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Jews And Muslims: It’s Complicated (IV)

Tinghir

“Tinghir” where Muslim-Jewish coexistence flourished for many years.

Original guest post

By Mehdi

Read Part I, II and III in this series

The separation

After the creation of Israel, Arab populations were overwhelmingly opposed to any appeasement with the state, especially in the context of the massive eviction of two thirds of the Palestinian population (a proper ethnic cleansing as stated by Israeli historian Illan Pappe).

Many Arab Jews were also radically Anti-Zionist, such as the prominent political activist Henri Curiel. Curiel formed an important network to support the struggle of several liberation movements, including the Algerian FLN during the war of independence against the French. A recent documentary on Egyptian Jews mentions his unheeded warnings to Gamal Abdel-Nasser regarding the 1956 French-British-Israeli aggression. His murder in 1978 remains unresolved, though recent revelations suggest that he was the victim of a former French-Algeria nostalgic.

Other Anti-Zionist personalities included individuals such as Abraham Serfaty and Chehata Haroun, who refused to leave Egypt and had the following written on his grave:

“Every human being has several identities. I am a human being. I am Egyptian when Egyptians are suffering, I am black when blacks are suffering, I am Jewish when Jews are suffering and I am a Palestinian when Palestinians are suffering.”

Most Arab countries witnessed riots and unrest following the combination of the birth of Israel and the Nakba. These riots took place in a context of existing unrest, as most Arab countries were fighting for their independence. In Morocco, for instance, several riots targeted Jews after the 1948 events, but other riots and violent attacks also targeted French settlers during the same period.

While there were several dimensions to violence in Arab countries at the time, these events were still frightening to many Arab Jews who started thinking of leaving their countries. Israel also deployed several means to either convince or simply push Arab Jews to emigration; the law of return was enacted partly for that sake.

In Arab states, the Israeli Mossad deployed many operations, from financial arrangements, propaganda, to covert operations that included deliberate sabotage.

In parallel, the rise of Arab nationalist discourse pushing for independence, and strongly opposed to any Western imperialist interference did not build an inclusive discourse for minorities (whether Jewish, Armenian, Greek, or others), despite the initial efforts of leaders such as Habib Bourguiba in Tunisia, or King Mohammed 5 in Morocco.

Jews-Morocco The growing tensions within Arab countries, during the independence struggle (as in Algeria), or against Israel (as in the 1956 Suez aggression by Israel, France, and the UK against Egypt) put Jews in an uncomfortable situation, sometimes used as scapegoats, and sometimes pressed to loudly proclaim their allegiance and loyalty. The distance between Jews and their compatriots grew larger and many started to leave, either towards Israel or Western countries.

  • In Morocco, from 1948 until the country’s independence in 1956, Israel’s interest was not great and the French colonial authorities turned a blind eye. After the 1956 independence, King Mohamed 5 wanted to maintain Jewish presence in the country (he had taken several stands to protect Moroccan Jews against Vichy laws during WW2), and refused any type of cooperation with Israeli authorities; departures were then mostly clandestine. After his death in 1961, King Hassan 2 cooperated with the Mossad to push Moroccan Jews to expatriate, this was part of a large deal involving security arrangements, sales of weapons and exchange of intelligence labelled Operation Arche and confirmed by figures such as historian Yigal Bin-Nun. No expelling of Jews happened and many Moroccan Jews chose to go live in Canada and France, but the consequence is that the majority of the 300,000 Jews who lived in Morocco when the country became independent are now gone.
  • In Egypt, there were episodes of riots and violence against Jews, but the Lavon affair showed that the Israeli secret services also deliberately conducted sabotage operations (and not only in Egypt) to scare people into leaving. The attitude of the Egyptian authorities was mostly repressive (in a context where Nasser and the free officers had just reached power and were eager to demonstrate a strong stance towards British imperialism, before the 1956 Suez aggression). Minorities such as Greeks, Armenians, or Jews were targeted and smeared as Trojan horses for imperialism and Zionism and gradually became scapegoats and targets of aggressive rhetoric. These stances scared Egyptian Jews who felt they would not be sufficiently protected, and convinced most of them that they would be better off leaving.
  • In Iraq and Syria there had been episodes of violence during WW2, such as the horrible 1941 Baghdad pogrom (which happened in the context of a British intervention to topple the Iraqi government). In 1951, the Iraqi Government established a law that made the advocating of Zionism or belonging to a Zionist organization a crime and ordered the expulsion of Jews who refused to sign a statement of anti-Zionism, the implementation of such a law in an arbitrary dictatorial regime made it easy to target anyone and put Iraqi Jews under pressure. The combination of Mossad covert operations and incendiary nationalist discourse and violence (not only directed at Jews but also towards Shiites, Christians and other minorities) led most Jews to leave their country.
  • Countries like Algeria and Tunisia saw most Jews choosing to go live in France. The effects of the growing social divide resulting from the Crémieux decree in Algeria, the atmosphere of the fratricidal independence warfare made the situation dangerous for any person assumed as linked to French colonialism. It also forced most Muslim “harki” collaborationists to flee the country (while several others were massacred after being abandoned by the French army). Overall, the Jews’ departure in both these countries is part of the general emigration that took place at independence and not really the result of specific Anti-Jewish campaigns. On the other hand, the 1963 Algerian nationality code stated that a pre-condition for citizenship was having Muslim paternal fathers and grandfathers; Jews had to undergo a special process to request citizenship. Such a measure was not only insulting for the many Jews who had fought for independence, it sent a signal to most Jews that they had little to no room in the future of the country and convinced them to emigrate.
  • In Iran, while some emigration took place, many Jews still live there even after the 1979 revolution, they have the possibility to travel every year to visit their relatives in Israel, usually via. Turkey, with both Israeli and Iranian authorities choosing to turn a blind eye.

These examples do not offer a comprehensive outlook of Jewish emigrations from Arab and Middle Eastern countries (the Wikipedia page on this topic offers good context) but they give some perspective. Unlike in Palestine in 1948, there never was any organized campaign to expel Arab Jews, the failure of Arab nationalists in particular and state leaders in general is that they didn’t convince them to stay and failed to give them confidence about their place in the new nations.

The claims that Arab Jews were massively expelled has to be looked at as Israeli counter-propaganda to establish a moral equivalent with the fate of Palestinians in 1948.

Still, the sad fact is that by the end the 1960s, the overwhelming majority of Arab Jews had left their country, either moving to Israel or to Western countries such as the USA, Canada and France. They were now separated from their Muslim compatriots, which meant a loss to most Arab countries, whose diversity was an immense source of cultural wealth, and whose national narrative had now shifted to a chauvinistic narrow discourse.

On the other hand, Arab Jews did not receive a particularly great welcome in Israel, where they underwent significant discrimination by the Israeli authorities, mirroring a Western-Oriental divide between Israelis, where the establishment (symbolized by Askhenazi Europeans) discriminated against Arab-speaking immigrants.

The discrimination they suffered is still a bad memory for many “Oriental Jews” who created protest movements such as the Israeli Black Panthers and have overwhelmingly voted against the Labor party since. Wounds have begun to heal with the increasing integration of Arab Jews into Israeli society.

MizrahiThe 1967 war and the crushing of Arab armies by the Israeli offensive went one stage further in widening the gap and the nature of the conflict. On the Israeli side, it gave a morale boost to the religious right and helped them pressure the government to allow and fund massive settlement building in the occupied territories, thus increasing their political importance in the Israeli social-political landscape.

On the Arab side, the 1967 defeat was a massive blow to the Arab nationalist movement, which had many flaws, was authoritarian, but was still trying to build some form of Arab autonomy while trying to provide room for minorities. The defeat gave way to the rise of Muslim conservative and fundamentalist movements, whose discourse provided little to no room for minorities, especially Jews. In both cases, the results were disastrous for whoever favored coexistence.

Beside the increased divide, there was also the emergence of Anti-Semitism, often borrowed from Western Anti-Semitism. This discourse is punctuated by invitations and publicity for: holocaust deniers such as Roger Garaudy and Robert Faurrisson in Lebanon and Iran, successful sales of purely Anti-Semitic propaganda such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or even Mein Kampf in Lebanon and Egypt, conspiracy theories about 9/11 being a Jewish plot, several shameful talk shows or TV series such as the Egyptian “Horseless rider” (the plot stars a virtual horseman who slays the “Zionist dragon” and denounces a “Jewish conspiracy against Palestine” inspired by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion).

In Western societies there has also been a limited but real rise in Anti-Semitism among some Muslim communities. In the UK, it was acknowledged and condemned by Mehdi Hasan, and this tendency also exists in other European countries, as shown in the recent violent events in Sarcelles, following summer protests against the war on Gaza, the kosher market attack in Paris, or the attack on a synagogue in Copenhagen.

The scale of these events is subject to manipulation (Islamophobes tend to exaggerate their scale while a tendency for denial exists on the other end of the spectrum), but in any case they represent a very worrisome trend and regression. The increase in Anti-Semitism should be fought and condemned, as it was by prominent critics of Israeli policies, such as Lebanese writer Elias Khoury, or Beirut based reporter Robert Fisk, and the late Edward Said, whose words remain as relevant as ever.

Why do we expect the world to believe our sufferings as Arabs if we cannot recognize the sufferings of others, even of our oppressors, and we cannot deal with facts that trouble simplistic ideas of the sort propagated by bien-pensants intellectuals who refuse to see the relationship between the holocaust and Israel. Again, let me repeat that I cannot accept the idea that the holocaust excuses Zionism for what it has done to Palestinians: far from it. I say exactly the opposite, that by recognizing the holocaust for the genocidal madness that it was, we can then demand from Israelis and Jews the right to link the holocaust to Zionist injustices towards the Palestinian, link and criticise the link for its hypocrisy and flawed moral logic.

But to support the efforts of Roger Garaudy and his holocaust-denying friends in the name of “freedom of opinion” is a silly ruse that discredits us more than we already are discredited in the world’s eyes for our incompetence, our failure to fight a decent battle, our radical misunderstanding of history and the world we live in. Why don’t we fight harder for freedom of opinions in our own societies, a freedom, no one needs to be told, that scarcely exists?

When I mentioned the holocaust in an article I wrote last November, I received more stupid vilification than I ever thought possible; one famous intellectual even accused me of trying to gain a certificate of good behaviour from the Zionist lobby. Of course, I support Garaudy’s right to say what he pleases and I oppose the wretched loi Gayssot under which he was prosecuted and condemned). But I also think that what he says is trivial and irresponsible, and when we endorse it, it allies us necessarily with Le Pen and all the retrograde right-wing fascist elements in French society.

No, our battle is for democracy and equal rights, for a secular commonwealth or state in which all the members are equal citizens, in which the concept underlying our goal is a secular notion of citizenship and belonging, not some mythological essence or an idea that derives its authority from the remote past, whether that past is Christian, Jewish or Muslim. As I said, the genius of Arab civilization at its height in, say, Andalusia was its multicultural, multi-religious and multi-ethnic diversity. That is the ideal that should be moving our efforts now, in the wake of an embalmed, and dead Oslo, and an equally dead rejectionism. The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life, as the Bible says.

As a mirror effect, Islamophobia has also risen to the point of becoming common among political parties in many Western countries and in Israel. It has been promoted by many organizations, including several Zionist pro-Israeli support groups, who fully embrace the concept of the so-called “war on terror.”

Loonwatch has done thorough work debunking these Islamophobic campaigns, there is no need to list them. Nevertheless, the striking aspect is how organizations with different agendas and objectives, such as US and European pro-Israeli support groups, neoconservative intellectuals, European extreme right wing parties, and some personalities coming from the left wing all stand side by side on an ideological anti-Muslim crusade.

Historically, the horrors of the holocaust have positioned many Jewish intellectuals and political organizations at the forefront of Anti-racist and other universal struggles (such as the protection of Bosnian Muslims during the horrific ethnic cleansing and massacres in the 1990s). This history makes it sad to notice that several Jewish mainstream organizations (such as the French CRIF) have either kept silent if not actually supported Islamophobic campaigns.

In 2002, after Jean Marie Le Pen reached the second round of the French presidential election, the president of the CRIF (representative body for Jewish organizations in France) declared that this was a signal for Muslims to keep quiet, completely forgetting about the Anti-Semitic dimension of Le Pen’s party. In perspective, mirroring Anti-Semitic regression among Muslims, a regressive Islamophobic trend has also emerged among Jews, as many prominent intellectuals and organizations are so blinded by their unconditional support for any Israeli policy that they openly befriend populist parties that have a heavy Anti-Semitic past. One illustrative example of this paradox is when Israeli foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman received a delegation of extreme right wing parties in 2010, including personalities such as Geert Wilders, Belgian Philippe Dewinter, Swedish Kent Ekeroth, or representatives from the Danish people’s party.

It remains the case that contemporary politics in Israel and the Arab world are dominated by movements that are either not interested in promoting multi-faith coexistence (if they are not actively fighting it). This is the case for most Arab regimes, and both nationalist and Muslim conservative movements.

The outlook is similarly ugly for the Zionist spectrum, now strongly leaning to the right (if not the extreme right), where racist discourse has become mainstream. Discourse in favor of coexistence with the Israeli Arab minority and Palestinians in the occupied territories is largely only promoted by what is termed the “extreme left wing” and some prominent figures such as former Knesset chairman Avraham Burg, veteran peace activist Uri Avnery, journalists such as Amira Hass or Gideon Levy, and other pacifists.

For Muslims and Jews who had coexisted for years, the resulting situation and tensions we see today are purely depressing; this leaves the question of what to do.

What now?

As shown above, separation between Muslims and Jews in the Muslim world is now a fact and will be difficult to reverse. The wounds of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and the post-9/11 atmosphere has created suspicion and distance. The relationship is not completely broken but a lot of work has to be done in order to fix things.

As explained in the introduction of this article series, my view of history is driven by my personal background and my family’s positive experiences. Obviously, my narrative is quite subjective. I am sure that many people will disagree, either with the overall perspective, or with some specific details, what I hope most people will agree with me is about the urgency of inventing new forms of coexistence.

While Jewish/Muslim relations are not monolithic, and are driven by local considerations, many points need to be highlighted. First of all, coexistence should be reinvented, the terms of coexistence that existed a few centuries ago are not applicable to the modern world; Jews and Muslims both expect equality. Coexistence will happen in different places from the past, while it existed mostly in Arab and Muslim lands before, it is now more likely to happen in Western countries and in Israel/Palestine, as these are the places where significant Jewish/Muslim communities tend to live side by side (for instance in France, the United States, Israel/Palestine, the United Kingdom or Netherlands).

Building a new model of coexistence also goes hand in hand with a common fight against bigotry. Jewish and Muslim anti-racist organizations should help each other more when Anti-Semitism or Islamophobia emerges, this already occurs, but it has to happen systematically. The sight of Jews supporting Islamophobia or Muslims supporting Anti-Semitism is a pure disgrace and at odds with history, this has to be fought fiercely.

Common Jewish/Muslim initiatives, whether involving history seminars, arts, sports, or any concrete project should be encouraged, people (especially the youth) should be given more opportunities to meet and talk. Bigotry and hostility towards others are less likely when they have a face, a name, and when they can be related to with an anecdote or joke. Creating sustainable relations between people is what helps solve problems.

Most of all, no long term solution can be considered if it does not include a fair and sustainable solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, a solution that addresses the plight and suffering of the Palestinians, whether the ones in the occupied territories, in Israel, or the refugees, and addresses their political rights to self-determination and independence.

Such solutions should also provide assurance to Jews that they can live safely and in peace with their neighbors. Arab Jews who want to live in Arab countries should also be given the opportunity to do so. Whether a solution involves a single state or a two-state solution is a different matter (the prospect of a two-state solution is more unlikely than ever).

Despite the legitimate criticism that can be made of Palestinian organizations such as Hamas, the Israeli government’s attitude, its unrestrained usage of violence and its settlement policy are the main hurdles.

The recent horror of the Gaza massacre shows that this is not an even fight, just as peace was achieved in South Africa by addressing the suffering of the victims of apartheid, the focus should be about protecting the Palestinians and guaranteeing their rights. If this doesn’t change, no good can be expected, and things will keep going downhill for Jewish-Muslim relationships.

Prospects look dark for now, intellectuals who identify themselves as “Liberal Zionists” need to face the political and ideological contradictions that they have been evading regarding the peace framework that they want to establish, and their vision about how to guarantee Palestinians’ rights and end their suffering. As peace activist Uri Avnery had once put it in 2008:

… Something like this is now happening to the Revisionists themselves. They ask for three things: a Jewish State, a state that encompasses all of historic Palestine and a democratic state. That is too much even for God. So a Revisionist must choose two of the three: a Jewish and democratic state in only a part of the country, a Jewish state in all the country that will not be democratic, or a democratic state in all the country that will not be Jewish. This dilemma has not changed over the last 41 years.

6 years later, the dilemma is still as relevant as ever, but the first option (a Jewish and democratic state in one part of the country) which would guarantee two states is less likely, the points raised by Avnery still require an answer and cannot be evaded any longer.

Beside the Israeli-Palestinian front, more effort should be put on teaching common Jewish/Muslim history. In his book “Defeating Hitler”, former Knesset chairman Avraham Burg had suggested the Israeli education system to focus more on positive experiences such as Andalusia, to show children that Jewish history is not only made of tragedies.

Similarly, in Muslim countries, especially the ones that have a strong Jewish history, children should learn more about the multi-faith and multi-cultural dimension of their past. This does not mean that the negative moments and periods (explained above) should be evaded, quite the contrary, tensions begin and grow in the shadows when such topics are avoided.

These suggestions may sound naïve and insufficient to some, especially in light of the never ending tragedy unfolding in the holy land, but they are a positive, practical first step; it would be unforgivable not to try .

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To conclude this overview, I would like to come back to two people who symbolize better than anyone else the profound sense of coexistence and tolerance.

The first person is named Yacout and appears in Kamal Hachkar’s movie “Tinghir Jerusalem” mentioned in the beginning of this article. This Jewish Amazigh lady was born in Kelaat Mgouna in south east of Morocco and grew in Casablanca, dressed like any Moroccan woman, she emigrated to Israel and made an unplanned but magnificent appearance in the movie. Speaking with emotion about her fond memories of her childhood in Morocco (sending virtual kisses whenever mentioning Muslims) and how well she remembers her Muslim neighbors (apologies, video is in Arabic/Hebrew with French subtitles), and simply expresses her despair about why land is subject to such hatred.

The second person is called Lahcen, a Moroccan Muslim Berber not far away from Tarudant in the south, who, in the 1950s made a promise to his Jewish friend, Moshe, on the point of emigrating to Israel. From then on, he would look after Moshe’s family’s graves, regularly buying paint to maintain Jewish scriptures and made a point of sticking to his promise.

Lahcen These two wonderful people unfortunately passed away in 2014, they are anonymous people who witnessed the devastating effects that history can have on people’s lives. They weren’t prominent intellectuals or scholars who could speak at length about history, but they both had their own simple words, and humble way of practicing tolerance and the best of what our civilizations have produced.

Now that this generation is slowly leaving the stage, the challenge we face is to keep their message alive and reinvent it in the context of our time. In other words, the challenge is to renew and reinvent peace/shalom/salam.

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    • Mehdi

      Most of your points are accurate but I think that there is little to demonstrate massive popularity of fascism, it’s mostly anti-colonialism, and in many cases it didn’t lead to real collaboration. Comparatively, Ukrain provided much more support for instance to SS units or to nazis as a whole, or take south east Asia and how the Japanese were originally received. But in the end, very interesting argument. And btw, even if I’m proud of Moroccan troops’ achievements during WW2 (one of my best childhood memories was hearing a Moroccan veteran telling me his WW2 memories while fishing in the south), Algerians also deserve also credit for their achievements there. Another story, Mbarek El Bekkay, Morocco’s first post-independence prime minister lost his leg fighting german troops in France in 1940 and spent several months as a war prisoner. There are so many such stories.

    • Mehdi

      You make a lot of points, some I agree with and some less, but your views are well articulated. I just want to respond on nazi propaganda and Hussaini. There is no denying that there were some Arab nationalists who were attracted by fascism and even considered allying with the nazis during WW2, that has to be looked at from 2 angles: 1) This tendency was universal and not specific to the Arab world then, whether in Western or Eastern Europe, South East Asia, Latin America, etc. Fascim was a strong political current and was also seen as an alternative in colonized nations through the wrong but usual discourse of “My enemy’s enemy is my friend”. In general that was as far as it went for most Arab nationalists, they just considered allying or discussing with the Germans (as several Asians did the same with the Japanese only to realize they were no better). In some sense, even a Zionist movement such as Lehi considered discussing with the nazis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28group%29 2) In general, the overwhelming majority of Arab movements were on the side of the allies by a huge margin. I will come back below to Husseini but the only Muslim pro-nazi units he built up operated in Yugoslavia and were involved in local fighting, their impact was marginal, comparatively, north African fighters provided a massive figthing force for the French and played a key role in Italy (especially the Monte Cassino battle), during the liberation of southern France or when crossing the Rhine. The only country where there was a strong political movement leaning towards nazism was Iraq and that didn’t last long during WW2. Al Hussaini is a good example but his role is much more a contemporary tool used to establish some form of Arab involvement in the holocaust than a leader with a key role. What did he accomplish during WW2? His role was minor during the 1936-39 intifada, he seeked support form Hitler, who used him for propaganda reasons, but apart from creating some SS units in Yugoslavia, he had no active role nor any results to claim credit for, he was a minor pathetic opportunistic self-proclaimed leader and is being given a strong role, mostly for pro-israeli contemporary political purposes. As Gilbert Achcar points out “the entry on the mufti in the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, published in association with Yad Vashem (the Holocaust remembrance authority), is much longer than those on Himmler, Goebbels or Eichmann, and only a little shorter than that on Hitler”. Yes, longer than Himmler, Goebbels, or Eichmann… More details here: http://mondediplo.com/2010/05/14blamethemufti Thanks for your comment, lots of interesting points in any case.

    • Mehdi

      Thanks a lot…

    • The greenmantle

      Gufo yourself !

      Sir David

    • The greenmantle

      Nurse ! Nurse! He is off his meds again come quickly .

      Sir David

    • Mehdi

      Of course I knew it was a joke. As for what is right or wrong, does it really matter if madeeh or madih? In the end it’s just a transcription from Arabic.. In morocco we tend to say mad’h.

    • You sound like taking my silly joke about paying me rewards seriously. I do hope that I am wrong in this assumption. Which is more correct Madih or Madeeh ? and Tafsir or Tafseer ? I really do not know. Will appreciate your help. .

    • Mehdi

      I never thought I would afford madih in my life, I need to be careful now to fall into some form of complacency or vanity… Thanks anyway

    • I wonder which is more correct to write the word ” Madih ” in English, as you have used it as ” Madih ” or as Madeeh ” ? The same question about the word ” Tafsir ” or ” Tafseer ” ? Which is more correct? Madih or Madeeh reminds me of what Abu-Altaiyeb Al-Mutanabi, one of the greatest Arab poets, had done in poetry to Kafour, the ruler who once ruled Egypt: when he has good relationship with Kafour, he made great Madih or Madeeh about Kafour. But when his relationship with Kafour had deteriorated he made great poetry, but really horrible ” Higa’a,” meaning: ” Condemnation ” in a real nasty manner I refrain from translating it in public. Moreover, some of the poets, in Baghdad during the Abbaside’s splendid era, used to make Madih or Madeeh to the rulers for rewards in Dinars. Well, I have made Madih to you free of any obligation for rewards–Just joking, Mehdi.

  • Mehdi

    Dear mister Sodium, Same kindness, since you’re an amateur of Arab poetry, I will call this a form of “madih”

Rep. Louie Gohmert, Rep. Steve King Invite Dutch Fascist Geert Wilders

"Under his wing": Geert Wilders & Robert Spencer

“Under his wing”: Geert Wilders & Robert Spencer

Geert Wilders is on his way to the US again, this time at the invitation of two US congressmen. He will also be awarding a prize at Pamela Geller and Deacon Robert Spencer’s “Draw Muhammad” contest in Texas. (h/t: WaltervanderCruijsen)

GeertWilders.nl

On Wednesday April 29th, he will speak at a reception offered to him by Congressman Louie Gohmert (R, TX).

That same day, he speaks at the invitation of Congressman Steve King (R, IA) at the breakfast meeting of members of the US Congress belonging to the renowned Conservative Opportunity Society, a group founded in 1984 by Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Wilders: “I feel deeply honored by the invitations. In my speeches I will warn my American colleagues of the dangers of Islamization.”

After his visit to Washington, Geert Wilders travels to Garland, Texas, where on May 3rd he will give a speech and award a prize of $10,000 for the best Muhammad cartoon.

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    • Jeff Elberfeld

      I wouldn’t call Geert Wilders “fascist.” Fascists had a vision on economic policies. Unlike them, evil Geert has nothing to offer on that field, apart from attacking everyone who is Polish, Greek, or from another coutry he doesn’t like. Also, fascists believe in Jewish conspiracies, whole Wilders believes in Muslem conspiracies.

      So is Wilders fascist? No. Is Wilders a populistic, mad, paranoid attention-whore? Yes.

    • Capt. JB Hennessy

      Muslims should claim they won the ten gees. Photoshop their image standing next to Geert with the check and then claim they donated to money to Hamas.

      On the other hand it may back fire, it might get more coverage then Geert arriving in some Southern state, I can’t remember it’s name. Probably a recent addition to the United States.

    • downwithpants

      Maybe instead of being a God fearing gun loving American he should try being a god loving gun fearing American.

  • The greenmantle

    Garland Texas yup another place never to go to

AlterNet: Exposing Anti-Islam Author Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s Latest Deception

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Ayaan Hirsi Ali/Magan

An excellent article by Max Blumenthal on Ayaan Hirsi Ali that has gotten a lot of shares on social media. It notes what we and many others have for quite some time, her fraudulent autobiography and deceptive Islamophobic tactics.

By Max Blumenthal, AlterNet

While promoting her new book, Heretic, on a March 23 episode of “The Daily Show,” Somali-born author and anti-Islam activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali made a staggering claim: “If you look at 70 percent of the violence in the world today, Muslims are responsible,” she told host Jon Stewart.

Stewart did not demand any evidence and Hirsi Ali provided no citation. However, she made a strikingly similar statement in a March 20 essay previewing her new book for the Wall Street Journal: “According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies,” Hirsi Ali wrote in WSJ’s Saturday Essay, “at least 70% of all the fatalities in armed conflicts around the world last year were in wars involving Muslims.”

I contacted the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), a leading British foreign policy think tank, to inquire about the source of Hirsi Ali’s statistic. According to IISS Media Relations and Communications Officer Kat Slowe, IISS did not explicitly state such a figure in its research.

“I have spoken to a number of our experts and they cannot identify where this statistic may have come from,” Slowe told me.

“Their best guess is that the journalist in question [Hirsi Ali] may have access/a subscription to the [IISS] Armed Conflict Database and may have calculated this statistic independently. There are some concerns that it could be misleading as, without Syria (near 200,000 total deaths, and almost half of last year’s global conflict deaths) the figure would look massively different (and of course, this conflict did not have its root in religion),” Slowe added.

Read the entire article…

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    • downwithpants

      I bet you also use the term sheep le. Alex Jones is missing a fluff boy…so close you could be “his shadow”……

    • Tarig Musa

      If accurately portraying the facts about a persons history is a smear, you must have a different version of “smear”.

    • Tarig Musa

      well clearly you didn’t read the article as it provides screen shot evidence that it is in fact the guys you are a fan boy of that lied, not Max. next time you want to comment, try not to pose a question that has already been debunked.

    • JS

      What bold claims? What are you trying to argue? You can’t pick one part of my comment and then pretend to act intelligent because you somehow called me out on it. I specifically said “Islam can’t restrict or kill anyone. Only people can. Hirsi is trying to smear 1.8 billion Muslims as barbaric”

IndiaTimes: “Shocking! Mob Ties A Noose Around The Neck Of This Cow Trader And Makes Him Utter ‘Jai Shri Ram’”

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In France, it’s the politics of pork, in Sri Lanka and India it’s over meat in general.

(h/t: Saqib)

By Mugda Kapoor, India Times

Modi might have said that his Government would not allow any religious group belonging to a majority or a minority to incite hatred, but things in India are far from over. The ban on beef by the Maharashtra government has already kicked off a huge country-wide rage, this was made even worse when Haryana (another BJP ruled state) decided to follow suit. The latest twist into the ban of beef is the following video which has been going viral.

The video allegedly features a muslim cow trader who was trading cows for his hindu employer. It shows him tied to an electric pole and surrounded by a fundamentalist mob which is thrashing him and inciting him to utter Jai Shri Ram.

Click here to watch video.

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    • Awesome

      However, I condemn anything that is related to denigration of Islam and Muslims in general. But I request the site owners to please put up the whole story regarding the person who’s shown as the victim was some valid worker of some licensed company abattoir or just a smuggler, criminal doing unlawful activity. It will help in eradicating any misconception to foreigners.

      What the lynch-mob is doing to that man is unlawful, even if you want to accuse him of being a meat smuggler (of which no evidence has been provided). People accused of crimes are arrested, tried and either convicted or acquitted. That is how an organized society under the rule of law is supposed to function, not through “mob rule” where lynch mobs randomly target those that they don’t like. It undermines the rule of law and encourages anarchy.

    • Jekyll

      Nope

    • Tanveer ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Khan

      Bollywood is amazing. Don’t diss.

    • AJ

      This article or perhaps another by this author says that beef has been banned in Maharashtra and in another state in India. I just confirmed it. That’s a huuuuge thing considering India calls itself secular. What will the Indian Muslims do? India is moving backwards and not forward. Iqbal knew this a long time ago.

    • cmyfe .

      Good spot! But these types of details are needed when you are debating a sane and reasonable person. This guy is a frustrated extremist Indian who doesn’t want to admit that his community is doing wrong against minorities. I can imagine his ilk justifying “bali” or human sacrifice to Kali by saying something like “Oh! you see this is population control and will of Kali, this is for the best.” In his mind Indians can do nothing wrong, just like in Bollywood!

    • Tanveer ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Khan

      And how come nobody’s talking about this?

      “The video allegedly features a muslim cow trader who was trading cows for his hindu employer.”

      Why are all the mentally defunct goons silent on this?

    • cmyfe .

      So “Petty Criminals” get forced to convert to Hinduism and chant Hindu slogans?

      Are you not siding with Hindus because you’re a Hindu? Just reverse the religions of the people in this video and you would be crying “terrorism” etc. Your lies are nothing more than… well lies!

Raw Story: Georgia ‘patriot’ reportedly planted pipe bombs in park to sow fear of Muslims

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By David Ferguson, Raw Story

A 67-year-old Marietta, Georgia man is accused of planting a backpack containing two pipe bombs in an Atlanta-area public park in order to frighten the public and sow fear of Islamic terrorism.

According to Atlanta’s Channel 2 News, conservative “patriot” Michael Sibley confessed to police that he was trying to educate people that terror strikes can happen anywhere and without warning when he planted the bombs last November.

The backpack contained two partially-constructed pipe bombs, a Koran and a list of “soft targets” for terrorist attacks — i.e., non-military, unguarded structures like hospitals and schools. Among the list of potential targets was an Atlanta Jewish center.

Channel 2 quoted Sibley’s arrest report, which reported that he “(s)tated that he is a ‘patriot’ and he felt no one was paying attention to what was going on the world. Sibley felt if he placed the package in a Roswell park then people would finally get that this type of activity could happen anywhere.”

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    • AJ

      Basically, any crime that a Muslim does must be mandated by his religion (if he professes to do so), even though the religion may have no injunctions for it AND even though that Muslim may not practice any basic tenets of Islam.

    • HSkol

      Dude has got to be incredibly fearful to feel that he needed to instill fear in others. These types have always existed. They seem to have been tamped down to a degree a couple decades back. Now, they seem to be popping up with far too great a frequency for me to say that Humanity has progressed – in fact, I feel that we’ve done just the opposite. Goodness, may you save us all.

    • HSkol

      Fair is fair and consistent is consistent. Unfortunately, we’ve been short of fairness and consistency for quite some time now. Perhaps, and more likely, we’ve never had as much. Let’s work for it. I’m on board.

    • Capt. JB Hennessy

      If you discover the cure for Cancer and your a Muslim then it won’t be Islamic Cure for Cancer. Then it would hover in the realm of, “we taught you how to do it”.

    • Capt. JB Hennessy

      They track hack your IP address. Figure what you are doing where you are going what equipment you have attached to it. Then they censor you while applauding their embrace of free thought and speech.

      You have confuse them by making anti-Christian comments on Monday, their minds are still doped over from Saturday night at the Round Up Square Bar and Grill mechanical bull ride and Q/A. On Tuesday make a few anti-Muslim comments. They’ll think you on their side. Just change your opinion every other day about everyone.

      And if you claim your the victim they will definitely leave you alone thinking your their supervisor.

    • cmyfe .

      I just can’t seem to get over “Islamic Terrorism”. What does that mean? What makes an act “Islamic”? If I rape someone and say I did it for Islam or that Islam recommends this, would that make it “Islamic rape”? Even though vast majority of normal Muslims and almost all scholars might be negating this claim? If this is valid then there should also be terms like “Humanitarian Terrorism”, “Secular Terrorism” and “Liberal Terrorism” etc.

    • cmyfe .

      That’s disturbing. How desperate can one be over a religion / race or whatever??? http://www.tineye.com can be utilised to search where a certain profile pic etc is being used.

    • Julieann Wozniak

      Bumpkin, rube, assclown, the sort of individual who believes it is his divine right to engage in public urination and sees nothing wrong in bringing his assault rifle into a family restaurant. The thugs who gathered at the Bundy Ranch and closed down a neighboring highway are apt examples. Have a few of these in my small town but, fortunately, they aren’t reproducing and will leave when Chevron Appalachia does.

    • Tanveer ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Khan

      In what sense are you using the word “cracker”? XD

    • Tanveer ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Khan

      They even made an account and and made mention of my Xbox username – I still don’t know how they found out about it. I don’t remember talking about it on Disqus or anywhere else.

    • HSkol

      I suppose he just wants his presence known. Makes little sense to me; but, it is what it is I guess.

    • golden izanagi

      yeah he kept following me too and up voted me on a thread that had nothing to do with loonwatch for some reason.

    • Julieann Wozniak

      Cracker. Worse, an incompetent cracker.

    • Reynardine

      Yeah, he did start out as Santiago Matamoros. He followed Tanveer onto our board, and topped off other kinds of bad behavior by saying Muslim kids should be killed before adolescence… Tanveer is both our only Muslim and our only kid. He got treated kind of rough after that, and eventually banned under that name, but has snuck back as several sock puppets.

    • cmyfe .

      Would this stalker be “Santiago Matamoros”? There is also someone that goes by “Gazastan”. They keep following me and try to reply on my comments on other sites. The first guy makes multiple accounts with same name specifically to target users of loonwatch, especially 1DrM. Such vermin….probably broke anti-Islamists.

    • mindy1

      FFS what kind of idiot tries to START conflicts >:(

    • Reynardine

      Exactly.

      Over at Hatewatch, we thought it was this vile coward of a kidstalker who had been chasing Tanveer all over Disqus, until the kidstalker turned up under another sockpuppet.

    • Yausari

      What’s his excuse? People don’t hate Muslims enough?

For A French Rabbi And His Muslim Team, There’s Work To Be Done

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By Eleanor Beadsley, NPR

Rabbi Michel Serfaty drives to his first appointment of the day, in a suburb south of Paris, just a couple miles from the notorious housing project where gunman Amedy Coulibaly grew up.

Coulibaly is the self-proclaimed Islamist radical who killed a police officer and later four people in a Kosher market in Paris terrorist attacks in January.

France has Europe’s largest Muslim and Jewish communities. For the last decade Serfaty and his team have been working in bleak places like this, trying to promote understanding between the two populations.

Serfaty is still going to the same places since the attacks, but there’s now a team of undercover police officers who accompany him everywhere. Still, The rabbi says he’s more determined than ever.

“These are difficult times for France and especially for French Jews,” he says. “But if anything, we realize our work is even more important.”

The rabbi makes his way into a community center where his French Jewish Muslim Friendship Association has a stand at a local job fair. Serfaty hopes to recruit several more young people to help with community outreach in the largely Muslim, immigrant communities where most people have never even met a Jewish person.

A poster for the French Jewish Muslim Friendship Association, which works in many poor, immigrant neighborhoods.

A poster for the French Jewish Muslim Friendship Association, which works in many poor, immigrant neighborhoods.

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“In these places they often have specific ideas about Jews,” says Serfaty. “And if they’re negative, we bring arguments and try to open people’s eyes to what are prejudices and negative stereotypes. We try to show children, mothers and teenagers that being Muslim is great, but if they don’t know any Jews, well this is how they are, and they’re also respectable citizens.”

Serfaty says people need to realize they must all work together to build France’s future.

The rabbi takes advantage of funding from a government program that helps youths without work experience find their first job. Serfaty takes them on for a period of three years, giving them valuable training in mediation and community relations. Serfaty’s recruits also study Judaism and Islam. And he takes them on a trip to Auschwitz, the Nazi concentration camp.

The rabbi takes advantage of funding from a government program that helps youths without work experience find their first job. Serfaty takes them on for a period of three years, giving them valuable training in mediation and community relations. Serfaty’s recruits also study Judaism and Islam. And he takes them on a trip to Auschwitz, the Nazi concentration camp.

Serfaty is looking to hire three or four new people. With his affable manner and easy laugh, the job interviews are more like a friendly conversation. He needs Muslim employees for his work, but French laws on secularism forbid him from asking applicants about their religion. So Serfaty draws out the candidates’ views and beliefs in discussion — and through provocative questions.

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    • HerrSkolly

      This is not Star Wars? $hi+, I’m on the wrong message board yet again. Dag nabbit!!!

    • HerrSkolly

      “Indoctrination” has become quite loaded with negative connotations in this “Age of Diversity”; but, that need not be so. Indoctrination permits parents, caregivers, and the like an “eternity” that might not otherwise be permitted of them. Indoctrination is usually simply the promotion of a base-belief for one’s own people’s sustenance, not a behavior, not manner of hatred, but simply a manner of living.

      Let us take back this term. Regardless of its current connotations in the negative, it can be quite positive as a term which has (or had) a meaning unto itself.

    • Tanveer ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Khan

      Your comment has just changed my first and last sentences from insults into facts now. Thank you.

      This is not Star Wars. I’m not a padawan. Reread Emir JSB’s comment more carefully.

    • Tanveer ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Khan

      The word “indoctrination” has had quite a negative meaning from the start for me due to it’s extensive use by anti-theists. I guess, because of that, the merriam – webster definition seems to be quite accurate to me.

      Learning about Judaism and Christianity (Judaism in particular) strengthens my belief that Islam is the continuation of the two. Some of the practices and phrases are ridiculously similar. Of course, some people take such things as evidence that the Prophet PBUH simply plagiarised from the two religions but I guess that’s just a good example of how people can conclude different things despite having the exact same sources – which is something that History as a subject has taught me as well. XD

    • Just_Stopping_By

      Well, young Paladin, you may have jumped the gun just a bit, because there is a lesser-known meaning to “indoctrinate” as just teaching:

      indoctrinate: “the act of indoctrinating, or teaching or inculcating a doctrine, principle, or ideology, especially one with a specific point of view” http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/indoctrination

      However, I would agree that the much more common definition is closer to: “to teach (someone) to fully accept the ideas, opinions, and beliefs of a particular group and to not consider other ideas, opinions, and beliefs” http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indoctrinate

      I actually think the second is a bit stronger than I am used to, as I think someone indoctrinated could still consider other ideas, though they would tend to reject them. To “not consider other ideas, opinions, and beliefs” sounds like the person is what I might call a blind follower, the type who just lashes out at those with different political or religious beliefs, calling them savages (yes, I’m referencing you, Pamela!) or Nazis (referencing everyone who adds to the weight of evidence in favor of Godwin’s Law).

      In fact, learning about the beliefs of Islam and Judaism (or any religion) from either neutral sources or from members of those religions, as opposed to from Islamophobic or Judeophobic sources, tends to make one behave very differently, being more open to alternative approaches not just to religion but other areas as well. The more I learn about Islam, the more open I think I become to other points of view, as I often discover that ideas that I probably just assumed were universally held, at least among monotheists, are not.

    • Tanveer ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Khan

      “It then sounds like he then indoctrinates his employees minds (teaches them Islam and Judaism)” You’re a bit of an idiot. Learning about the beliefs of Islam and Judaism is not “indoctrinating” one’s employees. Learn the difference. Or perhaps you’re too feeble minded to understand such a nuance – I dunno.

    • mindy1

      I wish this group luck

    • mindy1

      Trying to do good, and you are looking for the negative?!

    • JD

      Called fighting hate.. People mix up action of nazi Israel with Jews and Jewish people much like all Muslims are responsible for ISIS which leads to idiot who think shooting rabbi and kids is fighting Israel

    • Palidor

      What a strange article.

      Rabbi Serfaty uses free government money and a team of undercover police officers to run around Sensitive Urban Zones in France. He violates the spirit of the French laws on secularism by openly asking potential employees their political beliefs and prejudices and then only hires Muslims who “harbour no anti-Semitic feelings”.

      It then sounds like he then indoctrinates his employees minds (teaches them Islam and Judaism) and goes on regular tax-payer funded pilgrimages to Aushwitz. I wonder how much of his job consists of going to events and wining and dining? How much money is France wasting on this guy?

Jews And Muslims: It’s Complicated (III)

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Original Guest post by Mehdi

Read part I and II in this series

The revolutions that swept across Europe: the French revolution, the Napoleonic wars and the 1830-1848 revolutions had a tremendous effect on the lives of people in the Muslim majority world:

  • Economically: as the industrial revolution radically changed world economics, increasing the importance of industry and manufacturing, it also reduced the importance of economic centers such as China, India and the Ottoman empire. Increased effectiveness in navy and train freight transportation fed the needs of the new European industrial elite, particularly hungry for natural resources.
  • Militarily: European powers acquired military experience and technology during their wars that gave them a decisive edge over potential opponents elsewhere in the world. This would prove decisive when they conquered nations and carved out their colonial empires, in the process destroying any resistance.
  • Politically and strategically: the wave of revolutions radically changed European politics and the structure of political systems. It also resulted in rivalries and competition that drove them to radicalizing their modern imperialist projects, which started to impact the rest of the world.

These changes are all well-known (documented by the late British historian Eric Hobsbawm), but most historical analysis focuses less on an important aspect: the impact of enlightenment ideas and modernity, especially on Arab minorities, including Arab Jews.

As explained in the last article, Jews (and Christians) lived under the Dhimma status, which provided a framework for protection and collective rights. The major paradigm shift was about the term “collective,” as this new era of modernity advanced the role of the individual and the importance of his/her rights.

Arab minorities were gradually exposed to these ideas, often via. European imperialist powers whose motives were less than noble. The imperialist powers carried out “divide and conquer” policies, using missionaries, trade delegations, military expeditions and specific legal arrangements known as capitulations.

European powers also declared themselves the protectors of so-called repressed minorities, such as the Druze or Maronite in Lebanon; a cynical move which sought to manipulate groups in order to increase their influence.

While the Enlightenment ideas were clearly instrumentalized for ulterior motives,  they were still attractive to minorities who aspired to a better status than second class citizenship. It should be noted however that there was also great tumult when changes were put into place, many minorities did not desire change to the status quo.

The decline of the Ottoman empire and other Muslim states led to a situation where they were incapable of addressing new challenges brought by modernity, they could not re-invent a legal system that worked for centuries but required adjustments or reforms in a new context. There were attempts to do so but they did not stir massive support, and were inaudible in the context of European aggressions.

European colonial powers also enacted laws and decrees that were clear “divide and conquer” measures, such as the Crémieux decree in Algeria (named after Jewish French politician Adolphe Crémieux), which allowed for native Jews to become French citizens while Muslim Arabs and Berbers were excluded and remained under the second-class ‘indigenous’ status outlined in the “Code de l’Indigénat.”

CremieuxThere were many other examples, (such as the French promotion of Berber separatism in Algeria and Morocco to no avail), and while the previous example is specific to Algeria, it shows the impact of colonialism on coexistence between Algerian Jews and Muslims.  As their lifestyles changed, they started naming their children differently (moving from typical Arabic Jewish names such as Mardochee or Haim to French names such as Raymond, Maurice or Marcel), living in different neighborhoods and studying under different educational systems (if they ever went to school at all, since the indigenous populations were globally excluded from any education).

The Impact of European Anti-Semitism

Historically, while some limited collaborations existed, the lives of European and Arab Jews was quite different. It is impossible to list all of these differences, but it is important to highlight that the condition of European Jews, and the persecutions they were subjected to (pogroms in Eastern Europe, discrimination in central Europe, Anti-Semitic public campaigns such as the Dreyfus affair in France) ended up impacting the Muslim world.

The history of Anti-Semitism is complex, and should be differentiated depending on the European countries and regions, but their concrete effects resulted in European Jews debating the best ways of addressing them, choosing between different strategies:

  • Assimilation: many European Jews believed in their capacity to be accepted by succeeding in public life, whether economically, politically (e.g. Benjamin Disraeli), or by simply supporting the emancipating ideals of enlightenment or modernity. Many prominent Jews chose a more radical approach by being involved in anarchist or communist revolutionary movements. It is interesting to note that several examples of Jewish success stories resulted in backlashes and more Anti-Semitic delirium (as a side note, contemporary racist rants in the USA after the election of President Obama or in Europe against Muslim or Black ministers parallel this delirium).
  • Emigration: chosen mostly by Eastern European Jews, especially after several waves of pogroms. The preferred destination was usually the USA, until restrictions were applied through the 1924 immigration act.
  • Zionism: promoting a separate Jewish homeland. The movement was initiated by Theodor Herzl after the Dreyfus affair convinced him that Jews had no future in Europe.
  • Bundism: mostly based in Eastern Europe, promoting national-cultural autonomy but clearly in conflict with Zionism. Bundism depicted Zionism as an escapist doctrine, stating it served the agenda of Anti-Semites who wanted Jews out of Europe. Bundists defended Jewish communities in Eastern Europe until WW2. Famous Polish hero Marek Hedelman was one of its main figures, refusing to leave Poland and was also a prominent critic of Israeli policies until his passing. The Nazi holocaust, terror policies and repression ended up destroying the Bund movement.

BundThese directions are not a comprehensive outlook and strategies were not as clear cut, but this shows the different strategies that Jews had when facing European Anti-Semitism. The objective of this article is not to qualify which strategy is the best, nor to draw any political equivalence between such approaches. I am myself extremely opposed to Zionism but my criticism is not the topic of this article, the intent is to examine what happened and the resulting consequences.

Overall, the majority of European Jews either chose assimilation or immigration to the USA until 1924. The rise of Nazism in Germany and anti-immigration laws in the US aimed at European Jews changed the situation drastically and made the Zionist project an alternative in the 1930s and after WW2.

The Zionist movement started organizing departures of European Jews towards Palestine for settlement. The Balfour declaration provided the movement with political cover for departures, leaving the British in a situation where they had to balance their promises toward Zionist leaders with the promises of independence they made to Arab leaders. The British never established a clear strategy in the face of the arrival of Jewish settlers which led to more tensions and increased conflict such as the 1929 Hebron massacre.

While they were incapable of addressing the demands of both communities, the actions of the British strengthened the Zionist movement at the expense of Palestinian society and its leadership. For instance when they militarily crushed the 1936-39 Palestinian intifada and also simultaneously trained Zionist settlers, including many future Israeli army leaders within their ranks, such as Moshe Dayan. The events in the 1920s-30s gradually led the Zionist movement to become stronger, more militarized and tempted to implement an expulsion of the Arab population.

Intifada-36The outcome of the 1947-49 war was made predictable by the combined: crushing of the 1936-39 Palestinian insurgency (leaving the Palestinians with most of their political leadership either dead, in prison or in exile, crushed militarily, and with hardly any organized militia), the acquired military experience and weaponry by Jewish Hagganah and Irgun movements (during the Intifada and WW2), and the moral outrage following the horrific WW2 holocaust, which drew sympathy to the Zionist cause from the European and American public.

Joseph Stalin provided unexpected support to the Zionists first by allowing several tens of thousands of Polish Jews to emigrate to Palestine, including trained soldiers who had participated in resistance movements during the war, and by providing an important weapon shipment via. Czechoslovakia that David Ben Gurion later acknowledged to be decisive.

Ironically Joseph Stalin provided this decisive support to Zionists while conducting anti-Semitic campaigns in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.

On the field, despite the intervention of Arab armies, the Hagana/Irgun and other militias outnumbered them, most estimates range between about 60,000 troops on the Israeli side versus less than 30,000 on the Arab side. The only army that was a potential threat to the Zionist militias was the Jordanian Arab legion, which never entered the battle due to a secret agreement between Golda Meir and King Abdallah, where the latter agreed to stay away from the conflict while being allowed to annex the West bank.

The war itself is subject to a lot of controversies, regarding the different strategies undertaken by the belligerents, the factors that led to the Israeli victory and the intentionality behind the mass expulsion of the Palestinians. The narrative of an Israeli “David” fighting heroically for its survival against superior Arab “Goliath” armies and winning against the odds has been the mainstream story for decades on the Israeli and Western side.

This view has started to erode since the 1980’s with the emergence of Israel’s “new historians”, the picture is now more nuanced, showing that the odds for an Israeli victory were even, if not overwhelmingly in its favor.

Nearly 80% of the Palestinian population living within the new state of Israel were expelled in what is known as the Nakba, most of them became refugees even before David Ben Gurion declared independence. (As often is the case in such tragedies, estimates are subject to speculation, the official figure is 711,000 Palestinians while 10,000 Jews were forced to evacuate their homes from Arab dominated parts of former Mandatory Palestine).

This was clearly shown and documented by the generation of “new historians,” who accessed the Israeli archives in the 1980s, confirming that the Palestinians were forced out massively and violently. There is a debate among the historians as to whether the expulsion was planned in advance (Benny Morris claims that it wasn’t whereas other historians such as Avi Shlaim or Illan Pappé conclude the opposite), but they all confirm that Palestinians were forced to leave their home. After the war, they would never be given any possibility to return to their lands, despite Israel signing UN resolution 194 that allowed such a return.

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The irony is that Zionism, which presented itself as a liberation movement for Jews, became a colonization and expansionist movement for Arabs. That dilemma is still there, especially after the 1967 six-day war which saw the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, Sinai, and Golan heights (an occupation that still goes on except for the Sinai peninsula).

While the narratives continue to be debated, two points are indisputable:

  • The 1947-49 war resulted in the Nakba and saw the beginning of the Palestinian tragedy: causing moral outrage for Arabs and Muslims and a state of constant tensions and wars with the state of Israel, which presents itself as the representatives of Jews around the world.
  • Arab Jews were left in an uncomfortable situation, not clear whether to join the new state or stay in their countries.

The next and final article in this series will cover the separation between Arab Jews and Muslims, its reasons and effects and what we can and must do now.

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    • Friend of Bosnia

      Yes, a pragmatic and humane one. Faith is for the people, not the other way round, that’s what they all should know.

    • Friend of Bosnia

      Oh yes. thank yu for your kind reply. I really look forward to the fourth part, I would very much like to save them. As it is I have been lucky, but many others haven’t. We must be wary of our enemies but at the same time not become like them. Now the longer a war goes the more dehumanized and beastly all sides become, that’s why we should never wish for war. Because it’s easy to start a war but very sifficult to end it. Yet if one is forced to fight, one must fight to the last consequence. If one is attacked he has all the right in the world to defend himself and to render the attacker harmless. I do however consider any attempt by the Bosnian Serb side to separate and/or to join Serbia proper a hostile act, an act of war. if they only so much as try then the Munich, er, Dayton Armistice is null and void, my side need no longer abide by it and then it must be total war and it will not end until one side is totally and utterly defeated, and may God help us, we will need His help most desperately. But we must always be aware that it’s not His job to fill in the tactical details; that’s up to us. And should it be that the enemy is stronger then we must solemnly pledge that every man, woman and child will, before they are killed, take down at least two enemies. Or better ten. That they will have to fight house for house, street for street, village for village, town for town, and it will cost them dearly. If the Serbs ever try to conquer BiH they must be made to know beforehand that in this case not one single Serb family will be without grief for loved ones killed. As I have said vbefore, there is a way to work things out peacewfully and I do hope that’s what will come about, but it means their admitting that in 1992-95 they were the aggressor, it means apologizing for said aggression, it means handing back the conquered territories, it means a solemn and binding pledge never again to destabilize BiH by military or political means. These are the conditions sine qua non for the whole Western Balkans to move forward to stability and prosperity. It’s either that or go straight back to the Dark Ages (and as everybody knows, in BiH the Dark Ages are not so far off, indeed in many aspects it is still the Dark Ages. And that certainly is not the Muslims’ fault.)

  • Mehdi

    First of all, there are no plans for any book, just some articles that i’m glad to see people enjoy

Bill Maher Wanted to Remind You: He’s Still A Likud Loving Zionist Who Hates Arabs And Muslims

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Of course one doesn’t expect hypocritical, lying Bill Maher to change his racist beliefs and insecurities about Arabs and Muslims over night; that’s part of the reason people watch him. Bill, like any slime ball politician knows his constituency and they love when he hates on Arabs and Muslims.

Still, it was quite something to see Bill Maher bizarrely defend the almost universally scorned (except by the Republicans) Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu.

I guess he just wanted to remind us, in case we forgot, that he loves himself some Israel.:

By Jack Jenkins, ThinkProgress

Politicians, Jewish advocacy groups, and Rabbis have been highly critical of methods used by Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu to win reelection last week, particularly his short-lived public renunciation of a two-state solution to the Palestinian crisis and his 11th-hour bid to bolster his supporters by warning that “Arab voters are coming in droves to the ballot boxes.” President Barack Obama said the remarks were “contrary to what is the best of Israel’s traditions,” the New York Times editorial board called them “desperate, and craven,” and Rabbi Rick Jacobs, president of the Union for Reform Judaism, noted the tactics were a “naked appeal to his hard-right bases’ fears rather than their hopes.” Several others, including Reform Rabbi Zinkow, said the prime minister’s comments “sound racist.”

But talk show host and self-professed liberal Bill Maher attempted to stifle the growing criticism of Netanyahu on Saturday night. Speaking to a panel that included a GOP strategist and a former Republican lawmaker, Maher challenged claims that the prime minister’s remarks were racist by, confusingly, pointing to America’s own history of using racist political tactics.

“I guess that is racist, in the strictest sense — he’s bringing race into the equation,” Maher said of Netanyahu’s remarks. “But, first of all, like Reagan didn’t win races with racism? Or Nixon? Or Bush? Like they didn’t play the race card? Reagan opened his campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi, remember that? Remember Willie Horton?”

Maher’s second rant on the subject took an even more bizarre turn, with the host trying to add “a little perspective” by outlining a hypothetical scenario in which America is under siege from “black nations.” He also drew comparisons between Netanyahu’s election and America’s internment of Japanese people during World War II.

“I heard a lot of commentators here say, it would been as if Mitt Romney, in 2012, on the eve of the election said, ‘black voters are coming out in droves to the polls,’” he said. “But I don’t know if that’s really a great analogy. I think that would be a good analogy if America was a country that was surrounded by 12 or 13 completely black nations who had militarily attacked us many times, including as recently as last year. Would we let them vote? I don’t know. When we were attacked by the Japanese, we didn’t just not let them vote, we rounded them up and put them in camps.”

A video of the exchange is below.

Update: By the way, here’s what an apology that isn’t an apology looks like. Get ready for the laughs, provided for by Netanyahu.:

“I wasn’t trying to block anyone from voting. I was trying to mobilize my own forces,” Netanyahu said in an interview with NPR Friday. “And that mobilization was based on Arab money — sorry, on foreign money, a lot of foreign money that was coming in.”

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    • downwithpants

      That’s what every show does panders to their target demographic.

    • sasboy

      I do not care for Bill Maher at all, but I do think he has a valid point.

      The US does have a history of institutionalized racism against Native Americans, blacks, Chinese, Japanese and Italians, mostly though not entirely justified on the basis of its foreign wars.

    • Haddock

      Bill should just come out and say the obvious: he is practically a conservative. Quit trying to be the “liberal hanging on by a thread because of all of dem multi-cultural leftists” and just admit that he is a bigot against Arabs, and own up to it.

    • mindy1

      He panders to his crowd sadly…

    • Reynardine

      Another reason I have never wasted money on cable.

    • Yausari

      No need to remind us, Maher. You’re hard to forget… That’s not a compliment.

    • Just_Stopping_By

      Listening to the clip, it’s clear that none of the speakers can actually deny that Netanyahu’s comments were racist. They only try to “contextualize” or excuse them as politics, etc., meaning that deep down they know that Netanyahu’s statements are simply wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

      The best consolation here is that Arab voters did turn out in larger numbers than before and there are 33% more Arab Israeli Members in the incoming Knesset than in the outgoing one. And they are likely to use their numbers to get better positions in various committees.

    • Heinz Catsup

      Really? That’s great if true.

    • Lithium2006

      Good thing is this guy is becoming less relevant. Even his fellow anti-theists are abandoning him gradually.

    • cmyfe .

      Same old Pissrahelli propaganda “surrounded by”, “wipe off the map” etc used to get away after murdering 2,500 children. Hasn’t Pissrahell attacked each of its neighbors? Hasn’t it constantly occupied land of Palestinians and the countries that “surround” it? Pissrahell wasn’t in fact surrounded by anyone, it just jumped in their midst and started glaring and attacking and plundering! History!

    • LiesYouTell

      The fact that HBO recently gave Bill Maher his own sports show proves that the network supports Maher’s Islamophobia and racism. Muslims need to boycott HBO and its parent company Time Warner(owners of Warner Bros., CNN, TNT, Cartoon Network, CW, Comcast, etc) who is responsible for Bill Maher’s paychecks.

‘Half-Breed Jew’ Committed Holocaust, Claims Netanyahu Ally John Hagee

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By Bruce Wilson, Huffington Post

Who committed the Holocaust? For the overwhelming majority of historians and, needless to say, Jews it’s a settled question: Hitler, and his Nazis. But Christians United For Israel (CUFI) head John Hagee, one of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s closest American allies, has a different answer: “half-breed Jews.”

Netanyahu meets frequently with Hagee, endorses CUFI, has spoken at numerous CUFI events, and lavishes Hagee and his organization with praise. Prime Minister Netanyahu is currently scheduled to speak at CUFI’s annual Washington summit, July 13-14 2015.

John Hagee book Jerusalem CountdownHagee’s Christians United For Israel organization currently sells a book by pastor John Hagee, Jerusalem Countdown: A warning To The World, which on page 149 (2006 “revised and updated” paperback edition) claims Adolf Hitler was a “half-breed Jew” and states (p. 97) that Hitler was sent by God, as a “hunter,” to persecute Europe’s Jews and drive them towards “the only home God ever intended for the Jews to have-Israel.”

In 2008 media uproar over Hagee’s “hunter” claim (as made in a 2005 sermon that was exposed by this author) led presidential candidate John McCain to renounce his long-sought endorsement from pastor Hagee.

Hagee’s claim that Hitler was Jewish is not new. In a 2003 sermon broadcast internationally and marketed as a VHS cassette, John Hagee claimed [link to video of sermon] the Antichrist would be “partially Jewish, as was Adolf Hitler, as was Karl Marx.”

CUFI head John Hagee also blames anti-Semitism on Jews themselves, writing in Jerusalem Countdown (p. 56) that “It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews… that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day.” Hagee’s book then traces (p. 57) the birth of anti-Semitism to Jewish idol worship:

How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for his chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings he had showered upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.

In Hagee’s account “half-breed Jews,” Hitler included, have served as the human agents by which God implements a divine curse placed upon the racially pure (non-miscegenated) Jewish people.

On page 149 of Hagee’s book Jerusalem Countdown, in a chapter with the ominous title “Who Is a Jew,” Hagee writes,

Esau’s descendants would produce a lineage that would attack and slaughter the Jews for centuries. Esau’s descendants included Haman, whose diabolical mind conceived the “final solution” of the Old Testament — the extermination of all Jews living in Persia. It was Esau’s descendants who produced the half-breed Jews of history who have persecuted and murdered the Jews beyond human comprehension.

Adolf Hitler was a distant descendant of Esau.

In his next sentence, Hagee goes on to make the false claim that in the 1976 book Adolf Hitler: The Definitive Biography, noted Hitler biographer John Toland “records that Hitler was part Jewish.” What Toland actually stated in his Hitler biography was “There is the slight possibility that Hitler’s grandfather was a wealthy Jew named Frankenberger or Frankenreither.”

Hagee’s identification of a miscegenated race of “half-breed Jews” tracing back to Esau seems to originate in theological ideas from the fringe, virulently racist white supremacist Christian Identity movement, as described in books such as Religion and The Racist Right: The Origins of the Christian Identity Movement, by leading authority Dr. Michael Barkun.

While John Hagee has for decades loudly and publicly condemned anti-Semitism, his writings and sermons have nonetheless promoted some of the most influential and inflammatory anti-Jewish tropes of the modern era, such as the claim that predatory Jewish bankers control international finance and prey upon the masses of humankind.

John Hagee sermon, March 23, 2003
John Hagee, giving March 23, 2003 sermon

In a March 23, 2003 sermon broadcast internationally, Hagee claimed European Rothschild bankers, along with David Rockefeller, controlled the U.S. economy through the Federal Reserve — which according to Hagee was bankrupting average Americans by devaluing the dollar.

The Jewish Anti-Defamation League identifies this type of Federal Reserve conspiracy theory, that places Jewish bankers at the center of the proposed grand financial conspiracy, as a “classic anti-Semitic myth”

Hagee’s Jewish banker conspiracy theory was astonishingly similar to claims showcased in the 1940 anti-Jewish Nazi propaganda film The Eternal Jew, said to have been produced under supervision of Hitler’s propagandist Joseph Goebbels [link to video footage] .

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Promotional poster for Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda film “Der Ewige Jude” (“The Eternal Jew”)

The Nazi film claimed (see link, above) that Jewish bankers, led by European Rothschilds, had “spread their net of financial influence over the working man” and were using their influence over global finance to “terrorize world [money] markets, world opinion, and world politics.”

In his March 23, 2003 sermon, that was marketed by John Hagee Ministries as a 3-VHS cassette tape series, Hagee explained [video link], to his megachurch members and to audiences viewing Hagee’s sermon on evangelical radio and TV networks across the globe:

It may be shocking to you but I believe that America’s economic problems are not created by market conditions, they are planned and orchestrated to devalue and to destroy the value of the dollar. It was done by an unseen government that I’ll discuss later in this message.

[..]

Our economic destiny is controlled by the Federal Reserve system that is now headed by Alan Greenspan. Think about this. It is not a government institution. It is controlled by a group of Class A stockholders including the Rothschilds of Europe and the David Rockefellers of America…

So get this one thought. The value of the dollar is controlled by an agency which is not controlled by America. You don’t have to have a Ph.D. in finance to understand that. The value of your dollar is controlled by an organization, the Federal Reserve that is not controlled by America. That’s a fact.

packaging of 2003 Hagee sermon series Iraq The Final War
Packaging of John Hagee’s 2003 3-sermon VHS set Iraq: The Final War, that contained Hagee’s March 23, 2003 sermon

Hagee also aired his Jewish banker conspiracy theory in his 1996 book Day of Deception that was reprinted in 2000 in an edition billed as having sold “over 1.1 million copies.” Hagee’s Day of Deception is still sold, by Thomas Nelson publishers. In the book, Hagee makes clear that European Rothschilds (not Rockefellers) have majority shareholder control of the Federal Reserve.

In his March 23, 2003 sermon, Hagee predicted that Jewish financiers were behind a satanic Illuminati plot, based in Europe, that would bring the Antichrist to power. This Antichrist, who in a prior sermon Hagee had predicted would be both partially Jewish and homosexual, would according to Hagee [video link] slaughter up to 1/3 of the world’s population and “make Hitler look like a choirboy”.

Hagee’s claim that Hitler was “partially Jewish” fits into an emerging American right-wing revisionist genre, with both evangelical and secular expressions, that is rewriting the Holocaust by recasting the victims of Nazi persecution, such as Jews, liberals, communists, and homosexuals, as having been themselves the architects of Nazi persecution and the Holocaust.

Read the entire article…

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    • Laila Muhammad

      in one regard he is right Zionists worked with hitler to move jews from Europe to Palestine those who refuse…d hitler could put into concentration camps…Edwin black’s book ‘transfer agreement’ documents this fact European jews were not going to leave Germany and move to the desert Mideast willingly oy vey

    • YOU REBEL SCUM

      Your referring to “messianic jews” aka Christians in denial.

    • sustapha

      CUFI head John Hagee also blames anti-Semitism on Jews themselves, writing in Jerusalem Countdown (p. 56) that “It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews… that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day.” The Qur’an gives full details of such disobedience from the forty years of wandering in the desert of Peran to the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar and Titus. Their disobedience on Muhammad Rasulullah and the punishment they received is however regarded as in human and anti-Semitism. John is right for he did not quote from the Qur’an and is free. How selfish and unfair is civilization and knowledge?

    • Julieann Wozniak

      This loon is exactly the type of person Netanyahu was courting when he made his speech before Congress. I always hated the “Jews for Jesus” crowd, which was yet another 70s-era cult that managed to hang on somehow.

    • Reynardine

      Onion bread is, in fact, half-Jewish bread. It seems that when you can’t get yeast, you can knead peeled and chopped, but unwashed, raw onion into dough, and the natural yeasts between the layers will raise it. When the Jews of Eastern Europe were ghettoized so strictly that they couldn’t get much besides flour and raw onions, they developed onion bread, onion rolls, and onion bagels into a fine art.

    • Reynardine

      Christocranks, aka ril Chrischuns.

    • Cengiz_K

      …between AmericaN and Iraq.. on the other hand the entire paragraph is so wrong on so many levels..

    • Cengiz_K

      … recasting the victims of Nazi persecution, such as Jews, liberals, communists, and homosexuals, as having been themselves the architects of Nazi persecution and the Holocaust….

      this explains where people like “Santiago Matamoros” are getting their ideas from… It really takes some synaptic rearrangement (derangement) to be able to follow this line.. And yes, even Merkelians use this logic for their governing style.. “What? You feel, You are discriminated against? Well, it is Your own fault because of the lack on “integration” You exhibit!” -paraphrased quotations…

    • Reynardine

      There is some possibility that Reinhardt Heydrich had a Jewish grandfather. He was pretty expensive upkeep for the Reich, because, whenever he had to be put up in a hotel, he would shoot out all the mirrors trying to kill the Jew he thought he saw appearing in them. Meanwhile, Josef Mengele, who had a sadistic fascination with Roma people, was described as “looking like a Gypsy.”

    • Friend of Bosnia

      It can’t be discounted that he thought that. That myth also appears in Osamu Tezuka’s “Adolf”. If it were true that Hitler had a Jewish ancestor, it would be general knowledge. What I do know is that Torquemada, who was instrumental in the pursuit of Jews in Spain in the 15th century, was descended of Jews. It can happen that people betray their own, and that just those, to show their loyalty to the oppressor, are worse that those who actually belong to the oppressor’s group. For example the traitors and renegades Emir Kusturica and Fikret Abdic. I think they are much worse than Karadzic or Mladic themselves.

    • downwithpants

      Christian extremists

    • downwithpants

      I love and hate these guys every week it’s the end of the world. When the war between Ukraine and Russia started….same shit “Russia was going to destroy us.. and Jesus will come! *with big shit eater smile on his face*…jack van impe is the same…. I find it ironic that his last name is Imp with an e on the end…..Good try devil! We are constantly in the “end times”

    • downwithpants

      Mmmmmmmm half bread jew…

    • ShunTheRightWhale

      I got the newest fringe theory: Hitler was an Austrian-born German Roman-Catholic! It is even featured in Weltjudentum-controlled Wikipedia:

      “Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ]; 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician who was the leader of the Nazi Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP); National Socialist German Workers Party).”

    • Reynardine

      Ron Rosenbaum pretty much debunked that Hitler-was-a-Jew myth. It’s possible , though, that Hitler was afraid it was true.

    • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

      Anyone notice the description on the back of the packaging for Hagee’s VHS set, Iraq: The Final War

      “The war between American and Iraq is the gateway to the apocalypse. It makes no difference how long the war lasts…2 months or 2 years. It will destabilize the Middle East and produce an Islamic army of millions, willing to fight to the death, in a massive all out Holy War.”

    • mindy1

      drip…drip…drip that was the sound of my brain cells dying in disbelief at the stupidity some people exhibit :/

Barack Obama: ISIS “A Direct Outgrowth Of Our Invasion” Of Iraq

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By Emperor

There is a lot to vehemently disagree on with President Barack Obama like his drone assassination policy and extension/expansion of the war on terror but this time he spoke the obvious truth: The creation and growth of ISIS is a direct consequence of the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. A truth that is self-evident and has already caused an uproar among the war-profiteers.

Shane Smith: One of the biggest questions that I had was how did they become so popular so fast? How did they get so many foreign fighters from America, from the U.K., from Scandinavia, from all over the world, go there, outstrip al Qaeda, almost overnight. So, a, how did they become so popular out of nowhere? And then, b, how do we stop them?

President Obama: ISIL is direct outgrowth of Al-Qaida  in Iraq which grew out of our invasion which is an example of unintended consequences which is why we should generally aim before we shoot.

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    • fights

      And Obama has done zero to stop it.

    • downwithpants

      We = mericans Yous = non mericans

    • The content of your post is profoundly RACIST, with distinction; and certainly does not deserve a response, from me, except on loving the country: I leave loving the country to you, baby, until you are full of your kind of love, to a gloating point, after which your behind delivers stinky hot air, each time you open your polluted mouth to preach to others how to love their country. Baby, you need a lot of help to develop a genuine love of country. You think you have it, but sadly you really do not. Your post shows it.

    • JAZ Z

      Yes! Of course, poor helpless Muslims. What was their fault when 29 nations including US raped every inch of their land by carpet bombing ruthlessly. Anybody could imagine the plight of Iraqi innocent children, women and elders, who were already feeble, humiliated by the almost 13 years of imposed sanctions even for food and medicines too. To feel all that crisis one requires to be human. Alas! you were among us “the humans”. Single excerpt below from wikipedia is enough to describe the situation in Iraq: Denis J. Halliday (Irish) was appointed United Nations Humanitarian Coordinator in Baghdad, Iraq as of 1 September 1997, at the Assistant Secretary-General level. In October 1998 he resigned after a 34-year career with the UN in order to have the freedom to criticize the SANCTIONS regime, saying “I don’t want to administer a program that satisfies the definition of GENOCIDE”. Better you read in his own golden words: Denis J. Halliday “I was driven to resignation because I refused to continue to take Security Council orders, the same Security Council that had imposed and sustained genocidal sanctions on the innocent of Iraq. I did not want to be complicit. I wanted to be free to speak out publicly about this CRIME.” “And above all, my innate sense of justice was and still is outraged by the violence that UN sanctions have brought upon, and continues to bring upon, the lives of children, families – the extended families, the loved ones of Iraq. There is no justification for killing the young people of Iraq, not the aged, not the sick, not the rich, not the poor.” “Some will tell you that the leadership is punishing the Iraqi people. That is not my perception, or experience from living in Baghdad. And were that to be the case – how can that possibly justify further punishment, in fact collective punishment, by the United Nations? I don’t think so. And international law has no provision for the disproportionate and murderous consequences of the ongoing UN embargo – for well over 12 long years.” Even Halliday’s successor, Hans von Sponeck, subsequently also resigned in protest, calling the effects of the sanctions a “true human tragedy”.

      British writer Harold Pinter declared in his 2005 Nobel Prize acceptance speech:

      “We have brought torture, cluster bombs, depleted uranium, innumerable acts of random murder, misery, degradation and death to the Iraqi people and call it ‘bringing freedom and democracy to the Middle East’. How many people do you have to kill before you qualify to be described as a mass murderer and a war criminal? One hundred thousand? More than enough, I would have thought. Therefore it is just that Bush and Blair be arraigned before the International Criminal Court of Justice”. “1990-2011 Iraqi deaths from US Alliance violence (1.7 million) or violently-imposed deprivation (2.9 million) total 4.6 million and one can in 2015 paraphrase this great humanitarian: “How many people do you have to kill before you qualify to be described as a mass murderer and a war criminal? 4.6 million? More than enough, I would have thought”. Visit url below for further details; http://www.globalresearch.ca/12th-anniversary-of-the-illegal-invasion-of-iraq-the-anglo-american-iraqi-genocide/5438977

      Re: “…. a good many of you here just hate America.”

      Could you please locate the word “America” in my previous comment? But surely, it’s your conscience (which is murdered repeatedly) compelling you to feel guilty.

    • JAZ Z

      Re: As you started “One solid fact I will present below….” I suggest, better you make a roll of your absurd “Solid facts” already printed in the coward, bigoted, intolerant and venomous (but your respected) western news media and ask them how to use these rolled facts inside, to further enhance the script of your fairy-tales.

    • JAZ Z

      What you wrote ” Morruwah ” or ” MORU ‘ AH ” is written like this “مروعة” in Arabic and the meaning is “Awesome” ref; to dictionary.com. Now you tell me what did YOU mean by this word? But, there’s completely different word in English “VENGEANCE” which has, revenge, retaliation, retribution as its synonyms. Did you mean that? If yes, then I would like to cry for your dumbness. Why are you wasting other’s precious time?

    • JAZ Z

      Ah ! ! ! literally, I’m fed up with your futile babbling repeatedly. You are the lone creature over this land, a top order ignoramus, who’s become so ignoble in hostility that, has totally lost the ability of discernment. Don’t you feel ashamed while defending the atrocities of West. It’s okay, your bread n butter is secured with them, but there’s an important object called “conscience”, which also matters. But, that’s meaningless to the immoral creatures like you. Did you ever think why US+28 nations encroached Iraq? Was it logical to search WMD by using WMD itself? Who has given US or any nation, the authority to encroach others land? This is nothing but International hooliganism. If anybody refers to the cruelty and oppression of the Saddam’s regime, then I don’t find a bigger blind stupid on this earth, looking to the present situation in Iraq. But, you’ll never get that, since you’re also one among them. There are tens of nations in the world where more cruelty or brutality is existent, what these nations would do there? Are these western nations ‘International Contract Killers’? Moreover, you didn’t dare to reply (even touch) to my listed queries, instead you created a new tale of portraits on poker playing cards theory. Hahaha! What a moronic statement. You wrote “Iraqis officials, who were wanted by United States military occupation forces and the CIA”. This statement of your’s is an evidence of a hidden Conspiracy. Is Iraq under US territory? Or under American Government? Who is US to arrest other nations’ officials? There’s lot of atrocities over the African Americans, so would US allow it’s officials to be prosecuted by any other nation? As you’ve admitted above “US military occupation forces”, foriegn military occupation means oppression and tyranny. Re: “So were other Iraqi high Ba’athist officials, under Saddam Hussein, who have never been captured by the occupation forces.” Similarly, you’ll never refrain from issuing stupid and moronic statements. Re: “He has to rely upon…. colleagues of Ba’athists…. generals and army officers…. photographs were not on any card of the 54 deck / pack of cards” Your tale of stupidity continues endlessly, without any evidence.

      Re: “VEANGENCE” for ” Morruwah ” or ” MORU ‘ AH ” means in Arabic. Instead, you could have provided direct definition of VEANGENCE in English, if it really exists…

    • One solid fact I will present below will completely and totally show how ignorant you are and all what you post, on this thread, reflect so poorly on you, as claims or hallucinations: You, fool, must know that the Iraqis officials, who were wanted by United States military occupation forces and the CIA, were only 54 Iraqi public figures, starting with Saddam Hussein, Izzat Ibrahim, who was Saddam’s Vice President Tareq Aziz, who was Iraq’s Foreign Minister etc.. The photographs of those most wanted Ba’athists were printed on the cards of a deck of poker playing cards, and were distributed to the American troops to capture them, if they saw them and should take them into custody. The American occupiers had done a good job in capturing many of the 54 most wanted Iraqis, but not all. Izzat Ibrahim, who was Saddam’s Vice President, has not been captured till this present time. So were other Iraqi high officials, under Saddam Hussein, who have never been captured by the occupation forces. It has been reported, every now and then, by Iraqi and other Arab news media that Izzat Ibrahim has been waging arm-resistance against the Iranian influence in Iraq, as he had done against the American occupiers when they occupied Iraq. Izzat Ibrahim could not carry on the needed resistance by himself alone. He has to rely upon his former colleagues of Ba’athists who were generals and army officers of all ranks. This one single piece of factual information should be enough to make any SENSIBLE human being, who claims and hallucinates, as you do, feels ashamed of his rude bragging for what he or she has never been able to be anything else. Take this advice from an old man: Learn what the word, ” Morruwah ” or ” MORU ‘ AH ” means in Arabic. If you can understand all the meanings for what this particular word stands for in Arabic, then and only then, you will be able to understand what VEANGENCE, to Iraqi Ba’athists like IZZAT IBRAHIM and his followers of Ba’athists really means. Otherwise, you will remain enslaved by your miserable conspiracy theory. I really have no more time to waste on your garbage. Enough is Enough, my boy.

    • Your ” truth ? ” and your ” courage ? ” are only self-defeating to the mentality within the bones of your empty head. You have no facts and no evidences, let alone logic. You have only claims and hallucinations and they will remain as such: claims and hallucinations, as long as your conspiracy theory keeps enslaving the f****d up way in which you think, post and behave. Grow-up, boy. You only are fooling yourselves with your ” truth ? ” and your ” courage ? ” and your ” very simple “logic? ” Pity and also Sad, indeed !! .

    • JAZ Z

      Pity on you rather. It happens, usually to any body, when so many solid evidences surround, one has no way out to escape. Moreover, my arguments were very simple, logic and to the point. Is there a limit, how many realities would you deny? Have courage, and at least, search for the truth.

    • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

      Thanks for clearing that up pops!

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