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Rupert Murdoch Says – All Muslims Must Be Held Responsible for Atrocities Like Paris

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A “proverbial left uppercut”?

Rupert Murdoch Says – All Muslims Must Be Held Responsible for Atrocities Like Paris

Just as people were nodding off and occassionally checking their Twitter feed, media Mogul Rupert Murdoch threw a proverbial left uppercut that woke up many a Twitter user. This is the comment that he posted at 2 am this morning.

In fact, just yesterday evening Guardian journalist Jonathan Freedland posted this excellent article in which he stated that,

“It follows that our responsibility is to thwart that effort. For Muslims, that has meant spelling out that these killers speak only for themselves. Note the speed with which a delegation of 20 imams visited the Charlie Hebdo offices, branding the gunmen “criminals, barbarians, satans” and, crucially, “not Muslims”.

Of course they should not have to do it. The finger-wagging demand that Muslims condemn acts of terror committed by jihadist cultists is odious: it tacitly assumes that Muslims support such horror unless they explicitly say otherwise. The very demand serves to drive a wedge between Muslims and their fellow citizens. (As it happens, Jews have some experience of this feeling: we too are sometimes told we have to condemn this or that action taken by others – and over which we have no control – if our place in polite society is to be secure.)”

Twitter responses to the media mogul’s comments were if anything, gems of their own.


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  • Reynardine

    Wrong.

  • golden izanagi

    “you wont see anything good in muslims, I’m sure of that” really now?
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4613549,00.html
    I mean I’m really asking I wont find any stories about muslims doing acts of good at all even if I did a simple google search
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/08/muslim-group-detroit-water_n_6437506.html like at all?

  • Matt

    What about the wind?

    The grains of sand analogy reminded me of this criticism of the Muslims who occupied Spain, in James Michener’s book, Iberia, starting at the last paragraph on pg. 188, specifically that the Moors (who were Muslims) imparted to the Spaniards a strong value of individualism, and consequently, in Michener’s words, “that Spain’s proven incapacity to govern herself in the responsible French-English-American pattern is due primarily to her extended experience with Muslims, who fragmented their own holdings into a score of petty principalities…” The context shows he’s blaming certain cultural aspects of those Muslims rather than Islam per se, but I think it’s easy to see how a value of fierce individualism can be reinforced by the Qur’an for people who already hold that value. All this, taken at face value, only explains why the wind can so easily manipulate the sand.

    (I suspect that many Loonwatchers, with a richer understanding of the history of the many Muslims, might argue why the above shouldn’t be taken at face value.)

    One typically liberal opinion that I hold is that people are, in important ways, products of their environments. This contrasts, rather indirectly, with a typically conservative opinion that people are responsible for their own outcomes. In politics these opinions seem more diametrically opposed than they really are.

    Taken to its extreme, the liberal opinion would lead to the conclusion that no individual should be held morally responsible for anything. People’s personalities are culturally emergent artifacts, and all problems are caused by the working structure of the collective. The conservative opinion at its extreme leads to the conclusion that no individual is at all accountable for problems which aren’t attributable to him; so he’s not at all accountable for the results of the collective he’s in.

    I reject both extremes, but no place in the middle of this linear spectrum satisfies me either. I tend to believe that the philosophical models at anyone’s disposal at this point in our intellectual evolution are inadequate to explicate the problem enough to even see a plausible theoretical solution to such social problems. The linear spectrum is a one dimensional model; if a person assessed this problem via a three dimensional model I’d be impressed with his intellectual ability, but I’d still be skeptical if that’s enough; maybe the more dimensions the better, i.e., maybe this evolution of philosophical model making is one that leads to truly better solutions; or maybe not. Anyway, I believe the person who thinks he sees the problem clearly is delusional, and he who fights uncompromisingly for a specific solution is a menace to society.

  • Hate_the_haterz

    ” I was in a woman’s washroom once they told me it was a No Go zone.”

    Lol. How unwelcoming. Maybe they didn’t like your pants?

  • Hate_the_haterz

    “don’t know if I can fully agree. The statement is true in principle but not in practice.”

    Yes it is true in practice as well. The reason you likely see more dignitaries/elite in pictures of prayers is because they are the reason the pics are being taken. People don’t show up to mosques randomly and take pictures for no reason. There are no dignitaries or elite sitting in the front row at mosques I’ve ever been to. Just older, more hardcore (strict with their prayers) gentlemen. Speakers and hafiz (memorized the quran) are also more often in the front rows, because that just makes sense (if they’re the ones speaking or reciting or correcting). Even if they were, I don’t think that would be tribalism. I mean, I think of tribalism as (for example) only Arabs are allowed in the front row, or to lead prayer, or give the Khutba (Friday sermon); or only whites, etc… Anyone and everyone sits in the front and as far as speaking and leading congregation, whoever is qualified. Am I thinking of a different definition of tribalism than you?

    As far as who dominates the media headlines… Yes I think Palestine does tend to get more coverage than other communities. But I think there are reasons other than tribalism at play. For one thing the Palestinian struggle actually runs across religious lines. For example, there are many Palestinian Christians opposed to the occupation as well. So it is not exclusively a Muslim struggle. Also, it may have to do with population. I don’t have official census numbers, but I’m pretty sure there are more Palestinians living in the west than say Uiygurs or Rhohingya. So they naturally have more access to western media. And who knows? Perhaps they are just more vocal than some other communities. That’s not a bad thing.

  • Hate_the_haterz

    “Seems you accept that conversion do takes place”.

    So? What’s so remarkable about that? People convert into and out of many faiths. Are you confusing conversion and ‘forced’ conversion? Because Guinness was documenting voluntary conversion. Forced conversion is not permitted in Islam. “There is no compulsion in religion,” Quran 2: 256.

  • Friend of Bosnia

    Since we are talking percentage of Muslims, may I remind you that Visegrad, among other towns in Eastern Bosnia (now re-named “RS”) there actually was a Muslim majority (of about or over 60%) until in early 1992 some people whose name I won’t mention violently took over the town and ethnically cleansed it by rounding up those Muslims, murdering about 3000 of them in cold blood and throwing their corpses into the river so that the waters ran red, raping only God knows how many of their women and then sending the rest away with just the clothing on their backs. If that’s not genocide then I don’t know what is.
    And to add insult to injury: the survivors had set up a memorial stone (on the Muslim graveyard which is private) And what did the … so-and-so’s do? Forcefully erase the inscription. As if through that evil stupid and futile gesture they could make their evil deed undone. But then they’re ever so insecure, they have this compulsive need to always rewrite history.

  • Friend of Bosnia

    Oh, you naughty boy!

  • Friend of Bosnia

    Oh, cry me a river, you poor, poor guy. Did you really expect that if you come here spreading venom and insult we will kiss your backsid…, er hem of your garments? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

  • Friend of Bosnia

    That you DARE having me pay the price for the actions of others. That’s collectivism. Who endorses collectivism can only be an evil person.

  • Friend of Bosnia

    Well, what do you want? You come here and make disparaging and insulting remarks, then the least you should expect is that you get your wrist slapped, symbolically speaking.
    At least I do not go to anti-Muslim web sites to insult and provoke them, much as they deserve it. So kindly refrain from treading on my corns.

  • Friend of Bosnia

    C’mon, give it a rest, will ya?

  • Friend of Bosnia

    Same to you. Too bad that you can’t be mase to experience for just one single day what Bosniaks had to go through dor dour years, then you’d understand.

  • The greenmantle

    The other voice inside his/her head .

    Sir David

  • Ilisha

    Islam is not tribal. Muslims sometimes are.

    Arabia at the time of the Prophet was VERY tribal. They were supposed to be united as equals, brothers and sisters in Islam. That’s the doctrine. The practice is far from perfect.

  • golden izanagi

    so this man should man should be held responsible for something some idiots on the other side of the world did http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/05/ehab-sadeek-boston-victims-donation_n_3391508.html also Murdoch is a “sage” for some reason I’m having a hard time not laughing at that.

  • Reynardine

    When a hamburger is firebombed, you put ketchup on it.

  • Reynardine

    Actually, given that you have been drivelling on, I’d say this moderator has been most forbearing.

  • Reynardine

    I think taqiyyas are too spicy for this guy. I bet he won’t even put mustard on his jihadi dogs.

  • Ilisha

    Seems you accept that conversion do takes place, that’s a start unlike the mod who totally rejected it.

    Not really. I wrote:

    ..There are some converts out and some converts in…

    http://www.loonwatch.com/2015/01/rupert-murdoch-says-all-muslims-must-be-held-responsible-for-atrocities-like-paris/#comment-1788583085

  • Reynardine

    You actually are a pumb drick.

  • Reynardine

    Is this a put-on, or can you possibly be such a pumb drick?

  • Trimmercastle42
  • Capt. JB Hennessy

    Very well stated. Perhaps then Rupert can apologize for making me have to order “Freedom Fries” instead of “French Fries”.

  • Friend of Bosnia

    I WILL NOT GIVE UP MY FAITH EVEN IF YOU POINT A GUN AT MY HEAD!!!!
    Why should I kneel before you? I have NOTHING whatsoever to be ashamed of. I don’t regret ANYTHING!
    I don’t go around forcing my views and convictions on others! I only demand the same degree of respect you lot are always screeching about. Respect my human dignity!
    I’m not asking you to like me, nor to love me, nor to endorse my views. I only demand of you that you don’t tread on me.
    I’m not responsible for ANYTHING anybody else than ME has done!
    I REJECT WHAT YOU ENDORSE, COLLECTIVISM. Collectivism is inhuman, fascist, unacceptable, it should be erased from ther face of the earth!

    I see what bothers you is the mere fact that I exist, that I’m there, that my brothers and sisters are there. And do you know something? I’m not doing you the favor of going away anytime soon. You try to take me out and I will have lead and steel to prevent you from doing it!

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