilantes are really police officers without a badge.

    Yeah, ok.

    No, it seems to be yours. When the West installs and supports a dictator, they share responsibility for his or her crimes. What’s religion got to do with it? It was the same with Pinochet, and that was a Christian country.

    I ask myself what religion has to do with Danios’ mad ravings when he describes Iraqis or Afghans as “Muslim”. Rather insulting to the non-Muslims in Iraq who have suffered hardship in my humble opinion.

    Who cares about Osama Bin Laden’s grievances? He’s dead.

    Good. Glad we don’t have to hear that 9/11 was America’s fault because a terrorist had grievances.

    Many people around the world resent US meddling and interventions. Again, not related to religion.

    Some resent the West opposing one Muslim nation from invading, occupying and committing massacres in a non-Muslim nation.

    My point was precisely the opposite–it’s a two-sided conflict. It was a civil war, not a foreign invasion. It isn’t comparable.

    Except Danios’ claim that America has been at war for X amount of years includes the American Civil War, the Revolutionary War and the war of 1812.

    Also, the death toll includes people on both sides, and it wasn’t 2 million:

    “In January 2010, The Centre for Research on the Epidemiology of Disasters published an article in a special issue of The Lancet. The article, entitled Patterns of mortality rates in Darfur Conflict,[160] estimated, with 95% confidence, that the excess number of deaths is between 178,258 and 461,520 (the mean being 298,271), with 80% of these due to diseases.“

    The Darfur conflict is not the same as Sudan’s war against the largely Christian and animist populations in the South.

    Two different conflicts Illisha.

    U.S. spending on the military last year far exceeded any other country. We spent six times more than China — the second largest spender. Overall, the world expended $1.6 trillion on the military, with the United States accounting for the lion’s share…?

    What are the salaries of Chinese soldiers and officers and workers who produce China’s military hardware?

    Everything in China is far cheaper, especially wages. Her military spending will drastically increase as China modernizes and her citizens are paid higher wages.

    Btw, Ilisha, I’d at least like to thank you for publishing my comments.

    The other moderators see themselves as the Web’s thought police (or is that vigilantes, Jack?) and censor comments that don’t tote the party line, Komrade.

    So, this will probably be my last post in this thread. I’ll be down the road over at the other website. Jackie boy can pick up in the thread over there he fled from.

  • Géji

    > “Did it also cross your little minds that we’re on the same side here, and that you gain nothing by antagonising potential allies?”

    @Inspired, please don’t give her unmerited hope, she cannot be on “our side”, nor our “potential allies”, if she doesn’t denounce her bigotry towards Muslims first, then denounce Western aggression and professional terrorism, and denounce the ethnic-cleansing of Palestinians, and denounce all form of bigotry directed against any human being… The key of being one of LoonWatch allies is not just to denounce few terrorist acts done by Muslims, but all terrorist acts, starting the US of A, until then she’s not on our side.

  • Ilisha

    @Believing Atheist

    “Was this article inspired in part by my conversations with Twiceasnice and Reader on the thread: “Marine Gets Three Months in Jail for Massacring Two Dozen Civilians??

    Do you mean your comments about Iraq? In this case, we just happened to have strikingly similar views. We also share similar views on universal human rights.

    Although we don’t always agree, I do find many of your posts interesting and thought-provoking.

  • Sam Seed

    Great article Illisha, makes good sense.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 5:32) Warning Contains Irony

    Dear Censorship
    Who are these muslims ?
    I suspect that you would be quite upset if I lumped all christains together and looked at them all as one bunch .
    Such as adding all the military spending of europe and Russia together plus deaths with that of the USA.
    You seems to live in a world were only you can define people .
    Lets try this idea .
    Islam is a religion .
    Muslims are the followers of this religion .
    Muslims come in a number of sects .
    They are not all the same
    (That was not too difficult or complicated for you was it ?)
    Politics is differant , countries are not the same as religions.
    (Are you still following this thread of ideas ?)
    Thus Usa is to France what Alergia is to Malaysia .
    There is no single muslim nation nor is there is no single christain nation
    Why not let muslims define themselves rather that let an outsider such as you define them ? Or wht should we let you have the power to define others and accept your definition that is against common sence?

  • http://www.inspiredbymohammed.com Inspired by Mohammad

    PS: In response to the claim ‘you Muslims never speak out against Al-Queda’ the following is my own condemnation of their actions:

    What I want to know is if Censorship/Delyssandra,and their ilk have actualy come across any Muslims who do support AQ. If they have, they will not likely be in these kind of forums, so you two are wasting your time.

    It would be interesting to see if these people actually have a real life exchange with people who support these views. So Censorship/Delyssandra have you? You two saying these kind of things here, is just preaching to the choir. Nobody here supports those views.

    You need to say them to people who believe in them, not those who don’t. Did that ever cross your little minds? Did it also cross your little minds that we’re on the same side here, and that you gain nothing by antagonising potential allies?

  • bin dead awhile

    @ ILisha, what can I say but superb. i am not one to be speechless, but this time, i am. May the almighty increase your knowledge(not that its lacking 😉 ). Rabbi Zidni Ilma. Ameen.

  • The Cake Is A Lie

    I’m beginning to think that speaking out against Islamic terror is counter-productive. Muslims can yell against Al Qaeda until they lose their voice and it still will not make any difference to the Islamophoboes who will always deny that Muslims speak out against terrorism. I think its time Muslims as a whole stop being compliant to Islamophobic demands and start to speak out against Islamophobia itself.

    By the way Ilisha, loved the article!

  • Believing Atheist

    @Censorship,

    You claim that: “I’d prefer Muslims to have drones over suicide bombing Mosques, churches and temples.”

    If that’s true then please pressure and petition your govt to give Muslim countries drone technology. Just to verify that you indeed pressured and petitioned your country (which I suspect is my country, the U.S.) please link your petition in the next post so that we all can see it.

    I hope you don’t chicken out of this. Remember this is your preference and your fantasy. I want you to fulfill it.

  • Ilisha

    @Censorship

    “Is that your get out of jail card or something?”

    No, it seems to be yours. When the West installs and supports a dictator, they share responsibility for his or her crimes. What’s religion got to do with it? It was the same with Pinochet, and that was a Christian country.

    —-

    You beg to differ on whether you’re digging in the historical archive?

    Indonesia’s 25-year occupation of East Timor ended in 1999.

    —-

    Who cares about Osama Bin Laden’s grievances? He’s dead.

    Many people around the world resent US meddling and interventions. Again, not related to religion.

    —-

    “I see. The wars the United States has been in were all one sided conflicts. Good point.”

    No, it’s not a very good point, and it wasn’t mine.

    My point was precisely the opposite–it’s a two-sided conflict. It was a civil war, not a foreign invasion. It isn’t comparable.

    Also, the death toll includes people on both sides, and it wasn’t 2 million:

    “In January 2010, The Centre for Research on the Epidemiology of Disasters published an article in a special issue of The Lancet. The article, entitled Patterns of mortality rates in Darfur Conflict,[160] estimated, with 95% confidence, that the excess number of deaths is between 178,258 and 461,520 (the mean being 298,271), with 80% of these due to diseases.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Darfur#cite_note-159

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    “Oh, and btw, isn’t it strange that we don’t have a Buddhist/Shinto/Christian transnational terrorist organization/movement similar to al-Qaeda?

    No, not if you know the origins of al-Qaeda and rationally define “terrorism.”

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    “Chinese spending on her military is lower largely because the wages soldiers…

    Your military spending analysis is…novel. I like to go with facts:

    “A new report released today by SIPRI, a Swedish-based think tank, reveals that U.S. military spending has almost doubled since 2001. The U.S. spent an astounding $698 billion on the military last year, an 81% increase over the last decade.

    U.S. spending on the military last year far exceeded any other country. We spent six times more than China — the second largest spender. Overall, the world expended $1.6 trillion on the military, with the United States accounting for the lion’s share…”

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/04/11/157596/military-spending-doubled-since-2001/?mobile=nc

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    “I’d prefer Muslims to have drones over suicide bombing Mosques, churches and temples.

    You would???

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    “For some reason I don’t believe we’ll be seeing any attempt by Muslims to spend hundreds of millions of dollars devising technologies to limit civilian casualties.

    Oh, btw, you forgot to mention that in your post. Wonder why.

    Keep wondering. I suspect explaining won’t help.

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    That’s enough fun for one day. I’ll let readers evaluate the rest of your “arguments” for themselves.

  • http://www.bandofstrangers.org Jack Cope

    PS: In response to the claim ‘you Muslims never speak out against Al-Queda’ the following is my own condemnation of their actions:

    http://thepenofawanderingstranger.com/personal/a-short-note-on-al-queda-et-all/

    There are thousands if not hundreds of thousands more

    Jack

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