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Kookie Pastor Pat Robertson Babbles About ‘Demonic Islam’

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Poor Pastor Pat, everywhere he goes he sees devils and evil. (h/t: JD, KP)

Pat Robertson Claims Islam Is ‘Demonic’ And ‘Not A Religion’ But An Economic System (VIDEO)

(Huffington Post)

Controversial conservative Christian Pat Robertson doubled down Tuesday on claims that Islam is not a religion.

According to Right Wing Watch, Robertson, an elder statesman of the evangelical movement, made the inflammatory claim during an episode of his TV program, “The 700 Club.”

“Every time you look up — these are angry people, it’s almost like it’s demonic that is driving them to kill and to maim and to destroy and to blow themselves up,” Robertson said of Islam. “It’s a religion of chaos.”

He went on to say, “I hardly think to call it a religion, it’s more of — well, it’s an economic and political system with a religious veneer.”

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    • syed ali

      oh Pat the difference between you and me Is that I do not claim to be “holier than thou”

    • Géji

      I think what “xmax65” is trying to mean is that most anti-Muslim Islamophobes (especially the right-winger fundamentalist Christians, but they’re not the only ones) are also mostly Anti-Jew Judeophobes as well. And giving the historical facts, historically in the minds of the Euro-American anti-Other bigots, specially on the European side, the Jew and the Muslim identities have always been easily interchangeable. Except that now since its easier to bash the Muslim than the Jew (openly wise at least) they do their best to hide their contempt for Jew to unleash all their hate and frustration they have for both groups solely on the Muslim.

    • Talking_fish_head

      and signed 99.999999% of the Human Race

    • mindy1

      Dear Pat, please stop speaking for me: I do not care what people call me, as long as they believe Signed God

    • I’m certain he did, but I can’t remember when, or what exactly was said. I didn’t watch his show much even during my most conservative phase. I was never really into his brand of Christianity.

    • Heinz Catsup

      Hasn’t he said this a number of times previous? I even remember Walid Shoebat appearing one time on his show.

    • Hopefully a lot of them have an odd sense of humor and are just doing it for LOLs.

    • Unfortunately some people still do believe just about everything Pat Robertson says.

    • Crow

      And rev pat keeps fleecing them out of their social security checks. he eats cavier, they eat cat food.

    • Crow

      Is there ever a time when “Christian” pat Robertson didn’t babble?

    • Talking_fish_head

      i said it once and i’ll say it again, If people can harness Human Stupidity as a power source, it would power the entire world for generations.

      this guy belongs in the mad house along with Geller and Wilders. actually his comments are so stupid its hilarious

    • xmax65

      lol – silly pat robinson’s always confusing islamists, with judaists . he sure is getting senile!

    • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

      Apparently a sizable portion of those who watch the 700 Club because they keep tuning in.

    • Talking_fish_head

      Do people still believe this Lunatic?

Radio Talk Show Host Laurie Roth Takes An Interest in Male Muslim Genitalia

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by Emperor

Muslim men if you’re ever around radio talk show host Laurie Roth, guard your private parts, she might go Lorena Bobbitt on you. Roth wants so-called “Islamic males” (whatever that means) to be castrated. In a psychotic Islamophobic article (If Islamic males can’t control themselves, is castration the answer?) that plays on falsities, generalizations and alleged statements and crimes by some Muslims, Roth advocates castration,

It is time for castrations of Muslim males who pathologically abuse women sexually…

According to Roth one of the criteria for a Muslim male who is sexually abusing his wife or daughter is if women related to them wear the veil. Clearly Roth cannot countenance any Muslim woman voluntarily wearing a veil or headscarf, for her its all just male imposed misogynistic sexual abuse.

We should all agree that those who rape and abuse women sexually be severely punished, I can even understand the emotive desire to want to cut off such people’s private parts, tragically too many abusers get away with such horrid criminality which cuts across cultures.

The purpose of Roth’s article however is not to secure the rights of women, rather Roth only takes out her rusty castration blade for Muslim men, purposefully ignoring rampant sexual abuse elsewhere, in say the US military where 1/3rd of women have been raped and 90% have faced sexual abuse or the Catholic clergy pedophilia and sex abuse epidemic.

Why doesn’t she make equally shrill cries regarding perpetrators of sexual abuse against women and children in these traditions and institutions? It’s because she is an Islamophobic hypocrite.

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    • Ahmed

      Up the Irons!!!

  • Tanveer Khan

    Yeah i think she did. Doesnt matter anymore though.

Geller’s new anti-Islam ad to debut in New York – with disclaimer

Pamela Geller is using and abusing the symbolism of the Twin Towers and coupling it with verses from the Quran again, she says,

I refuse to abridge my free speech so as to appease savages.”

Of course for the racist Geller, anyone, especially a Muslim who criticizes her and exposes her loonieness is a savage. She just goes out of her way to display hate. I’m thinking this campaign will be another dud with various interfaith organizations and representatives of mainstream religious groups condemning her and the wider populace ignoring her crazy rantings.

Geller’s new anti-Islam ad to debut in New York – with disclaimer

Pamela Geller is at it again.

The outspoken blogger and Executive Director of the American Freedom Defense Initiative has just purchased a slew of advertising space in several subway stations and on numerous Metro-North platforms in order to display her newest anti-Islam message.

Her latest ads, shared exclusively with The Observer, will feature a panorama of the sky the moment the World Trade Center burst into flames in 2001, accompanied by a quote from the Quran that reads “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers.”

However, an MTA disclaimer taking up 25% of the ad space will be presented in conjunction with Ms. Geller’s message for the first time. “This is a paid advertisement sponsored by American Freedom Defense Initiative. The display of this advertisement does not imply MTA’s endorsement of any views expressed,” it reads.

The MTA’s new disclaimer policy came in September of this year following an incident in which protestor Mona Eltahawy, 45, was filmed spray-painting another AFDI advertisement, which equated Muslims with savages.

Following the September incident, Ms. Geller has been busy crafting new advertisements for her campaign beginning December 17. The new ads will be plastered across at least 50 different locations, the MTA confirmed, the result of an ad buy worth more than $10,000.

“I refuse to abridge my free speech so as to appease savages,” Ms. Geller told The Observer.

New York Observer, 7 December 2012

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    • B. aggacitto

      Tighe McCandless,

      Thank you SO much for that comment! Regarding the violence and murder in the Qur’an, (9:1-6 would only be one example) Muhammad the Muslim prophet certainly WAS adhearing to the Abramic prophetic prototype it is true!

      Context? Historical context would speak of how that was THEN and this is NOW. According to the Qur’an the only “revelation” not being given for all time is that which is abrogated 2:106. Surra 16:101 would be another example.

      Surra 2: Verses (2) This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil). (3) Who believe in the Unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them…

      This is only one spot of several, the point is that there is nothing that would imply that ANY part of the Qur’an is outdated today, again, aside from what has been abrogated. Too bad you can’t have your cake and eat it too!

      Have a great day!

      Brother Mark:)

    • Morrigan Nic Cormac

      The job of the ADL is to attack critics of Israel and demonize them as anti-Semites. Of course they are not going to sully their hands with direct endorsement of loons like Geller but I would not be surprised to find they finance them on the side.

      Most Americans have no clue who Geller or Spencer are. They are just highly visible and carefully staged distractions from the real propagators of Islamophobia, which is the mainstream media and Zionist organizations and publications. They are professional scapegoats whose job it is to remove the stigma of Islamophobic bigotry and carry it on their shoulders while shielding the major perps from scrutiny.

      Obviously, the tactic is working.

    • MAalHakeem

      Again, someone who don’t know what the term “terror” in Arabic means thinks he made progress.

      The problem isn’t with the Qur’ānic verse but with the modern, or the publicized to be precise, definition of “terror.” In Arabic the word is “ru’b” which does mean “terror” but there s much more to it. The historical context is after the battle of Uhud when the pagan enemies of Muslims vowed to return to fight them, so Allāh revealed this verse to assure the Muslims that He would instill fear and “terror” in the enemies’ hearts by “deterring” them from fighting, which is the proper meaning of the verse and should have been included as commentary.

      The same goes for 8:60 where Muslims, like any nation on earth, should prepare for war to acquire peace, by strengthening their defenses and weapons for the sake of “deterrence.” The US and Israel are always bragging about their defenses (the Iron Dome, nukes, etc.) in front of the whole world, so they are technically following this Qur’ānic teaching.

Loony Pamela Geller: Petraeus Resignation Is an Obama Plot to Put a Muslim in Charge of the CIA

Typical Geller hysteria. This is what we can expect over the next four years, more of the same. (h/t:CriticalDragon):

Loony Pamela Geller: Petraeus Resignation Is an Obama Plot to Put a Muslim in Charge of the CIA

by Charles Johnson (LGF)

The right wing universe is now in full-bore conspiracy theory mode over the resignation of CIA Director David Petraeus, just as I predicted. It’s a case study in the conservative movement’s decline into bad craziness; they’re all muttering darkly about cover-ups and hidden connections and “questioning the timing.”

One of the most brain-dead of the wingnuts, loony hateblogger Pamela Geller, has a typical post on the subject; for her it’s all part of the Islamic supremacist stealth shariah takeover of America, of course:

GENERAL DAVID PETRAEUS RESIGNS – Atlas Shrugs.

I do not believe it was the real reason was [sic] an extramarital affair. I believe it was Benghazi. He refused to be the fall guy. When did an affair ever stop a Democrat. If anything….

Perhaps one of Obama’s many Muslim Brotherhood advisors are on the shortlist to replace him.

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    • Leftwing_Muslim_Alliance

      I have checked your security clearance and it appears that you do have authorisation to be told the truth .

      As you know we have agents all over the world under deep cover secretly working for the worldwide take over . Such as president Obama who was really born in New York Harlem , we just made it look like he was born on a remote island to make people look stupid and boy did that one work out well.

      I can reveal exclusively to you ,so dont tell anyone, that we have people under Deeeeep Deeep cover as well . Pam “MacBeth” Geller started out as a Tunisian Bordello owner who found religion and decided to dedicate her life to the cause many years ago . Would you believe she is 72 and a half! Her role is to make so many comments and ideas that are obviously the product of someone bonkers so that our real plots are able to sneak in un noticed I think its working well .Dont you agree ?

      Sir David

    • Kirook

      The woman described in this article is the problem, along with others like her.. She is foiling our Stealth Jihad, and we’ve been doing an admirable job concealing it, so much so that almost all of ” ‘Merica” is hoodwinked. But not Pam Geller. The only way she could have avoided our Muslamic Brainwashing is with inside help!

    • Leftwing_Muslim_Alliance

      Hello European director of Stealth Jihad here, What appears to be the problem?

      Sir David

    • Kirook

      To elaborate: no, you’re not automatically an Islamophobe if you criticize Islam so long as you do it in civil discourse, with an open mind, accepting other people’s points if they’re correct and rebutting them if not.

    • Kirook

      Brain? What brain?

    • Kirook

      This should probably go to the director of Stealth Jihad, but someone in the Upper Echelon allowed Pamela Geller to foil our creeping sharia plot! They must be punished.

    • Pamela

      CIA should hire Pamela. Her looks can kill . She is a seductress , Goddess Sedusa . Heil Pamela

    • Mideast Pete

      In response to my posting, Ilisha says “Even I can see his originating IP and approximate the location. Why does he appear to be comfortable posting derogatory comments about his host country on a public forum, if it’s so oppressive?

      Bravery? Stupidity? Onion router?”

      Firstly I have no idea what an Onion Router is. Also how was I being derogator about my host country ? I very much love living in my host country and in many ways it is better than my home country. I have spent most of my working life in the MENA region. But as I am sure you are aware, compared to Europe or the US, in most of the Middle East you have to keep your opinion on certain topics out of the public domain. Even mild criticism of the religion or rulers or the system can lead to jail. Last week a national was sentenced to jail for a mild tweet comment on one of the ruling family.

    • Nevermore

      “So where did she say it was an Obama Plot ? And you accuse Jihad Watch of sensationalising stories”

      Yeah, it was sensationalism. Ilisha’s quote pretty much proves that that’s what she was suggesting, even if it wasn’t typed out. Unsurprisingly, rather than following Occam’s Razor (the simplest solution is often the correct one), she goes for the most unprovable, pandering-to-her-base commentary she can think up. Business as usual, in other words.

      “I live in a country where if you publicly critise Islam you will spend a long time in Jail if you are not first beaten to death by a crazed mob.”

      I’ve yet to see one person here on Loon Watch who’s a Muslim, or sympathetic to Muslims, say that people should be tossed in jail or hurt (or worse) for criticizing Islam; if such types DO come around, then Ilisha obviously ignores their comments. The implication that we would support such activity is, quite frankly, ridiculous. It’s also irrelevant to the topic at hand.

    • Just Stopping By

      @Sarah Brown: I take your last comment as meaning that there is a minimum of one incredibly brilliant, witty, and, of course, humble, poster at HP in addition to yourself.

      Anyway, if there is a debate, I actually want to see the topic before I decide which side to take or which group to join. Also, if there are good arguments made by the side I am not initially on, I might even switch sides! I guess I’m not much of a team player.

  • Sarah Brown

    Very much agree with you about the comments, JSB. ‘Vile bigot’ seems quite adequate. I hope it won’t freak you out if I let you know that I asked an HP friend of mine, quite seriously, if he was posting here using the name ‘Just Stopping By’ as you seemed so similar

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer Raise Funds for EDL Leader’s Legal Defence

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are raising money for head EDL boss Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson) who was arrested for using a false passport to enter the USA and attend Geller’s anti-Muslim rally on 9/11.

Geller and Spencer are both raising funds for Yaxley-Lennon, and involvement in the conspiracy to illegally bring Yaxley-Lennon over may includeNew York State Senator David Storbin. (h/t: Jai)

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer Raise Funds for EDL Leader’s Legal Defence

(Barth’s Notes)

Pamela Geller writes about the plight of English Defence League leader Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka “Tommy Robinson”), who was recently arrested:

Many of you have responded to my article “Darkness Descending in England” by asking how to help. Legal funds are badly needed. Tommy’s situation in prison is terrible, and they urgently need to raise funds to pay lawyers to address this situation and provide him with the best possible legal defense.

Donations to Tommy’s legal fund can be made online via the EDL website here. Please, do it. SION as well as AFDI are contributing, in addition to all of the other work we are doing, This is a priority. Robinson and Kevin Carroll are part of our international team, members of SION’s President’s council, key players in the worldwide struggle for freedom.

Demand equal treatment for Tommy Robinson rather than sharia inspired victimisation!

Robert Spencer, as ever, is providing the chorus, with a piece entitled “Urgent: Help defend Tommy Robinson from a monstrously unjust leviathan state apparatus”.

Carroll and Robinson attended an anti-Islam conference organised by Geller in New York on 11 September; Carroll memorably waved around British tabloid newspapers bearing headlines about Christianity in the UK. Robinson’s presence was curious; as the anti-EDL site EDL News noted:

…in September 2010, Robinson travelled over to the United States to attend a 9/11 event with other far right extremists. Upon arrival he was detained at John F Kenedy airport for several hours, refused entry and was then deported. No doubt due to his links with the far right and his lenghty criminal record, which has increased significantly since then with a spell on remand in the UK, a conviction for assault and three days inside a Swiss prison for a rooftop protest that went wrong.

One explanation is someone in high places has pulled strings for Robinson to enter the country. Robinson claimed on Twitter last night that he was sat next to New York State Senator David Storobin.

Now, however, it has been reported that

He tried to use a passport in the name of “Andrew McMaster” to enter the United States on September 10 this year, Southwark Crown Court heard.

Of course, at this moment in time the claim is just an allegation, and we should not infer guilt ahead of legal action. However, it is difficult to see in the arrest evidence of “sharia inspired victimisation”. It has also been noted that Robinson sent a Tweet to Geller on 10 Oct, asking for her phone number and adding ”Think there will be some activity this week about my trip to the usa”.

Robinson has also mentioned another allegation:

Arrested on suspicion of assault on Sayful Islam yest in B.Park? U can’t make this up. He still not been arrested for assaulting me on tv?

I blogged on Islam’s assault on Robinson (a slap through a car window) here. It should be remembered that Robinson is reluctant to involve the police in such matters.

A second element in the story is the arrest of 53 EDL members on a motorway soon afterwards; according to the BBC:

The men were heading to a location in east London, but police have not revealed where they were due to gather.

All 53 were arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to cause public nuisance, the Metropolitan Police said.

Geller wrote:

The arrest of over 53 people in the United Kingdom is the beginning of the end for once-great Britain. The leaders of the English Defence League (EDL), Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll, were among those arrested, as well as Paul Weston of the British Freedom Party (BF).

…According to Carroll, Robinson was incarcerated for leaving the United Kingdom and entering the United States fraudulently for our September 11, 2012 Stop Islamization of Nations free speech conference in New York City.

…This is a defining moment in British history, as significant as any major turning point. It is in many respects like the Night of the Long Knives, which marked the point of no return from Nazism for Germany.

Geller’s historical parallel means that she’s comparing the EDL to the Brownshirts, although presumably this is unintentional. Carroll was arrested separately, while Weston was later arrested for breach of the peace while “demanding” information about Robinson at Wormwood Scrubs prison in west London. This turned out to be the wrong location; Robinson was in fact at Wandsworth.

Up until the middle of last year, Geller and Spencer were wary of association with EDL; the alliance was finally cemented in June. Having invested so heavily in the organisation, they have no other option than to continue aggressively to assert a narrative of political persecution; but one wonders if privately they have reservations. The video below, uploaded by “MrlaughingattheEDL” and expanded upon by EDL News, suggests there is good reason for them to be cautious.

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    • Fred

      @Watcher.

      ‘Every one who opposes Islam is called a fascist’

      No, it’s just those like Spencer, Geller, the EDL and affiliates who are intolerant and hate-filled against people of a particular other faith.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 5:32)

    Jai said “Draw your own conclusions about Pamela Geller, considering her continuing actions. Geller has either been tricked by her closest American & British allies, or she is completely lacking in self-respect, or her self-proclaimed “Jewish” identity is fake”

    I vote for all of the above

Michigan City: Judge Bans Pamela Geller’s anti-Muslim Ads

Sounds like a lot of legal minutia that could have gone either way. At the end of the day I don’t think it would be a big issue if Pamela Geller‘s ads about “Leaving Islam” were to go up. I find her racist Ayn Rand “Savages” ad more problematic and likely to be rejected.

Of course Geller is going bonkers over the issue, framing it as “Shariah law” submission and the whole lot, when it has to do with technical legalese rather than any impending “dhimmi” capitulation to “Islamization.” But what do you expect?:

Michigan City Bans Anti-Islam Bus Ads

(Opposing Views)

CINCINNATI (CN) – The public transit authority in southeastern Michigan has the right to ban advertisements that it deems political for targeting Islam, the 6th Circuit ruled.

Though a federal judge in Detroit had previously granted the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) an injunction, a three-judge appellate panel upheld the viewpoint-neutral ban on political advertising enforced by the Suburban Mobility Authority for Regional Transportation (SMART).

AFDI, a nonprofit that “acts against … government officials, the mainstream media and others,” had said that SMART violated its First Amendment rights in refusing to run its ad promoting the website RefugeFromIslam.com.

The ad read as follows: “Fatwa on your head? Is your family or community threatening you? Leaving Islam? Got questions? Get Answers! RefugefromIslam.com.”

In granting the injunction last year, U.S. District Judge Denise Hood noted that SMART had allowed an atheist advertisement by the Detroit Coalition for Reason.

The appellate panel rejected this comparison, however, because “the atheist advertisement could be viewed as a general outreach to people who share the Detroit Coalition’s beliefs, without setting out any position that could result in political action. The fatwa advertisement, however, addresses a specific issue that has been politicized.”

Advertising space on SMART buses is a nonpublic forum, according to the ruling. “SMART … has completely banned political advertising, showing its intent to act as a commercial proprietor and to maintain its advertising space for purposes that indicate that the space is a nonpublic forum,” Judge John Rogers wrote for the court. “Allowing the discussion of politics would likely decrease SMART’s revenue,” he added. “For example, if a fast-food restaurant sold advertising space on the side of its store to a neo-Nazi political group for a campaign advertisement, the restaurant would be likely to lose business. Similarly, SMART’s ridership likely would diminish were SMART to allow political advertisements.”

AFDI argued that the ban on political advertising was unconstitutional, but Rogers countered by citing the 1974 case Lehman v. City of Shaker Heights, writing that “an outright ban on political advertisements is permissible if it is a ‘managerial decision’ focused on increasing revenue to limit advertising ‘space to innocuous and less controversial commercial and service oriented advertising.’”

After confirming that SMART’s policy against political advertising is permissible, the panel concluded that “it was reasonable for SMART to conclude that the content of AFDI’s advertisement – the purported threat of violence against nonconforming Muslims in America – is, in America today, decidedly political.”

The panel cited AFDI’s own complaint for evidence of its political agenda, writing that “the complaint explains that AFDI ‘promotes its political objectives by, inter alia, sponsoring anti-jihad bus and billboard campaigns, which includes seeking advertising space on SMART vehicles.’”

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    • mr.ed

      Political speech is the most highly protected in the US. The ads, as distasteful and untrue as they are, will eventually go up.

  • mindy1

    WOOT Go Michigan

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon Arrested, Will Pamela Geller Be Next?

Stockholm, 8/4/12: US Islamophobes, Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller proudly stand shoulder-to-shoulder with co-founder and EDL thug, Stephen Lennon, aka Tommy Robinson.

(h/t: Jai)

SION’s closest UK allies are in deep water. On top of 53 EDL activists being arrested, EDL leader Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson) was also arrested by Met police for entering the USA illegally.

Following yesterday’s police operation that saw 53 EDL activists including EDL leaders Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll arrested, things are looking a little bleak for the tiny tinpot racist.

Tommy has been released on bail pending further enquiries and he has taken to Twitter to reveal how much trouble he is actually in.

Not forgetting several court cases that are pending with Robinson, he appears to be on the point of being remanded in prison for entering the USA illegally last month.

Tommy writes “Been arrested for fraud for flying to America for invitation to speak in new York on Sept 11th. Met police are a joke …#political policing”

He also claims he has been arrested on suspicion of assaulting the Luton based Islamic extremist Sayful Islam.

Tommy isn’t happy, but if his Twitter claims are true I am !!

For more on the arrests of Yaxley-Lennon and his comrades, see: “Tommy Robinson Remanded: In Custody for Entering the US Illegally“, “Tommy Robinson and 53 EDL supporters held after Police Motorway Sting,” and the “Statement by the Met Police.”

This may bode ill for Pamela Geller considering the fact that (according to an article by the British anti-racism organisation “Hope Not Hate”) at the time Geller is also on record as claiming that she was involved in “sneaking Yaxley-Lennon into the country,” it will be interesting to see if she is arrested/prosecuted by the relevant US immigration authorities too. Yaxley-Lennon appears to have been aware that he was in trouble about all this, as last week he tweeted Geller about his recent trip to the US and expressed his wish to privately discuss matters further: http://twitpic.com/b3ceqv/full.

Pamela Geller is going hysterical at the moment on her blog ranting with the usual verbal diarrhea about the UK government being “dhimmis” and “weak” and how this is an unprecedented attack on “freedom fighters” like herself, etc. Sounds like she is scared that she will be exposed  in this mess as well.

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    • Jai

      “New Europe” have published an excellent article summarising recent events, cross-published by Hope Not Hate. I’ve highlighted a few key areas in bold below.

      Links: http://hopenothate.org.uk/news/article/2465/british-far-right-collapses, http://www.neurope.eu/article/british-far-right-collapses

      Full article:

      British far right collapses New Europe by Andy Carling | Tuesday, 23 October 2012

      Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, leader of the English Defence League (EDL), has spent years in a controversial campaign to see “extremist Muslims” imprisoned and is now complaining that the prison he is now in is “full of Muslim extremists.”

      Yaxley-Lennon and 52 others have been arrested in a dramatic police swoop as they travelled to London for an unofficial demonstration outside a mosque. The far right extremists, including candidate for Bedfordshire Police Commissioner, Kev Carroll had hired trucks for the extremists to hide in as they attempted to reach their destination unnoticed. The police were aware of the operation and stopped the vehicles and arrested the occupants.

      Yaxley-Lennon has been charged with assault and using a false passport to attend a demonstration in New York in September, which carries both the risk of being extradited to the US or a sentence of up to 10 years in the UK.

      This may be the same false identity he used to enter the European Parliament earlier in the year for a covert meeting of extremists, including several repeatedly praised by Norwegian killer, Anders Breivik.

      Sajjad Karim MEP, whose house was invaded by EDL thugs, three of which were imprisoned for the demonstration said, “It is deeply alarming to hear that such a high profile extremist figure was able to enter and exit America with false documentation. And this comes after his anti-Islam speech in the European Parliament in July where again he entered by using false documents. This lunatic is a danger to society and must be reprimanded.”

      The fortunes of the EDL have faded over the last year, to a point where they can no longer bring people to demonstrations in significant numbers. A high turnout now is around 10% of their peak.

      They have also failed to transform themselves into a political force. Not only have they failed to articulate a policy agenda, in May Yaxley-Lennon and his cousin Kev Carroll became vice-chairmen of the British Freedom Party, an organization with a tiny membership, founded by Paul Watson, formerly of UKIP.

      [Yaxley-Lennon] resigned from the party in October, after a disastrous EDL demonstration in Walthamstow in London. The poorly attended rally was halted by local people and the EDL leaders ran back to Luton, leaving their members to be arrested and held for hours.

      The EDL members have not provided a boost to the BFP membership. However, Yaxley-Lennon has been courted by American ‘counter-jihadists’ like Pamela Geller, whose demonstration he attended in New York, which has now landed him in trouble.

      Paul Weston has tried to stand by the EDL leader. He visited Wormwood Scrubs prison in London demanding to meet Yaxley-Lennon but was arrested for causing a breach of the peace. The ineptitude of the far-right party can be seen from the fact that Yaxley-Lennon was actually in Wandsworth prison, some distance away.

      The EDL have promised to return to Walthamstow, but with all 53 of those arrested barred from the area, it is hard to see how it will be anything but another failure.

      However, as the EDL collapses into chaos, and there is further trouble coming as they search for the informer behind the latest arrests, members’ attitudes have hardened, with more open threats of violence and even acts of terrorism are debated between them, not only privately but on social networks.

      The decline is mirrored in the British National Party, who now only have one MEP, Nick Griffin after his colleague, Andrew Brons quit the party. Many were surprised that Brons was still a member, having been at odds with Griffin for some time. Brons claims that “80% or 90% of the party’s membership, activists and former officials have left it and disappeared in several different directions.”

      Griffin may be joining the EDL leader in prison. After a recent court ruling where a gay couple were compensated for being turned away from a guest house, run by Christians, the BNP leader sent messages over the social media service Twitter, spreading the couple’s home address and promising that they would be visited by “a British Justice team.”

      Griffin has announced that he was prepared to go to jail over the issue, telling a Christian radio station, “I don’t want to, but the fact is that we are in, now, a totalitarian society where the indigenous majority of Christians and heterosexuals are the oppressed majority and I’m prepared to go to prison to protect their rights.”

      With the EDL and BNP, who detest each other, short of funds, having their political ambitions thwarted and the membership dissolving into competing splinter groups or giving up entirely, the far right in Britain is dying.

      This is not surprising. They are convinced that Islam is about to enslave the world. In the real world, people are concerned over the financial crisis and the effects of austerity. Instead of addressing this, the far right has been living in a paranoid fantasy world, completely disconnected from the hopes and fears of ordinary people.

      Yaxley-Lennon is due in court 7 January 2013.

    • Rights

      I am certainly pleased on account that the law enforcement agencies are willing to arrest those potential terrorists who are not Muslims and whose only association with Muslims and Islam is their hatred of Muslims and Islam.

    • Heinz Catsup

      @Xithurel

      Animal? Really? Okay, humans may be mentally superior & all but I feel comparing Geller to an animal is an insult as animals are far better than humans like her as they do not wish to hurt you unless they feel threatened or abused and wish to defend themselves as a result.

    • Nevermore

      “I guess that Geller and all these arseholes believe they are above the law.”

      They only like the law when it manages to find ways to club Muslims over the head. Whenever the law doesn’t work in their favor, they’ll shriek about ‘liberal enablers’ and ‘creeping shariah law.’ It’s a remarkably schizophrenic attitude, all things considered.

    • moosern

      It is illegal to aid someone into the US illegally. The penalty is a fine and/or 5 years in prison. Unless it was done so for financial gain then it’s 10 years. Oh, the irony of someone who wants to deport immigrants going to prison for being a coyote.

  • wajjpuff

    Dear oh Dear…..how can you takes loons like tommy robinson seriously when he pulls stunts like this.

    his joke of a movement the EDL gets their ass’s handed to them whenever they make a public appearance in the UK……..long may that continue

    as for tommy lets hope the americans are not gentle on him at all

This is What You Can Expect From a Mitt Romney Presidency: Islamophobia

It’s going to be Islamophobia on crack if Mitt Romney wins (thanks for all who sent in tips):

Pamela Geller, for all those who’ve forgotten is the looniest blogger ever. Everything out of her mouth competes with everything she has said in the past to be more over-the-top, racist, hateful, and Islamophobic.

Just take look at a sampling of her positions over the past three years:

Pamela Geller calls for the destruction of the Golden Dome;  Obama is a Mooslim, Jihadist, Pimp, anti-Semite who is aiding the Iranian Nuclear program;  Sharia Coke is taking over the world, it is defamation of Judaism and Christianity for Islam to include Moses and Jesus as Prophets of Islam;  Pamela Geller is a Holocaust Revisionist who claims that Hitler and the Nazis adopted Jihad;  Not only is Obama a secret Muslim, but according to Pamela Geller,  “Obama is bringing his jihad to Illinois…Obama’s treachery is breathtaking;  Pamela Geller calls for the nuking of Mecca, Medina, and Tehran;  Pamela Geller promotes a genocidal videoPamela Geller shows sympathy towards white supremacist;  Screenshot of Pamela Geller’s post on June 25th wherein she posted a video claiming that Muslims engage in bestiality;  Pamela Geller left speechless when called out for drawing a picture of the Prophet Muhammad with a pig’s face.

More serious than Geller posing in a pic with Mitt Romney is the insidious nature of Romney’s ties with the Islamophobia movement. Romney’s senior foreign policy adviser is none other than former Bush era UN Ambassador John Bolton.

One can only hope that in tonight’s debate the moderator questions Romney about his ties to radicals and inclusion of Islamophobes like John bolton on his staff. Gus from Little Green Footballs has compiled an incisive compilation of the ties between Bolton and Geller.:

Exhibit C: Mitt Romney Campaign Senior Foreign Policy Adviser John Bolton and Pamela Geller

Romney foreign policy adviser with hate group leader Pamela Geller in numerous meetings.

About John Bolton:

John Robert Bolton (born November 20, 1948) is an American lawyer and diplomat who has served in several Republican administrations. Appointed on a recess appointment, he served as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations from August 2005 until December 2006. He resigned in December 2006, when the recess appointment would have otherwise ended, because he was unlikely to win senate confirmation.

John Bolton and Mitt Romney

Bolton is currently a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), frequent op-ed contributor to the Wall Street Journal and the National Review, Fox News Channel commentator, foreign policy adviser to 2012 presidential candidate Mitt Romney, and of counsel to the law firm Kirkland & Ellis, in their Washington D.C. office…

The reader should be reminded of the connection between Anders Breivik and Pamela Geller. There is also a connection between Anders Brevik and Robert Spencer.Tommy Robinson’s hooliganism and right-wing extremism is notorious and too extensive to cover here. You can however find many articles covering his organization, the English Defence League, which has been covered extensively at LGF including his connection to Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer.

There is no vast conspiracy at play here. However, it should be disturbing enough that the senior foreign policy adviser to Mitt Romney, John Bolton, has the ear of anti-Islam extremist, Pamela Geller. Her connection with the EDL makes this plainly obvious. This my friends is the post-modern conservative movement, where we find odious characters in the Republican big tent whose lives are intertwined; in this case from Mitt Romney to Pamela Geller; Tommy Robinson (EDL), Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller; and most importantly, the close relationship of John Bolton and Pamela Geller.

Update I: Michael Elwood reminds us that another Islamophobe, Walid Phares is also a part of the Romney’s inner circle,

John Bolton isn’t the only Islamophobe in Romney’s inner circle. His main Middle East advisor is Walid Phares:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/10/walid-phares-mitt-romney-lebanese-forces

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/10/2011102673018375864.html

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    • Michael Elwood

      Is his blog up and running againg? What’s with all the glitches?

    • Michael Elwood

      Did Kunwar Khuldune Shahid take down his Telegraph blog? If you google his name, the first result was his Telegraph article (even ahead of his facebook and and twitter page). And right under his article was my refutation of it that I posted on Oct. 23. He also abruptly stopped tweeting on the 23rd (except for one tweet on the 25th):

      https://twitter.com/khuldune

      His friends at the Council of Ex Muslims also mentioned his Telegraph article, then abruptly stopped talking about it on the 23rd:

      http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=bf47039694cc8ae3a6a85e94d14fa201&topic=22152.30

      What a bunch of phonies! I guess they had to do this to keep Kunwar’s career as a professional ex- Muslim (a la Wafa Sultan and Ayaan Hiirsi Ali) from ending before it even began. Let me post my other two comments here since the “brave” and “courageous” atheist took down his blog like a punk:

      I jokingly said you should call yourself a neoconservative instead of a paleoconsevative because some paleocons, including Muslims like Dr. Robert D. Crane and Prof. Richard S. Voss, aren’t Islamophobes. I disagree with their political views, but they are reasonable in their views of Islam and Muslims.

      paleocon44 says: “Kinda IS the point. There’s Islamic violence in many Countries throughout the world.”

      It kinda isn’t the point. Do you see what I mean by circular reasoning? How is the violence that you see everywhere “Islamic” when Islamic scripture prohibits wanton violence? Because you keep insisting that it’s “Islamic”?

      paleocon say: “I like the “living in peace” obfuscation since an absence of Terrorist acts is NOT necessarily ‘peace’.”

      The absence of violence is the very definition of peace.

      paleocon44 says: “Hopefully, we in the USA can avoid the obvious results of attempting to placate Islamists, stop immigration for a while to sort things out and stop enforcing Islamic Blasphemy Laws (so-called Hate speech which opposes Freedom of Speech) for a start.”

      LOL! Many American Muslims aren’t immigrants. Me, Robert D Crane, Richard Voss, Melissa Robinson, Kelly Wentworth, Keith Ellison, Andre Carson, Fire Marshal Kevin James, Dave Chappelle, Ryan Harris, Jermaine Jackson, Fatimah Jackson, and millions of other American Muslims and their families have probably been in this country longer than you and your family. Ironically, many of the Islamophobes like Sam Bacile, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish, Wafa Sultan, Walid Shoebat, Brigitte Gabriel, Jamie Glazov, etc. are the ones who are immigrants. If you stop immigration, you’d hurt Islamophobia more than you’d hurt Islam.

      As for “enforcing Islamic Blasphemy Laws”, I already demonstrated in my previous post that there is no clamor among American Muslims for “blasphemy laws” and there is no support for it in Islamic scripture. Stop projecting your beliefs onto Muslims! The Pussy Riot may get jail time for blasphemy against Christianity in Russia, but no one has ever gotten jail time for blasphemy against Islam in America.

      paleocon44 says: “As for the rest of your screed: It’s silly of you to try to deflect me and it’s silly of you to pretend, here, that the Islamic writings of the Quran, Hadithic, et al, do NOT justify the violence we can see all around the World.”

      What’s silly is your claim that the Quran justifies violence (which I refuted in my previous post). Equally silly is the implication that Islam is whatever “Muslims” do. I’d be willing to except that only if you also agree that Judaism, Christianity, atheism, etc. is whatever Jews, Christians, and atheists do.

      paleocon44 says: “‘Allahu Ackbar is the cry of Islamic rioters, rapists, murderers et al, the World over. . . .”

      Whoop-dee-doo! What’s the cry of Christian rioters, rapist, and murderers around the world like Anders Brevik, EDL, Golden Dawn, Ku Klux Klan, Christian Identity, Hutaree, Blackwater, Lord’s Restance Army, Caballeros Templarios (Knights Templar), La Familia Michoacana (the Family), National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), and Manmasi National Christian Army (MNCA)?

      paleocon44 says: “But they’re asking questions. They see Malaysia, Mali, Indonesia with their new Muslim majority destroying Holy sites of non-Muslims, tearing down Christian/Hindu/Indian, Natives, etc, places of worship, kill their fellow-Muslims (Shia vs. Sunni and both killing Alawites, etc.) EVERYWHERE they gain authority.”

      Malaysia, Mali, and Indonesia, have been majority Muslim for centuries. There’s nothing “new” about that. What is new is the Sunni minority trying to impose itself on the non-Sunni majority. According to a Pew survey, 56% of Indonesians identify themselves as “just Muslim” while only 26% identify as Sunni. 55% of Malians identify as “just Muslim” while only 20% identify as Sunnis. If I said Christians are trying to impose a Papacy and Canon Law in America you wouldn’t take me serious, if only because Catholics are a minority in America. Yet you expect me to take you seriously when you claim that Sunni minorities are going to impose a Sunni Caliphate and Sunni law not only in their own secular democratic countries, but around the world.

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      paleocon44 says: “lololol….. How many of you guys are working this ‘line’, anyway? Two? Three, I think.”

      It’s just me, Michael Elwood. I logged in with a Telegraph account because I was having trouble logging in with Facebook.

      paleocon44 says: “Well done! I usually escape the endless, meaningless… from your side, natch… l;-]… pre-canned arguments you trot out when you encounter idiots… well meaning, but idiots… like me.”

      If it makes you feel any better, supposedly smarter secular Islamophobes don’t do any better.

      paleocon44 says: “For anyone else following this fruitless back-n-forth who would like to learn more on this subject of Islamazation, I recommend the Gates of Vienna blog: Calm discourse without a ‘rabble-rouse’ to be seen. Urgent though… Islamic darkness is descending over the UK, EU et al.”

      If you want to learn more Gates of Vienna, I suggest the following links:

      https://www.loonwatch.com/2011/09/gates-of-vienna-incites-for-muslim-holocaust/

      https://www.loonwatch.com/2011/10/fjordman-back-at-gates-of-vienna-whose-tipsters-include-caroline-glick/

      https://www.loonwatch.com/2012/07/gates-of-vienna-hateblogger-ned-may-speaks-at-european-parliament-whines-about-lgf/

    • @DrM

      By the way, I agree with everything else you wrote in you last comment. Other than that it was spot on. Watcher really doesn’t think critically and it shows.

    • @DrM

      I happen to know a couple of Zionists who aren’t deranged. Try not to lump people together.

    • DrM

      watcher blabbed :

      “Let me make a prediction, if Obama gets re-elected, he will betray Israel in the second term.”

      So that’s what this is about, spoken like a typical deranged zionist(there are no other type). Never mind the fact that all your rubbish talking points have been refuted. According to you, Obama is killing Muslims with drones to maintain a pretense. Talk about teabagger spin and wishful thinking. I guess this is the natural result of chewing on Spencer’s excrement. Get back to me when you find those mythical Iraqi WMDs, idiot.

    • @Watcher

      Doesn’t large numbers of Muslims killing and betraying other Muslims go against the entire idea that Muslims are united front? It doesn’t exactly support the idea that most if not all Muslims are working together to take down America and Israel and the west in general. As for Obama’s views on things like Abortion and Gay Marriage, haven’t you heard of liberal Christians? Not all Christians support the religious right or the Republican party. Have you ever heard of people like Reverend Barry Lynn?

      http://www.au.org/about/people/lynn

      He doesn’t exactly think the government should outlaw gay marriage, and believes Abortion should remain legal under all circumstances. Come out and say he’s not a true Christian and you have committed the “No True Scotsmen” fallacy.

      Obama’s leftwing political views do not change the fact that he’s a Christian. Individual Christians have radically different interpretations of the faith, and what role, if any it should play in the government. The same goes for Muslims as well. There are Muslims who are anti Abortion and anti gay marriage, as well as Muslims who support Roe V Wade, and think that gays should be allowed to get married.

      I have friend whose a liberal ex Muslim turned atheist, whose upset with her Muslim father because he still supports the Republican party, in large part due to their opposition to gay marriage. I wouldn’t be surprised he also supported their anti abortion stance. Based on What she told me, her dad doesn’t really seem to care much about all the Islamophobia in the Republican Party, in spite of the fact that he’s a Muslim.

      As for Obama’s Cairo speech, it was only suspicious to people who already believed that he was a secret Muslim plotting the over throw of America. Him, praising Egypt, proves nothing. He wants them to be our ally. Why wouldn’t he say nice things about them and their country?

      Also even if America goes bankrupt under Obama, it wouldn’t give us any reason to think it was on purpose. If it was his fault, it would be far more likely to be due to mistakes, rather than some deliberate conspiracy to destroy America. As President, its not exactly in his interest to destroy the country he’s in charge of.

      As for Israel. I would be willing to bet you, that no matter what happens you’ll accuse Obama of betraying Israel, just so you won’t have to admit you were wrong. You have no good reason to think he’s planning on betraying Israel, when he hasn’t already, especially considering the fact that all your arguments are utterly pathetic.

    • Watcher

      @CriticalDragon1177

      Muslims killing and betraying Muslims isn’t that a huge part of the the Arab-spring !?

      Obama’s politics concerning abortion and gay-marriage proved his false claim concerning Christianity and the motive behind this is the Christian vote in America. Also his Cairo speech was very suspicious. Then there is the devastating politics of having Muslims in the US Army. The justification of the murder of the ambassador in Libya, etc.

      Just recently, Ahmadinejad suggested the US going bankrupt and one of the tactics is luring the US in an exhausting war against terror. For America going bankrupt, Obama comes in handy.

      Let me make a prediction, if Obama gets re-elected, he will betray Israel in the second term.

    • @Watcher

      Yes we should come to the conclusion that Obama is a Muslim extremist just because of couple videos. One that’s incredibly vague and other that was likely a slip up, which in no way proves he’s not a Christian like he says he is. In addition he’s having the US military kill genuine Muslim extremists as cover, the same Muslim extremists who would be the ones most likely to want to do the things you suspect him of secretly doing. Tell me, how does that make any sense?

      Also even after the elections, lets say Obama really did want to replace the constitution with Sharia, and turn the united states into theocracy based on an extremist interpretation of Islam like Saudi Arabia. How exactly would he do that, given the fact that most Americans, including most Muslim Americans wouldn’t support him?

      What Is Truth About American Muslims : Interfaith Alliance http://interfaithalliance.org/americanmuslimfaq

    • Watcher

      @Zakariya Ali Sher

      ‘If Obama is so ‘friendly’ towards Islam, then why did he up the drone attacks in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen? Why doesn’t he pull troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan?’

      – end quote

      Obama needs to keep up the pretension, he can not be to obvious about his real purposes. This all for the sake of being re-elected. After his re-election he will have a kind of freehand to implemented his true intentions:

      The following recordings are telling:

    • Michael Elwood

      @Chameleon

      It seems to be working now. I posted a response to him (along with some links to Loon Watch). But I don’t intend to engage with him for much longer.

    • Chameleon

      @Michael,

      You say, “But I couldn’t respond because I’m having trouble logging in. I don’t know if that’s by accident or design.”

      That is one reason I prefer to post on Muslim sites or strongly independent sites. Another reason is that I am writing primarily for the benefit of other Muslims, not just to win arguments against zombies who are incapable of a proper rebuttal and just parrot propaganda all day long. That said, since you had trouble posting, I put in a post on your behalf to the guy who replied to you, just for some entertainment value.

MondoWeiss: Pamela Geller’s 9/11 gathering features speaker calling for Islam to be ‘wiped out’

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer cozy up to Islamophobes who echo their own sentiments about wanting to see “Islam wiped off.” Spencer laughs at Hindu nationalist speaker at SION 9/11 event who compared Islam to bacteria, Muslims to rats and said “Islam will be wiped out.”

A few choice words by Dr. Babu Suseelan, a Hindu activist in Pennsylvania, provided one of these occasions.

“If we do not kill the bacteria,” the jowly Suseelan scolded the audience, “the bacteria will kill us.” Otherwise, he warned, “Muslims will breed like rats and they will be a majority.” Still, he concluded hopefully, “Islam can be stopped! And it can be wiped out.”

Spencer laughed, but Geller covered her face, as if witnessing the antics of a naughty child.

Pamela Geller’s 9/11 gathering features speaker calling for Islam to be ‘wiped out’

by Alex Kane (MondoWeiss)

On September 11, most Americans carried on with their day, perhaps pausing for a moment to reflect on the terrorist attacks in 2001. But not the crew of Islamophobes who have exploited the attacks as an opportunity to foment hatred of Muslims and profit off that hatred.

Leading anti-Muslim bloggers Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer held a September 11 gathering in New York City titled “D-Day in the Information Battle Space.” An initiative of what they call the International Freedom Defense Congress, the conference focused on “Islamic supremacist attempts to restrict the freedom of speech in the free world, and the smear campaigns against freedom fighters in newspapers and media institutions in the West,” in the words of Geller.

The gathering brought together speakers from anti-Muslim movements around the globe, including Tommy Robinson of the English Defense League, a violent far-right group. David Yerushalmi, the racist Orthodox Jewish lawyer who has lived in an illegal Israeli settlement, was a speaker as well. And David Storobin, the Brooklyn state senator who created some buzz after being photographed in an Israeli army uniform, spoke to Geller’s conference too.

It was the latest attempt by Geller and her cohort to forge cross-continental links to other anti-Muslim activists. The precursor to this event was a gathering in Stockholm, Sweden that likewise brought together a host of anti-Muslim activists from around the world. Before that, there was the founding of the Stop Islamization of Nations group, “designed to promote an umbrella network of counter-jihad groups across Europe and the US,” as The Guardian reported.

Brooklyn-based writer Aaron Labaree attended the New York September 11 gathering for Guernica Magazine. Labaree reports that Geller opened up the conference with a speech to attendees that called on “every single one” of them to “be a soldier” in the battle to “save the republic.”

By far the most disturbing aspect of Labaree’s report is this snippet:

A few choice words by Dr. Babu Suseelan, a Hindu activist in Pennsylvania, provided one of these occasions.

“If we do not kill the bacteria,” the jowly Suseelan scolded the audience, “the bacteria will kill us.” Otherwise, he warned, “Muslims will breed like rats and they will be a majority.” Still, he concluded hopefully, “Islam can be stopped! And it can be wiped out.”

Spencer laughed, but Geller covered her face, as if witnessing the antics of a naughty child.

Geller may have covered her face, perhaps in slight embarrassment that the activists she cavorts around with have no problem calling for the “wipe out” of an entire religion. But these are her allies.

But the fact that this rhetoric was inevitable may have caused the most high-profile speaker scheduled, John Bolton, to decide it was against his better interest to attend the conference. Bolton is a top neoconservative and a former official in the Bush administration, and is now advising Mitt Romney.

Bolton is an ally of Geller, as The Nation’s Wayne Barrett noted. “Bolton, who has campaigned repeatedly with Romney, is so close to Geller and Spencer that he wrote the foreword to their 2010 book, The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration’s War on America, and has done several interviews with Geller, cozily discussing Middle East policy in couch videos,” reports Barrett. In the midst of a campaign season, though, Bolton appearing at a conference like this was bound to attract attention that the Romney campaign could do without. So even though Bolton was advertised as being a speaker at the conference, he never planned on showing.

I emailed an assistant to Bolton, Christine Samuelian of the American Enterprise Institute, before the gathering took place. Samuelian told me that the event was “not on his calendar…He has done it in the past and they may have assumed he was going to do it again this year but he did not commit to anything.”

But think again if you take this as a sign that the GOP is trying to ditch its anti-Muslim wing. The optics of a Romney adviser meeting with people who call for Islam to be “wiped out” would not be good, but the larger alliance is still there. As Labaree explains:

National politicians generally don’t get photographed with anyone who talks like Geller or Spencer, but they are happy to be associated with them at just one level of remove. Last weekend, the Family Research Council held its annual conference in Washington, D.C. The FRC’s Executive Vice President, retired General Jerry Boykin, has gained notoriety for his paranoid rants against Islam, which he has called “the religion of Satan.” The FRC conference’s featured speaker this year was Paul Ryan. And the Ground Zero Mosque affair of 2010 drew plenty of politicians of national stature, including Newt Gingrich and Rep. Peter King, of New York, who made opposition to the “mosque” his signature issue.

These politicians take SION’s position because it’s popular. Most Americans don’t get high on outrage the way Geller and Spencer do, but many are receptive to their ideas about Islam. A recent poll by the Public Religion Research Institute and the Brookings Institution found that almost half of Americans surveyed believe the values of Islam are incompatible with American values; the same percentage would be uncomfortable with a mosque being built in their neighborhood. This is theoretical, of course. Most people don’t have a mosque in their neighborhood: as of 2011, Muslims made up less than 1 percent of the U.S. population (Jews account for 1.6 percent, Mormons 1.9 percent, atheists and agnostics 15 percent). So far, the struggle in which SION attendees are supposed to be soldiers is a fantasy. But if Israel and Iran go to war, if there’s a major terrorist attack on U.S. soil—counter-jihadists and their allies will likely see their star rise. Meanwhile, Geller instructed the troops assembled to keep on blogging.

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    • AJ

      @JSB,

      “I’m sure. But, even if asked in jest, I treat that question as a great compliment!”

      Awwww thank you JSB!

    • Just Stopping By

      @AJ asks me, “You sure you not a closet Muslim? :-?”

      I’m sure. But, even if asked in jest, I treat that question as a great compliment!

Robert Spencer’s Attacks on #MyJihad Campaign Debunked

Robert Spencer’s Attacks on #MyJihad Campaign Debunked

Garibaldi of Loonwatch wrote about a recent twitter exchange between terrorist inspirer and pseudo-scholar Robert Spencer and Civil Rights activist Ahmed Rehab. Spencer was forced into undermining his career long effort to demonize Islam and Muslims, reluctantly conceding that the term Jihad means more than “terrorism” and “violence,” a position he is loathe to share on a daily basis with his readers since it doesn’t fit his scheme of evil Muslim hordes Islamizing the universe.

This fits a pattern of doublespeak on Spencer’s part: on the one hand he tells his audience that there are “no distinctions between peaceful and violent Muslims” and that the “only good Muslim is a bad Muslim,” yet when pressed in public about his positions he backtracks, and says things like, “Islam makes a lot of people be very moral and upright and live fine lives.”

This brings us to Spencer’s recent double speak, in which he tells his fans that the “true meaning” of Jihad is the one that is forwarded by radical Muslim preachers. Intriguingly, Spencer finds himself in the unenviable company of agreeing with extremists such as Omar Bakri, Anjum Chaudhry, Osama Bin Laden and others who believe that the targeted killing of innocents is a legitimate expression of Jihad in Islam.

Spencer’s article begins by first trying to delegitimize the #MyJihad campaign, he writes,

“The deceptive and misleading #MyJihad campaign…”

Off the bat one can see that Spencer has already made up his mind, for him anything that runs counter to the “Jihad is evil” mantra is unacceptable. That is why he is eager to hide the true import of the campaign: giving voice to how millions of Muslims relate to Jihad in their daily lives. The #MyJihad campaign also clearly states on both its website and Facebookpage that its goal is, “taking back Jihad from anti-Muslim and Muslim extremists alike.”

One would think that if Spencer was honest about promoting peace and justice (words he bandies about meaninglessly), and not being anti-Muslim he would welcome such an initiative. Of course Spencer would be out of a David Horowitz Subsidized job if he welcomed the campaign. Spencer goes on to write,

This campaign is designed to foster complacency among Americans, and to blind them to the fact that Islamic jihadists are committing violence in the name of jihad around the world every day.

Spencer is worried by the educational potentiality of the #MyJihad campaign and attempts once again to obfuscate its message. Clearly Spencer missed the memo about what this whole campaign actually is about, let’s repeat it for him,

“taking back Jihad from anti-Muslim and Muslim extremists alike.”

Robert Spencer’s many faulty claims regarding Jihad have been directly debunked in Danios’ Understanding Jihad series. In this series Danios tackles Spencer’s assertions one by one, adding context and facts and also criticizing the enormous falsities Spencer forwards about Jihad, thereby putting “Jihad” in proper perspective. This may be the reason why to this day Robert Spencer refuses to reply to Danios’ rebuttals in the series and has also ran away from Loonwatch’s open invitation to debate.

Also read Sheila Musaji’s articleAFDI/SIOA Roll Out 8 More Anti-Muslim Ads

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    • Jai

      Emperor,

      Robert Spencer’s many faulty claims regarding Jihad have been directly debunked in Danios’ Understanding Jihad series. In this series Danios tackles Spencer’s assertions one by one, adding context and facts and also criticizing the enormous falsities Spencer forwards about Jihad, thereby putting “Jihad” in proper perspective.

      Sheila Musaji’s article, mentioned at the end of the main Loonwatch article above, is definitely worth reading in full: http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/afdi-sioa-roll-out-another-anti-muslim-ad/0019401

      Not only does Pamela Geller plan at least 9 more anti-Muslim ads, but (no doubt in response to the escalating backlash) Robert Spencer himself has disingenuously started trying to publicly distance himself from the ad campaign.

      Furthermore, as Sheila Musaji’s article documents, it turns out that Robert Spencer is on record as publicly admitting that the word “jihad” certainly doesn’t necessarily mean anything negative, including “violence” or even “holy war”. Sheila’s article includes the URL link to Spencer’s own recent JihadWatch article on the subject: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/10/islamic-supremacist-writer-discovers-that-jihad-is-sometimes-connected-to-terrorism.html

      Quote from Spencer’s JihadWatch article:

      Robert Spencer: “This page [explaining Spencer’s decision for choosing the name “Jihad Watch”] has been linked to the front page of the Jihad Watch website since October 2003, and all that time it has said this: “Jihad (Arabic for ‘struggle’) is a central duty of every Muslim. Muslim theologians have spoken of many things as jihads: [for example] the struggle within the soul…..I discuss the various meanings of jihad, including that of spiritual struggle, in my 2003 book Onward Muslim Soldiers and many times elsewhere. On hundreds of radio shows over the years I have explained, as part of my basic explanation of the word, that “jihad” in Arabic has as many connotations and shades of meaning as “struggle” does in English — as I explained in this 2008 interview: “The word means ‘struggle,’ and has as many connotations as the English word ‘struggle’ does. The Islamic Republic of Iran has a Department of Agricultural Jihad, which has to do with the struggle to increase crop yields.””

      It proves that Robert Spencer & Pamela Geller are perfectly aware that they’re deliberately promoting misinformation about Islam & Muslims during their continuing anti-Muslim propaganda campaign, including the current ads in New York.

      Some enterprising organisation should simply create posters quoting Spencer’s statement above and display them right next to Geller’s ads in NY.

    • Hatethehaterz

      Nice article. I think one thing about the term jihad that deserves emphasis is that even in the context of violence and/or war, it only refers to self defense. This is something which I believe Danios also noted well in his series. It is never acceptable in Islam to be the aggressor in violent confrontation. Violence in Islam is only permitted for self defense or the defense of loved ones, or the weak or opressed. That is why the term “counter-jihad” will never really make sense. They are “countering” our right to defend ourselves? Of course we all know that term is simply a veil meant to obfuscate the true meaning of their “movement.” Which is merely anti-Muslim bigotry.

  • Seeker

    How’s Danios doing, anyway? Haven’t seen anything of him for a while. Starting to get a little nervous – you never know what kind of hateful people are out there. Other than that – quite interesting piece here. Loving the #MyJihad campaign.

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