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Fox and Friends Attack Muslim Family Day

Joe “nuke ’em” Kaufman was on Fox and Friends saying Muslim Family Day was a terrorist sponsored event.

Fox & Friends’ latest vicious attack on Islam targets Muslim Family Day

July 20, 2010 1:48 pm ET by Justin Berrier

On what is rapidly becoming a regular feature, Fox & Friends this morning continued their incessant attack on Islam. Co-host Alisyn Camerota this morning hosted anti-Islam blogger and founder of the ironically named Americans Against Hate organization Joe Kaufman to attack Muslim Family Day at Six Flags Great Adventure. Camerota called it “insensitive” that they would host the event on September 12, “just hours after the anniversary of the September 11th attacks,” and added “but what’s even more controversial are the allegations that the Muslim group organizing the event could have been involved in financing the September 11 terror attacks.” Kaufman went further, employing what is becoming a familiar phrase among anti-Muslim bloggers: “The fact that they’re having it on September 12th, I believe they are actually spitting in the face of Americans.”

So what evidence did Kaufman give to back up Camerota’s claim that the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), who is sponsoring this event, “could have been involved in financing the September 11 terror attacks?” His first piece of evidence is a message from former ICNA President Dr. Muhammad Yunus making “a request calling on supporters to give ‘material support to groups associated with al-Qaida and the Taliban.” Here is what Yunus actually said, in an image hosted on Kaufman’s website: “Remember fellow Chechnyan Muslims in Eid Celebrations. President ICNA Dr. Muhammad Yunus has requested all Muslims around the world to include Chechnyan Muslims in their special Eid-ul-Fitr prayers. We must show our spiritual and material support for our brothers and sisters being oppressed by Russian forces.” For Kaufman, this justifies making the claim that “they may be themselves involved in financing 9/11.”

In case the name Muhammad Yunus sounds familiar, by the way, that would be Nobel Peace Prize recipient Muhammad Yunus, developer of the microcredit and microfinance concepts.

Kaufman went on to try to associate ICNA with Hamas through more tenuous ties. According to his website, in 2006 ICNA was listed as a donor to the Al-Khidmat Foundation, a Pakistani charitable organization that, according to their website, “is dedicated to the services of humanity all parts of the world without any discrimination of creed, religion and political associaltion [sic].”  They provide funding for clean water projects, diagnostic centers, orphan homes, and other community-based programs. According to Kaufman, while ICNA was one of their donors, the Al-Khidmat Foundation made a one-time donation to Hamas. Kaufman of course has no evidence that ICNA was involved in the gift, or that their money was part of the gift, or that they had anything to do whatsoever with the gift. Kaufman has been pushing this connection for years, and even the Anti-Defamation League isn’t buying it. An October 5, 2007 Dallas Daily News article reported on Kaufman’s allegations. At the time, he was protesting a different Muslim Family Day at Six Flags Over Texas. They reported (accessed via Nexis):

Mohammad Barney, president of the Dallas chapter of ICNA, said the accusations are troubling and untrue.

According to its Web site, ICNA supports Islamic culture and education while promoting justice and understanding.

“It’s disturbing that they are writing false statements like that,” said Mr. Barney. “People have the right to say whatever they want, but that doesn’t make it true.”

The Anti-Defamation League – a pro-Jewish group – seems to agree. ICNA is not listed as a threat on its Web site.

“We don’t involve ourselves in that kind of activity,” said Mark Briskman, regional director of the league, who said his group would not participate in the protest. “He made a lot of claims … without clear documentation of those claims. His statements are problematic.”

So other than making what appear to be baseless accusations about an organization sponsoring a family outing, why would Fox & Friends bring Kaufman on to attack Muslim Family Day? Well, what he lacks in expertise or insight, he makes up for in dedication. What Kaufman failed to mention is that, while Muslims may be “spitting in the faces of Americans” for holding the event on September 12, he attacked the event in 2007, when it was being held on October 14. Kaufman and Fox also ignored that the reason why the event is being held on September 12 this year –the same reason it was held on October 14 in 2007 –is that it falls on the first weekend after Ramadan ends.

In a FrontPage article titled “Fanatic Muslim Family Day” Kaufman wrote of the October 2007 event:

ICNA’s Muslim Family Day that will occur on October 14, 2007 is nothing but a charade, created to spread hatred, but veiled in a way to make the sponsoring organization look harmless. Six Flags will play host to this dangerous farce. If events, such as these, are allowed to continue, more and more Americans could become desensitized to those groups – fifth columns within our borders that wish to do us harm. It is up to those concerned to speak out against these travesties that threaten our way of life.

He may have been on to something. Looking back at previous events, I was able to find evidence of ICNA members spreading hatred. Witness the horror:

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Pamela Geller Watch: Genocide Denier

The “shrieking harpy” as she is known by many, Pamela Geller is at her business once again — lunacy. Now she is taking it to another level and reiterating her support for Serbian war criminals.

In another maniacal post, Geller writes,

Radovan Karadžić, the former Bosnian Serb politician, is on trial (more like a sharia court) in the United Nations Detention Unit of Scheveningen, accused of “war crimes committed against Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats during the Siege of Sarajevo” (now an entirely Muslim city, completely ethnically cleansed of non-Muslims.)

Obviously stating that the Hague Court is a Shariah Court is a lame attempt at deligitimizing the Hague and the UN. It is sad to see the depths that Pamela will go to white wash crimes against humanity just because its victims were Muslim.

She goes on,

(Remember that in matters concerning the former Yugoslavia — the media, the court, the prosecution, world governments, NATO, and Hollywood are a single conglomerate.) In the example below, the prosecution and the media attempt to twistKaradzic’s efforts to avoid ethnic cleansing, into a fiendish desire to commit ethnic cleansing

You see it is all a conspiracy from the whole world working in one unit to persecute Karadzic who was actually trying to avoid ethnic cleansing.

An example of Radovan Karadzic preventing ethnic cleansing,

“There are 20,000 armed Serbs around Sarajevo … it will be a black cauldron where 300,000 Muslims will die. They will disappear. That people will disappear from the face of the earth.”

The things that make you go hmmmmm? Karadzic really was trying hard to stop the ethnic cleansing. Imagine if Ahmedinejad said those exact words about Israel, he would rightly be labeled an anti-Semite seeking the destruction of the Jews. Hypocritical Pamela Geller can’t see the rank hypocrisy in her own words.

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    • Abdulmajid

      AND to all those who say about the war in Bosnia and the Srebrenica Genocide that “only History will tell the truth” I say, yes indeed it will, but it will not be Milosevic’s “truth”. Truth can be obscured for some time but not forever. Eventually it will out. And you can fool some people some time, you can fool some people all the time, you can even fool all people some time. But you can’t fool all the people all the time. And even in Serbia there are people who want to know the truth. A group of students came to Sarajevo and Srebrenica the year before last to see for themselves. Quite a few pweople in Belgrade made a temporary memorial out of shoes to commemorate and show their solidarity withthe victims of the Srebrenica Genocide. I have even read some very decent and reasonable statements about Bosnia from Serbs on the B92 website. Ultranationalism, chauvinism, militarism and adventurism have got serbia nowhere, as they did Japan before 1945. Serbs can be glad that they diod not share the fate of Japan in 1945. Yes, there were bomb raids but what befell Belgrade and other Serb cities is regrettable for those who were killed but still can’t be compared with what happened to Tokyo, Kobe, Nagoya, Toyama and let us not forget, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And of course it can’t be compared to the four-year siege of Sarajevo or the three years of siege and the genocide of Srebrenica. And nowhere did Bosniaks round up hundreds or thousands of Serbs and shoot them in cold blood, bury them in mass graves and then scatter the bodies to hide the evidence. Show me one single mass grave of Serbs from the war. Show me a mass grave where it is 100% positive that Bosniaks killed hundreds or thousands of Serbs during 1941-45. But you can’t, because there aren’t any. On the contrary the Bosnian soil is drenched with Bosniak blood. Everywhere. But even so the Bosniak people will not be brought to their knees and they certainly will not perish. Bosnia will not be broken apart nor erased from the map. The Cross will not chase the Crescent from Bosnia.

    • Abdulmajid

      To all those anti-Muslims (Islamophobe is just too soft for you) and serbofascists out there who still follow the revisionist Karadzic /Ilija Garasanin line and say “the Bosniaks did bad things too, they are no less guilty than we are”, and mean “The Bosniaks are guilty of the war” I say: You are not going to bury the Bosniaks, you are not going to tear Bosnia apart nor erase it from the map. There will be no Rechristianization of Bosnia. In 1912 or 1913, when the Serbs were on their genocidal rampage in Albania as is documented in the book “Albaniens Golgotha”, there was a photo in some French newspaper showing the Serb army advancing and the caption read “La Croix chasse le Croissant de l’Europe”. I have seen a headline from the New York Times of then and it could have been from 1992-95 or 1998 as well. Well, the Cross is NOT going to chase the Crescent away, neither from Bosnia, nor from the Sandzak, nor from Kosovo, Macedonia or from aynwhere elswe in the former Yugoslavia. NEVER AGAIN will there be a Serb genocide of Muslims. Indeed, there will never be peace in the Balkans unless Bosia is made whole again, unless the civil rights of Muslims are recoginzed everywhere in the Balkans (and I think neither Serbia, nor Greece nor Bulgaria nor Romania have anything good to show in this respect), unless the existence, identity, history, in short, all attributes of the Bosniaks as a nation, and the integrity and sovereignty of their country are not challenged, disputed and denied, unless a unified Bosnia with its Muslim plurality is admitted as an equal memeber of the European Union. And under its old flag. For the coat of arms depicted on that flag is the coat of arm of the House of Kotromanic which ruled Bosnia before it was conquered by the Ottomans. It represents the historic identitys of the landf of Bosnia-Herzegovina, NOT the Bosniaks! The flag of the Bosniaks is that of Islam, in this case, green with a crescent and star! And also the old national anthem says not a word about Muslims! I give all attempts, intentions and notions to subdue, put down, exterminate or in any which ever way to bring a Muslim peopel to their knees a complete REFUSAL, for it is NEVER going to happen! All those who dream of exterminating or subduing the Muslims or of ethnically cleansing them, and who use as a subterfuge the canard of the “Creeping Islamic subvertion” and teh “establishment of a worldwide caliphate under Sharia law and with forced islamization for all” as a moral self-justification for committing genocide I say like Milosevic and Karadzic you will FAIL in teh ende, and not succeed like the Catholic Kings, Charles V; Don Juan de Austria or Philip II. Those days are OVER! Learn to live with us moozlims and give us the same respect you expect for yourselves. Refuse to do that and you shall suffer the consequences and have not one single moment of peace. For you can’t annihilate all of us nor bomb or ethnicaly cleanse us all into submission. That is not arrogance. We only expect to be treated with the same measure of respect you want for yourselves, no more and no less! It is written in the Holy Qur’an that God “created you into many nations and tribes so that you may know each other”. Sixty-five years since World War II ended and there are still so many of you who believe that there are lesser human beings who must be exterminated, and that we are them. Well, may all that you desire for us come down on your own heads instead.

    • Abdulmajid

      Dragan, your friends tried and now by other means continue to try to exterminate my brothers and to erase their country and history. Don’t try to deny it. Whatever justifications you may have for the anti-Bosniak genocidal crusade your people committed they are worthless. I know the history of Muslim people in Europe very well, adn teh justifications are the same and they are just as wrong. It is all about hate and greed. Don’t try to deny it, and that you defend such people is pathetic. Whatever you may not like about Islam or Muslims does not give your people the right to slaughter them. Whatever wrongs your people may have suffered at the hands of others through history does not give your people the rightto erase them from their map and take over their land. That Serbs live in Bosnia does not give them the right to stake out an area for only themselves through ethnic cleansing. What one individual Bosniak may have done to a Serb individual does not give you teh right to declare war on the Bosniak people. Whatever Muslims do to non-Muslims in Muslim countries does not give you the right to do the same things to the Muslims living in yours. And you can’t exonerate your side of what you did. Even if the Bosniaks had managed to murder as many Serbs as the Serbs murdered Bosniaks you will still be guilty for what you did. But you, Dragan, you don’t count. It was Zoran Djindjic who decided to hand over Mladic (and he was murdered for it). Boris Tadic handed over Karadzic (but maybe that was only because Karadzic had become useless for him); Serbia tried to have Ejup Ganic convicted for war crimes to distract from Karadzic’s trial and the attempt fell flat on its foolish face; they even had to admit that they had Ilija Jurisic convinced on trumped-up charges and let him go (pending retrial but I suspect that too will wash out.) ANd how they screamed and whined when international justice did not rule in their favor. What hypocrisy! If the ICJ had delcared Kosovo independence delcaratiojo as illegal, if the Brits really had declared Ganic guilty, they would have screamed for the whole world to rescind the Kosovo recognition and to hand over Ganic; Now, since the ICJ and teh Brits didn’d do that they say as so often that the whole world is against the Serbs! And I’m supposed to erspect such a people? I will not! Okay, I do enjoy their folk music and their cuisine(with the exception of all anti-Muslim contents and all that’s pork of course) and I intend to feel the greatest repect and even admiration for such Serbs like Jovan Divjak, Cedomir Jovanovic, Nenad Canak, and all Bosnian Serbs who stood by their Boshniak friends, all those Serbs who feel revulsion at the genocidal anti-Bosniak crusdae And who manifested against it in Belgrade earlier this year; for the great poet Aleksa Santic; for the great harmonikas, Jovica Petkovic. Those are people who have their heart on the right spot. As for all those who took part in or approve of the Serb anti-Bosniak crusade, or who felt so unconcerned that they said “Let mladic finish off those balije real fast” or talked about the “rechristianization of Bosnia”- let their abide be Hell. Dragan, I see that like Pharaoh’s God has chosen to harden your heart, and not to open your eyes, as Marko Vasic did. It is useless that I ask you to stop your disinformation. I wonder what the Serb government pays you guys. Or if yuo do it for love then it’s even worse. Idealists can often be much more destructive than corrupt ones. But I can only say to the Bosnian Serbs don’t try to rip Bosnia apart. Oh, of course they will try some time. Dodik has been blabbing about it for years, the time will come when all his followers will demand of him to finally come across, and then he will have to draw the appropriate conclusions and take himself by his own word. But just as 1939 was not 1914, next time around will not be 1992. And that day will not be one of joy and celebration for the Bosnian Serbs. It will not be the Six-Day War either. I can see it now. Secession will take place in an athmosphere of great reluctance and funeral gloom. And of course it will be crushed, or do you really believe 1992 will repeat itself and that you will catch the Bosniaks flat-footed again, and deal with them so easily as you did in 1992? And are you, Dragan, then going to take up a gun and come to Bosnia to shoot yerself a couple niggers, er, Bosniaks? Or if you are too old, send your son, or your grandson? Believe me you’d rather not. You don’t need to expect that the whole world will approve of your ethnic cleansing. Don’t try to sell the next round of the Serb anti-Bosniak crusade as “fight against jhadists or inernational terrorists” either. Because by then, after decades of aimless, pointless, senseless, incoherent warfare with unclear and undefined goals and end, people will finally get tired of it.

    • Abdulmajid

      It is useless to discuss with serbofascists; as they have demonstrated since 1804 the only language they understand is that of violence. You call me juvenile yet all crude jingoism and Muslim-bashing I hear from yur side is much more immature. And there is one thing you should know: If the Serbs always say they won’t be “ruled by Muslims”; What right do they have to rule Muslims as in the Sandzak? or as they did in Bosnia from 1918 to 1941 (and then, as in 1992 they tried to destroy them? ) So, Bosnia declared independnce ewhen it was clear that teh serbs were going to destroy the Bosniaks and conquer parts of or all of Bosnia as they had tried with Croatia a year befoer? Have you ever thought about why nobody in the former Yugoslavia, not even Montenegro, whose population is largely ethnicaly Serb, wants to live under Belgrade’s thumb? ANd what right did Bosnian Serbs have to say “this area is inhabited by Serbs, it belongs only to Serbs, and if tehre are others in between we will get rid of them? What you did; throughterror , viole4nce, mass murder, rape, pillage, destruction of cultural heritage. And to explain it to yourself nicely and feel better about it yopu alweays say “Waaah, we are not the only guilty ones, they are just as bad, we defended ourselves blah blah blah” If we both had been liveing, say, in Zvornik at that time you would just have come to my door with an AK-47, shot me, raped my wife and daughter and told them tro get out then loaded your wagon with my belongings and set fire to my house, with a cold smile. Thsi is what Serbs did Bosniaks may have killed some Serbas in retaliatory acts, but they never made lists of Serbs, rounded them up, put their womenfolk in rape camps to which their soldiers would come for “rest and recreation” whenecver they felt like it, and most importantly they never roun ded up 8.347 people after hunting them like rabbits, shot them, buried them in mass graves and then dug up the corpses and scattered them to hide the crime. They NEVER did anything as barbaric as you did. YOU blasted the Aladza Dzamnija and the Ferhadija and countless other historic mosques. The Orthodox churches in Sarajevo and Tuzla and even in Bihac did not receive as much as a scratch. Yet te Serbs defend those massive crimes. And I say teh Serbs because even though I know there are m,any Serbs who are not liek that, like all those who stood by tehir Bosniak friends, Jovan Divjak and others, or liek Sonja Biserko, Cedomir Jovanovic and Nenad Canak, most Serbs who did not actually got Bosniak blood on their hands, applauded it or pretended not to be concerned. buitz tthe worst kind are thsoe who justify the anti-Bosniak genocide and point their fingers at the Bosniaks. True, there were unjust victims on teh Serb side as well, BUT: You pretend no Bosniak was ever held responsible or punished for war crimes against innocent Serb civilians, and that is just not true; but then you consider all Bosniaks who ever raised a hand to defend themselves against the serbs as guilty. You don’t seek justice and redress when you refer tp your victims, but use them dishonestly to delegitimize and demonize the Bosniaks! I heard ofa young guy from Zvornik by name of Marko Vasic. Some Bosniak criminals had murdered his grandparents. Of course he hated all Bosniaks. Yet, there was someone from Srebrenica who managed to convince him that he must not hate ALL Bosniaks, but only those who committed the crime . And he did, he went to find his Bosniak relatives, and sought justice from the court, not revenge. Some of you say that since Orthodoxy was there first they should submit to Orthodoxy. Let me tell you I’d rather be shot than give up my faith. Better to just suffer physical death than spiritual death as well. And you should know that I do not hate ALL Serbs; only those who tried and wgho still want to do in my brethren. By your talk I see you belong to the latter group. Actually I feel sorry for you lot. For you will never cleanse Bosnia of Muslims. No, you will not. You are not going to bury or expel the Bosniaks like the Christian Spaniards did in Spain during the 16th century. We will see to it that neither Milosevic and Draza Mihajlovic will triumph from the grave, nor that Karadzic and Seselj will triumph from behind the bars, nor Mladic from out of Hell. The whole bloodyx mess resulted just from evil opportunistic kleptocrats trying to wrench as much power and wealth from out of the people (not Just Milosevic and Tudjman; include here Fikret Abdic and others as well); of instilling fear and hate in teh populace through propaganda lies, crude jingoism and hate mongering; and using teh worst subjects areound as their execurtioners liek Milan Lukic and Arkan; the people themselves are guilty of willful ignorance. It seems incredible that they could turn onto their neighbors liek that with whom they shared the languiage and most of tehir popular culture as well. But then the Germans and the German Jews too sharred one language and one culture, yet when the latter were declared free game everybody turned against them. Just like you did. That is fascism. And liek the Nazis and many opportunists did back then, you just say “They’re evil.” The Bosniaks have learned their lesson. They will see to it that NEVER AGAIN genocide is committed against them. Should they ever forget then they would be to blame of being careless if they are wiped out. But I think they have understood you quite clearly. I always though that if people got together and talked TO each other instead of ABOUT each other they’d find out they have mnore things in common than what separates them. I know Bosniaks and Bosnan Serbs and their way of life and culture very well and I see they’re not that different after all. But it is useless. It’s liek teh fable of the frog and the scorpion. The scorpion asked the frog to carry him across the river: The frog said “You will sting me”-“Nonsense”, said the frog “then we would both drown.” So reassured the frog took the scorpion on his back and swam with him across the river and halfway through, the scorpion stung the frog. “What have you done? said the frog in his last words, “Now we will both drown!”-“Yes, I know” replied the scorpion ” but that’s just the way I am” And I tell you in Bosnia it is not the Bosniaks who are the scorpion. You serbofascists always say “The Bosnaisk fired the first shots” Even if that were true this was only a pretext. Your side had prepared everything in advance for MONTHS and they were just waiting for a propitious moment to strike at teh Bosniaks. The guns were in place, militias had already been set up, black lists of Bosniaks to kill or imprison had already been made up, it was all ready beforehand. Also at Srebrenica everything had meticulously been prepared befoerhand. Of course it was genocide. All Bosniaks from Srebrenica were driven out, right? after that, for many years there were no Bosniaks in Srebrenica. And it was a military decision too. Mladic himself said that if he had let them go, the Bosnian government would have armed them and hve had at least 4000 additional soldiers. But shoot the kids as well, so they’d never have children of their own? So you see, all your justifications are worthless. That you expectthe survivors and any intelligent person to swallow that BULLSHIT is an insult by itself. ANd since you refuse to give up Ratko Mladic, and expect him to die peacefully at ghome and “let history decide” I will trell you how history will decide: If you think that it was right to kill all those Bosniaks as a revenge and retaliation fr everything Muslims have allegedly done through history to non-Muslims; if you really believe that if my great-great-great-great-grandfather did something to yours way back in the 19th century that gives youthe right to go out with a gun or an axe and take revenge on ME, over something I don’t know nothing about, that happened long before I was born, just because I carry that name or belong to that family or that people, then yu are one horrible, evil, vengeful lot. But more often than not ghis is only a pretext to do evil, to take a plot of land, a car, money, a house or whatever and to rape abeautiful girl or some such; in short to morally justify a crime. In both cases I feel I don’t want to share this planet here with the likes of you. If the Serbs do not give up on Ratko Mladic someday, maybe in 500 years the Bosniaks will do the same things to Serbs over what Ratko Mladic did. And justify it with the same. If up to now they have refrained of doing so is because they have not sunk to such morally rotten levels as you lot. But then, gnerally as a rule, history has shown that Muslims have been less cruel to their enemies than vice versa. I have read a chronicle of the 16th century where a Spanish writer of that time admits that the Spanish muslims rose up not because of their evil Mooslim nature nor because of Turkish or Moroccan subversion but because their Christian masters mistreated and abused them in every way they could. Just as it was in Bosnia and in Kosovo in the 1990s. And just liek 400 years ago your side tried to exterminate them. And justified it with the same pretext. Way to go. I’d never thought in my time I’d see such a degree of cruelty as back then, and with the same justification. You have proved yourself to be a xenophobe and such people can never be my friends. I have a great notion that I do not wish to share the same sky, the same air and the same water with those who murdered my brothers.

    • Dragan

      to abdulla I didnt get tired of heckling you,just tired of your juvenile, unsubstantiated ,hate propaganda.My whole point in printing what I did was to get some info out to people,which I did.You on the other hand just kept parrotting the same old lies,thank you.Adios and God bless.

    • Abdulmajid

      Well it seems that guy whose name I won’t mention has finally tired of heckling me with continued new outbursts of the same old serbofascist venom, Bosniak-baiting and Muslim-bashing he so relishes in. Whew! I was already getting a little tired. But if he does not: all his denying of the Serb genocidal anti-Bosniak crusade which started in 1804 and of which the episodes of 1941-45 and 1992-95 are but just another chapter of xenophobia in the long history of xenophobia of this accursed and sick nation, will not make the Bosniaks go away. Will not make the truth go away. Will not make the anti-Bosniaks genocide undone. Will not obscure the truth and muddy the water. The Serb anti-Bosniak genocidal crusade IS FACT and it will remain FACT. No act the Bosnaks may have committed against Serbs can exonerate the Serbs from their guilt; or do they think if they say “some balije shot at the Serb wedding party in Sarajevo and THAT started the war” that it will make only one of the acts of murder, terror and rape the Serbs committed less cruel, violent, evil and unnecessary as it was before they said that; or why that continued blame game of finger-pointing and saying “all sides are equally guilty”: When those shots were fired, 1.)the Serbs had already murdered the Bosniaks of Bijeljina. 2.) Milosevic and Tudjman had already agreed to divide Bosnia between them “and for the Muslims – nothing!” 3.) the JNA and the chetniks had already taken up positions artound Sarajevo for over six months to shell it into submission the moment the order was given! They started in late 1991! I remember seeing them with tanks and guns and even throwing a blanket over their grenades, and young Serb men absconding into the hills with AK-47s in a news report of October 1991! And all the apologists of Karadzic can come up with his maps, his “Historical facts” and his other tergiversations of the truth, their dreams of Greater Serbia and their notion of “repluka srpska” splitting off Bosnia and the Croats again trying to get wise withrthe Bosniaks, withtheir denial of the anti-Bosniak genocide and their questioning the Bosniaks’ethnic and national identity and tehir right to exist, let alone their right to have a country of their own called Bosnia, and not just a bantustan consisting of disjointed enclaves similar to what the Israelis are trying to fob off the Palestinians with: the Bosniaks will NOT be the Palestinians with! ANd Dragan, you got it all wrong. I do NOT hate “the Serbs!” I hate only those who -symbolically or actually – have Bosniak blood on their handws! From the bottom of my heart! To my last breath! They must be made to PAY for what they did! With interests! With all they have! Withtheir lives if need be! To the last man! They must be given no mercy and no quarter! Milan Lukic the henchman of Visegrad was sntenced to lif ein prison! So what, he will be given leniency. He must die every death he caused! And all the other good-for -nothing THUGS and HOOLIGANS who killed Bosniask with him! And who raped Bosniak schoolgirls should be DRAWN AND QUARTERED, and his ashes SCATTERED! ANd if he has died an was buried in the meantime, his headsonr muast be SMASHED TO BITS, and his mortal remains must be dug up and burned! Any of his family whio still supports this man and his crimes must be brought to the border of Bosnia and made to cross it with only the clothes on their backs on! Their memories must be erased! I also haver seen the fascist chetnik celebrations in the previously Muslim-majority village where Draza Mihajlovic was allegedly born and which they renamed Drazevina! They all should be locked up for 25 years without parole in an underground windowless prison and expelled from Bosnia! Anyone who glorifies or defends the genocidal anti-Bosniak crusade should suffer in their own flesh all the vicious evil cruelty that serbs committed against Bosniaks! All of it! Until Serbia finally admits to their guilt against the Bosniaks and pay them reparations, and even if it means bankrupting Serbia for the next 20 years! Like Portugal was bankrupted for its aggression against Morocco in the 16th century. Ah, of course, THAT’S why they deny everything. Now you might think I do not want reconciliation and feel onyl hate for teh Serbs. Well, I do want reconciliation and for both nations, Serbs and Bosniaks to get again on friendly terms like German and French did. But alas, the Germans realized their guilt and their governments from 1945 on have at least TRIED to say they were sorry; old Nazis may be around, but Nazism, chauvinism and militarism were removed from the German political agenda. Among Serbs, what do we see? Denial and obfuscation! Then do not expect my friendship. Okay, Boris Tadic came and placed a wreath at Srebrenica. So what? Mladic remains free. Next time, Tadic should not bring a wreath but kneel down at Potocari Memorial. AND before he does that, deliver Mladic tied up at The Hague! Or better, deliver him to the Bosniaks! They should put a stone slab and heavy iron chains around his neck and parade him around Srebrenica and Sarajevo for one week and then have the populace tear him limb from limb! And please, don’t snip this off; for the most bloody war criminal of recent history, think of the most hideous thing somebody can do to another human being and even THAT would be too good for him!! However I have read a report at iwpr.net about a security firm in Banja Luka which employs Bosniak, Serb and Croat war veterans, and that they get along with eacgh other very well. I have seen on other reports that Bosniaks who came back to what is now “RS” and Serbs who came back to the “Federation” say “we get along with each other because we have to” So all the hate messages from the Serbofascists and all their talk of “Centuries-old ethnic hate” are nothing but a lot of tripe. But I warn them: do not try to erase Bosnia-Herzegovina of f the map or next time you will be beaten over your heads so hard you’ll never get up again. The Cross will NEVER chase the Crescent out of Bosnia!

    • Abdulmajid

      Yeah, Dragan, baby, and you should be in real life. God have mercy on your soul.

    • Abdulmajid

      Yeeeaah, yeah, dragan, it was all an Islamist-German-USA-Vatican-Jewish anti-Serb conspiracy, the Serbs did never anything wrong in Bosnia, let alone commit genocide. All thsoe balije only deserved what thy got, after all they’re islamicized serbs, turncoats, traitors, and it is all right and good of the Serbs to hold them responsible for 500 years of Ottoman domination of Serbia, of the Austrohungarians, of the ustase and all the rest. So the balije should all pack up and leave for Turkey or Saudi Arabia, and be thankful to the Serbs for not killing tehm all, after all how dare we dirty and lowdown Moozlims to complain about good and loving Christians? Yeah, and the Earth is flat, 2+2=5 and pigs can fly, Dragan. Why do you persist in your obtuse and self-serving accusation of us balije being culpable of your trying to exterminate us? Then do not complain that I see the whole Serb nation as guilty of genocide. As long as most voices I hear from Serbia do not admit to genocide and pledge to leave us balije IN PEACE, but insist that Milosevic’s and Karadzic’s crusade was right and must be continued, or at least its outcome “repluka srpska” must be legalized, why should I ? And it is no use of you to try and convince me otherwise. I am 100% committed to the cause of the Bosniaks and will so until my last breath, and not even with the most refined torture you can make me let go of it; even the goverments of Croatia and Montenegro have long since realized that it did not help them to claim any territories or populations in Bosna, and even Boris Tadic has pledged that he will not try to split Bosnia; so when will all the stupid obtuse chetniks give it up? Answer me honestly, Dragan: what have Bosniaks done to you personally that you hate them so much? And even if some balije HAD killed your grandmother or such: Do you really think All the Bosniaks are guilty? That YOU can bury the Bosniaks and erase Bosnia off the map? Do you think Dodik will thank you if you put your body between him and the balije’s fight for retribution? Then do not think the Bosniaks will be led like lambs to the slaughter as in 1992. I mean it’s incredible that you go to so much trouble to find this article again and again and pour new serbofascist venom on us balije. Do tell, will you be doing that one year from now? What do you think you will achieve? Make me say I’m sorry to the Serbs? Say that they were right to massacre the Bosniaks??? Do you really think you will convince me with your feeble and false serbofascist stories? Or that you will strike doubt in the hearts of some poor simple souls who don’t know any better? That is what makes me feel for you serbofascists the way I do: you tried to do in the Bosniaks exactly like the Catholic Spaniards did to do in the Spanish Muslims five centuries ago. What they did to Aztecs and Incas, and all other South American Indians! I have been in all those places and the traces of what they did are still so evident: to rob a people of their homeland, their freedom, their belongings, their identity and their culture, all in the name of a religion that portrays itself as being one of peace and love and tolerance and in truth has only shown those it vanquished hate, cruelty and destruction. All catholic Spaniards showed (and many continue to show) the Muslims only hate, contempt and cruelty. Just like the chetnik criminals in Bosnia! And you say your religion is of love and peace. Ha! I have had religious instruction in it as a kid and even THEN I saw the contradiction between what the church preaches and what it practices. Even child abuse by priests is nothing new. Evenback in teh 16th centuries the Morisco villagers in Spain complained how the priests sent to force-feed them Catholicism sexually abused of their wives and daughters: “all children born here have the same blue eyes as him!!” (and this is not Muslim propaganda, a contemporary Spanish chronist wrote that it was teh abuses by the authorities what prompted the Moriscos to rebellion!) See the Orthodox priests bless the weapons of the Skorpioni at Srebrenica is another example. Surely an Orthodox priest will tell some Serb scumbag who raped 11-year old Bosniak schoolgirls that his crime can be justified for religious zeal, and he need not worry about it, or some such. All the chetnik criminals who wasted the Bosnaks ansd who still want to “finish the job” and their supporters always brag about their crimes, try to relativize and justify them and in the same breath deny they ever did anything wrong! That is disgusting and insulting! It insults not only the victims of the Bosnian war, it also insults my intelligence! So push off, shut up, there’s a good guy, go fool around in your garden or something and STAY OUT OF THIS! You are not going to make war on us balije, and if you do we will see to it that nothing remains of you for your family to mourn! But the Bosniak people will not disappear, the Cross will NEVER chase the Crescent out of Bosnia, and you are not the next Milosevic either! And neither Milosevic nor Draza Mihajlovic are ever going to come back from the grave. And another thing: Naser Oric and General Delic did NOT run away from Justice the way Ratko Mladic still does! If justice did not find them guilty, nor did it find Ejup Ganic, it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS to judge them! And neitehr ALL Bosniaks with them! If Justice did not find anything wrong with finding Kosovo’s declaration of independence legal – you Serbs instigated all these judgments; you would have screamed for the world to abide by them had they turned out in your favor; now they did not, you can’t just say you don’t recognize them. Such hypocrisy! And then you whine always about double standards! Could I have one of such dishonest characters as you are before me I would like to slap his face until my hand falls off, for his hypocrisy and his evil! And I do not lok down on Christianity. As long aas someone respects me in just exactly the same way he wishes me to respect him, I have no problem withthat. But if someone thinks of me as a second-rate human being, a terrorist, a criminal, that I and those like me should be exterminated or expelled (one of those morons wrote to me that I should be deported to Saudi Arabia and there we should be given only knives and muzzle-loaders and THEN we could fight each other. What an IDIOT! To pass this kind of judgment without even KNOWING what kind of person I am!) then he is the most destructive kind of person around: at the same time evil and stupid. A half-idiot. A moron. Because he does not lack intelligence, but common sense. I just wish to give such hateful persons back a measure of their hate so they may experience for themselves what it feels to be like being the victim of racist and/or xenophobic hate. Unfortunately the Serb genocidal crusade of 1941-45 and its continuation in 1992-95 is but ONE of the many episode of xenophobia committed by this xenophobic nation since 1804. The destruction of Muslims has become part of the Serb national tradition, culture and folklore, and anybody can convince himself of it just by reading Petar Petrovic Njegos, Ilija Garasanin and Ivo Andric among others. Bosniakophobia has become part of the Serb culture. I fear that it can only be removed surgically – with the same kind of surgery that was applied to germany and Japan in 1945. Serb fascism, militarism and chauvinism must be broken like that of the Axis Powers was in 1945. As long as it is allowed to thrive Serbia’s neighbors can never sleep at night. If Dodik tries to split Bosnia it will be the end of Dodik and of “repluka srpska”. And there is NOTHING you can do about it. Too bad I will not be able to see your face when that happens. Or do you really think that with a proportion of about 30% of people (and shrinking) in Bosnia you can keep half of it against the will of 51% of the people (and counting) Do you really think Bosniaks are a second-rate people who can be fobbed off with two small enclaves of about 25% of all Bosnia, surrounded by serbs on all sides, like a Balkan Gaza Strip? And the Bosniaks will say to you “thank you very much for your generous offer”?!? No way!!! The Serbs no longer have teh third largest and most heavily equipped army iin europe, and after havinggot such a bloody nose in Afghnaistan and Chechnya, the Russians will not come to Bosnia to do the bloody job for you, and Britain and France will not, as in 1992, again stab the Bosniaks in the back, not with the large proportion of Muslims they have amongst them. On the contrary, after seeing how uncooperative Serbia has been in Kosovo and how uncooperative the Bosnian Serbs are, Kenneth Galbraith’s viewpoint, that they should have inflicted a complete rout on the Bosnian Serbs as the Croats did, will prevail and then “RS” will be re-integrated into Bosnia-Herzegovina. THAT seems to me more realistic than what some fool blabbed about the “United Kingdom of Serbia, Montenegro and Eastern Bosnia”! Ha ha ha, don’t make me laugh! Only after the integrity and sovereignty of Bosnia-Herzegovina has been established and affirmed can a new deal for autonomy of all people living in Bosnia be worked out. Not just for the “three constituent people” (what about Roma and Jews, ha? Rudolf Hren, a heroic defender of Srebrenica who was martyred with the other balije, was Slovenian-German. Does that make him a non-citizen of Bosnia? He is more worthy of being called a citizen of Bosna than all of Karadzic’s henchmen or the Abdicevci!) Not by persecution and violence. Conversely, to nullify by military means the de facto partition of the country which the Serbs caused by military means, IS legitimate! And Kosovo has NOTHING to do with it! Here an oppressed population liberated itself from its oppressors! And the first thing a unified Bosnia should do is to establish full diplomatic relations with Free Kosovo, and a mutual military assistance pact in case of aggression to either one of both! You should be thankful that neither Croats, nor Bosniaks, nor Albanians are such a hateful and vengeful lot like you Serbs are! The Albanians have still not forgotten what Serbs did to them in 1912-13, and Croats and Bosniaks will never forget what Serbs did to them in 1941-45 and 1991-98. There is no need to counter with “Jasenovac”! We know how many were killed at Jasenovac and who killed them, and it was NOT the “over one million” your side always claims. Besides that, with Jasenovac you can’t justify the Murderous Serb spree of violence of 1991-1999. One evil can’t be made up with another. If the Croats, Albanians, Bosniaks and Kosovars chose to pay back the Serbs in the same coin, then only a handful of Serbs would be left. And the way things are, with all the serbofascist Bosnak-baiting and Muslim-bashing I read from the likes of you, I do not care for that very much. Dragan you always add an ironic “God bless you” to your heckler messages directed to me. For once, I will reply to you: May God open your eyes as He opened mine! And if you don’t open them, if your heart is hardened like Pharaoh’s was, then may God have mercy on your soul.

    • Dragan

      to abdul and other muslim fools

      “Ruder Finn, a PR company working for the Sarajevo regime, suggested to the three big American Jewish organizations (including the ADL) to back the Muslims. As Ruder Finn executive James Harff explained in 1993, “When the Jewish organizations entered the game on the side of the Bosnians [sic], we could promptly equate the Serbs with the Nazis in the public mind”

      “Norwegian news agency NTB published a report on November 14 (original in Norwegian here), which challenges the 260,000 number using information by researchers of none other than the Hague Inqusition. These researchers claim the actual death toll is around 102,000, breaking down something like this”

      “As it turns out, the ICTY’s entire case on Srebrenica rests on the testimony of one man. This crucial witness, Drazen Erdemovic, is the topic of a new book by one of the Hague observers. Germinal Civikov, a native of Bulgaria who has lived in The Hague since 1975, is a former editor for Deutsche Welle and author of a 2006 book about the Milosevic trial. In Srebrenica: Der Kronzeuge (“Srebrenica: The Crown Witness”), he takes a long, hard look at Erdemovic, with results Laughland describes as “devastating.”

      “Pathological Liar and Callous Murderer”

      Erdemovic claimed that he was part of a unit that executed some 1,200 Muslim civilians in the course of one night. They were taken off the buses in groups of 10 and shot in a nearby field. Civikov did the math and came to the obvious conclusion: even if it took 10 minutes to kill each group, the executions would have taken 20 hours, not five. A group would have had to be shot every 2.5 minutes to maintain that pace, and that left no time for “arguments … between the executioners and the victims” or for the executioners to “drink and quarrel,” as Erdemovic described. Yet he kept telling this story over and over to the ICTY, despite the fact that it was physically impossible.

      Here is Laughland, in the Brussels Journal, reviewing the book:

      “Civikov wades through years of evidence, spanning a decade, to show that in fact Erdemovic is a pathological liar, as well as a callous murderer. He was not a conscripted soldier who was forced to fight, but instead a mercenary who fought on all three sides in the Bosnian civil war. He was not forced, on pain of death, to commit the massacre, as he claimed in court. On the contrary, Civikov shows that his unit was on leave when the massacre was committed. He was not the victim of a later murder attempt to prevent him from testifying, as he also said in court, but instead a criminal and a thug who quarreled over money with his fellow murderers and who, by his own admission, is prone to blind fits of violence and anger. During his time in the other Bosnian armies (Croat and Muslim) he had evidently been an unscrupulous war profiteer who extracted money from people in return for their safe passage.”

      Having escaped from Bosnia in 1995, Erdemovic was arrested in Serbia. It was at this point this “pathological liar” and war profiteer contacted the ICTY and spun a story about Srebrenica. In return for his testimony, he received a laughably short sentence (five years!), and was given a new identity somewhere in the West. Read em and weep.Stop your hateful anti Christian propaganda abdul

    • Abdulmajid

      Balija, and PROUD of being one!

    • Abdulmajid

      Dragan and all other serborthodox christofascist morons out there, how unrealsitic you are. What you propose is a sort of Greater Serbia on a smaller scale, but you will NEVER get it. Dream on. Montenegro is not coming back under the Greater Serb fold either. They just do not wish to be ruled from Belgrade. Nobody who ever had anything to do with you people wants that. Don’t you see the pattern? And as for me, I am only giving you back some of the hate, or better, greed for plunder, that you people let loose on, and still feel for the Bosniaks. Who for the most had not done any of you anything. Don’t come with “the Turks blah blah blah, they were ustase and Nazis blah blah blah”. Are you serious that you can take revenge on ME over something my great-grandfather allegedly did to your great-grandfather??? Then you are one hateful, vengeful person, or just envious if I am in a better position than yours. Our Holy Qur’an warns of “the evil of the envious when he envies.” And rightly so! We see what Serb envy has done. You HAD to destroy Sarajevo becauise in a million years you woudl not be able to build a city like it. Exactly as the Muscovites felt only hate for the Central Asian peoples they conquered because at a time when Moscow was onyl a collection of mud and straw huts, Samarkand was a grandiose city. Likewise, what were the Spanish towns of the 15th century compared to Granada? A collection of hovels; that’s why they HAD to destroy it. Even the Bosniak FARMERS were literate, and many even knew Arabic and Persian; but your priests did not mind being analphabets themselves, as long as none of their flock converted to Islam (yet quite a few did. Nevertheless most Bosniaks are and have always been BOSNIAKS). And in the 20th century, a lot of Bosnians worked abroad, Muslim, Catholic, Orthodox, and they all made good money. It is what they made out of that money what counts. It seems that while the Bosniaks, and to some extent the Croats, were industrious – they bought and built houses, land, made beautiful and well-equipped homes, founded businesses, gave their children a good education – what did your people do? Drink it all up and squander it? Most probably. Such guys like Milan Lukic and all other of Karadzic’s willing executioners obviously were good-for-nothing BUMS, drunkards, hooligans, losers, minus men like yourself are a minus man, any one who reads your anti-Bosniak rant and taunts can see that. Obviously most Bosnian Serbs who killed or raped their Bosniak neighbors did so to appropriate their houses and fields, their car, their electrical appliances, because they fancied the Bosniaks’ wives and daughters but only as their barrack whores, because they enjoy cruelty, vandalism and wanton destruction. And their numbers were augmented by all sorts of criminals, hooligans and psychopaths from the Belgrade jails and madhouses, THAT is what the “heroic” Bosnian Serb army was about, and as soon as they were faced with a REAL army (which it cost the Bosniaks so much to build, what after the British and the French had stabbed them in the back) they ran away; and the Bosnak Benedict Arnold Fikret Abdic ran with them. (if there is a man who merits to be roasted on a small flame that renegade is it. He should never dare show his face in Bosnia again.) Their DEEDS have determined my feelings towards the Serbs, and nothing else. I feel the same for al kinds of Stalinists, and for the Nazis. United Kingdom of Greater Serbia? (actually, Lesser Serbia; it woudl not include Kosovo or Maccedonia in it) How unrealistic can one be. What kingdom are you talking about? Do you relly think the House of Karadjordjevic will ever regain power in Serbia? They will not, not on your life. Much less regain their old kingdom. That has been disposed of, on the DUST HEAP OF HISTORY! Do you think the Bosniaks will accept them as their rulers? Do not DREAM of it! And if Boris Tadic finally has accepted a more realistic view on Kosovo, for how long do you think will he go on supporting Dodik (who actually wants to become the ruler of all Serbs…ha ha ha)? Leave Bosnia ALONE! Go on skulking in your chetnik royalist memories of your granddaddy but DO NOT set one foot on Bosnian soil! What makes you think Bosniaks and non-Bosniaks can’t live in Bosnia? They did so for centuries. There never was “centuries old ethnic hate”. But if you persist in provoking the Bosniaks, in denying them justice and their rightful land, then they will someday apply your very own same logic to you. Then the great-great-great-(to the power of eight) grandsons of today’s Bosniaks, of the victims of Prijedor, Foca, Omarska, Srebrenica, Visegrad and thousands of other places will hold your great-great-great-(to the power of eight) grandsons responsible for what you did and they will pay them back as they have learned from YOU! Are you going to complain about that? Why is it that when you do something bad it is all right and when you get the same thing back you cry foul? If the ICJ judgment on Kosova had been in your favor you’d scream the whole world must abide by it, but if it was not in your favor (as it was) you will not accept it? And you whine about double standards? YOUR double standards! Accept it, YOU HAVE LOST! You have lost the wars in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo, you have lost the ICJ rule on Kosovo, you have lost framing Dr. Ejup Ganic, you have lost Kosova for your oppression and misrule of the Albanians; you have lost also before the courts what you could not gain by the force of arms, and soon you will lose the rest too, unless you finally ask for forgiveness for the evil you have done to Bosniaks and Albanians since 1804. You have already shown yorselves to be SAVAGES and BARBARIANS when you invaded Northern Albania in 1913. Who wants to share a country, a continent, or a planet with the likes of you? And if I do not damn the Serb nation and people as a whole then only because there are decent Serbs around: the poet Aleksa Santic, the harmonikas Jovca Petkovic; Sonja Biserko; Cedomir Jovanovic; Nenad Canak; Jovan Mirilo who exposed the genocide at Srebrenica. Maybe the righteous Serbs will overcome those who chose the wide and slippery path of fascism. THEN, and only then will I no longer hate them (except of copurse for the criminals and their intellectual authors themselves. May they roast in Hell) But if not then may that accursed nation suffer the consequences and get back all evil it has done. Now even in Serbia their leaders slowly begin to realize they can’t feed the people on nationalism and fascism while lining their pockets forever. They can’t continue doing the Milosevic thing; it has gotten them nowhere; and I earnestly hope the Serb populace will see that too. The only one who does not seem to realize it is Dodik. Or, it’s too late for him to turn back. So I do not think Bosnia will be shattered, because those who’d be so foolish to try would not have time to regret it. As for the Serbs’ negative image you are always whining about: you will not be able to get rid of it as long as you keep pointing the finger at the Bosniaks while at the same time denying and relativizing the Serb crimes (or your “heroics” as you prefer to call them). And as for the other Bosnian Serbs they have a simple choice: accept us balije, us infidels, us Moozlims, us jihadists and what-nots as equal human beings. Or get out. And the Bosnian Croats? The Bosniaks outnumber them at least three to one. Tudjman is not coming back from the grave. Are they then going to try something foolish? A modus vivendi for Bosnia can only be found through mutual consent. And for that, those who attacked and tried to exterminate the Bosniaks must realize that it was WRONG and EVIL and must seek the Bosniaks’forgiveness. THEN – and only then – autonomy and home rule for Bosnaks, Bosnain Swerbs and Bosnian Croats, and all others, with equality of rights and freedom of movement, assembly, opinion, residence and faith, can be worked out by mutual consent and in proportion. BUT YOUR GAINS THROUGH WAR, TERROR AND GENOCIDE CAN NEVER BE LEGITIMIZED! And you will no longer bully the Bosniaks around! If Dodik insists on doing so someday somebody stronger will come along and slap HIM around, like it happens to all bullies sooner or later. And you can believe me, I have a small daughter and if somebody dares bully her around I’ll break his arm, at the very least, and I will do this gladly, because a bully, cowardly, dastardly evil person who likes to abuse those who are weaker than him, as the Serbs always have doen to Bosniaks and Kosovars, deserves to be broken in piec es. And remember, now you don’t have the third largest and heaviest equipped army in Europe any longer. Do not think the Russians will come do the dirty work for you. After Afghanistan, after Chechnya, and not being able to control their part of the Caucasus any longer, they will simply not do it. And another thing, as long as most Serbs insist in Greater Serbia at the expense of the Bosniaks, Kosovars or Croats, I will forbid my daughter to marry a Serb. I will not accept him in my family. And should one of them think that just because he fancies her and she’s a Muslim, a balinkura, so he thinks he can do with her as he pleases, I will personally cut him to ribbons. With a blunt bamboo saw. Very, very slowly.

    • Monarh

      Sorry, my mistake,what I meant to say is The Eastern Bosnia.

    • Monarh

      Well,the only solution for the problem that is wide debated above is a quiet simple and the word is The United Kingdom Of Serbia,Montenegro and Western Bosnia!

    • Dragan

      abdul you are such a hateful person my gosh.Serbs dont have to worry about going to war with you people,soon enough you and the croats will be mutilating each other.For Serbs its a win win situation.God bless.

    • Abdulmajid

      You never give up, eh? The facts about the Bosnian war have been known for a long time, no need for me to prove again and agin to obtuse serbofascists what they already know (since I suspect a lot of them either participated in the Serb genocidal anti-Boseniak crusade, or know somebody who did) but always deny. Just a few days back one of those pigheaded obtuse fools said the bones found in Perucac lake were “animal bones” even though the photographs show them clearly to be human. But no, to the Serbofascists the genocide against Bosniaks was the Bosniaks’ own fault, there “never was no genocide”, Fikret Abdic (the Bosniak Benedict Arnold!) should have been the Bosniaks’ leader, Ejup Ganic is a war criminal (well, he’ws NOT, but Ratko Mladic is the worst of the lot and the Serbs let him go free; don’t try to fool me by saying “We don’t know where he is”; where could he be, in Jimmy Hoffa’s locker?) blah blah blah, and who like dragan says Karadzic is a hero has disqualified himself for any serious discussion. It is unfortunately only such pigheaded fools and criminals who hold sway in repluka srpska and they still only dream of bringing the Bosniaks to their knees or locking them into two landlocked bantustans where they can economically strangle them anytime they please. But the Bosniaks will not give up on Bosnia! And it is just as well that Boris Tadic has – at least he says so – pledged to Bosnia’s territorial integrity. The governments of Croatia and Montenegro have gone one step further and renounced any claims and intervention in Bosnia. When will Serbia follow suit and give up the stupid, evil and obtuse dream of Greater Serbia, of militarism and adventurism which has gotten them nowhere? All right, all right, there has to be a certain degree of autonomy for all population groups living in Bosnia, but through mutual consensus and agreement, NOT through violence, pillage, rape and genocide as the Bosnian Serbs did (and the Croats followed suit when Lord Owen tempted them; but then Milosevic, Karadzic, Boban and Tudjman had already conspiratively agreed it beforehand in a pitiful rehash of the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. What ever Bosniaks did to Bosnian Serbs during teh war is like what Poles and Czechs did to ethnic Germans after 1945; I’m not saying it was right, but it is understandable and different from what the Nazis adn the Chetniks did). But if the Bosnian Serbs do not give it up, if they persist in keeping their genocidal creature, they will have to confront the Bosniaks again. Or do you think that a Bosniak from Zvornik or Bijeljina will say to those who drove him from his house, who raped his wife and killed his son, “glad to let you have it”? The SERBS were the aggressor in Bosnia, as well as in Croatia and in Kosovo, NOT the Bosniaks, the Croats or the Kosovars! Their pigheaded, stupid evil denial, justification, equalization of guilt, pride in committing those war crimes disgust me profoundly and I do not wish friendship with people who are like that, with the Milan Lukics, Radovan Karadzics and Risto Dzogos whom by their own statements I see most Serbs to be. Such people do not deserve to walk this Earth, and even the Devil would not want them in Hell. And then they pride themselves on being such good Christians and their religion being the one of peace and love. Ha ha ha! Well, I was born and raised in it, and even as a little kid I saw through all its lies and hypocrisy, but only the Bosnian war made me come over to the True Faith. I saw the war in Bosnia was no different in its aims, method and means, especially vicious cruelty, malicious dishonesty and mosntrous hate from what happened in Spain between 1492 and 1610, when Spain was ethnically cleansed of Muslims. In Spain and in Bosnia, Muslims have only experienced vicious cruelty and monstrous hate at the hands of such virtuous and good people who pride themselves in being good Christians. And not only there, in Palestine during the Crusades and today, in North Africa during French, Spanish and Italian colonialism, in Bosnia and the whole Balkans after 1804, and if the Bosnian Serbs think they can take on the Bosniaks again as easily as in 1992, they are very wrong; and shoudl they really try to erase Bosna from the map then may tgheir accursed nation PERISH! But teh Cross will NEVER chase the Crescent out of Bosnia! They could not do that in 1912 and 1913, not after 1918, not in 1941-45, not in 1992-95 and next time around they will have to PAY for what they did then! With interests! You think that the islamophobic West will stab the Bosniaks in the back like the French and British did in 1992-95 “because they will not allow Muslims to fight Christians” I don’t think so; all your bids to secure through murky political and legalistic maneuvering what you could not get through the force of arms have failed miserably – the ICJ ruling on Kosovo, the Ejup Ganic scam, which now that you have failed at getting what you wanted you don’t want to recognize, after they did not turn out to be the way you wanted them – what hypocrisy, ‘if they ruled in our favor then the world must recognize it, and if they don’t then we will not abide by them.’ Ha! you are pathetic! I am willing to respect Christians and their beliefs (and their religious buildings too unless they were built over one of ours!) – but only if they are willing to accord me the same respect. And who does not want to do it, who considers me a lesser human being just for what I am, who thinks he can spit in my face or do me mental or bodily harm just for my being Muslim, I am willing to give him back all his hate and then some! Didja hear me, all you fascist, racist, bigot, cowardly, mendacious, malicious, hypocrite, unspeakable, unprintable, inhuman islamophobic genocidal MORONS out there???

    • Dragan

      to abdula wow there was alot of facts and documentation in your latest outburst of hate propaganda.God bless.

    • Abdulmajid

      Dragan, and you are serborthodox christofascist chetnik scum, you don’t address any of the points I say. You only spew venom and hate, and I am giving you back some facts. What I say about Bosnia has been proven more than enough. You are as pathetic as the lot of you. Come to Bosnia and talk like that to Bosniaks, to those who lost their loved ones because of you lot, and be cut to ribbons. People like you are so evil and foolish they should be placed in a reeducation camp that would make the Gulag look like a kiddie camp. The Cross will NEVER chase the Crescent out of Bosnia, and if you lot try again to commit genocide against Bosniaks, or to erase Bosnia from the map, I hope you will get the thrashing of a lifetime. And know that for what you say I see you as guilty as if you had been at Srebrenica or Omarska yourself. As if you had shot defenseless Bosniak prisoners or raped Bosniak schoolgirls! For all I know you could very well have. You are all alike. Then I do not care for your life or your well-being very much. And no, you are not going to bury the Bosniaks! It is because of all the evil Sertbs have done to Bosniaks that I fell for them the way I do! And NOTHING that you say can justify such evil! May your god-accursed nation perish! May your hate of Bosniaks choke you and may any Bosniak blood you havbe spilled come down on your head! May you never find peace, not in this world and not in the afterlife! DOLJE REPLUKA SRPSKA! DOLJE VELIKA SRBIJA!

Robert Spencer Exposed: Gets Facts on Pope Pius XII Wrong

This is still my favorite picture of Robert Spencer.

A while back Danios wrote one of his most popular pieces debunking Robert Spencer’s work. It dealt with a chapter from Spencer’s, Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and was titled The Church’s Doctrine of Perpetual Servitude. Spencer wrote a reply that basically skirted around the subject and in effect dug himself into a bigger hole then he was in previously. Danios replied to Spencer who has remained mum on the debate since then, essentially conceding to Danios and Loonwatch.

One of our readers, Paterfamilias, wrote to inform us that Spencer’s reply contained more factual errors. Spencer claimed that Pope Pius XII, though “controversial” was “memorialized at Yad Vashem.”

The record of Pope Pius XII is controversial, but there has been a good deal of misinformation publicized about it. In reality, he helped save many hundreds of thousands of Jews and was memorialized at Yad Veshem.

Oh really, a lot of misinformation? So much for Robert Spencer’s research abilities. He could have easily done a Google search to check the veracity of such a claim, but for a paid polemicist with an ax to grind it’s probably considered a waste of time.

The following article, Pope Pius XII and Yad Vashem, from Wikipedia makes it clear that not only is Pope Pius XII not memorialized at Yad Vashem, his candidacy has been repeatedly rejected for decades.

Yad Vashem, the state of Israel‘s official Holocaust memorial, has generally been critical of Pope Pius XII, the pope during The Holocaust. For decades, Pius XII has been nominated unsuccessfully for recognition as Righteous Among the Nations, an honor Yad Vashem confers on non-Jews who saved Jewish lives during the Holocaust altruistically and at risk to their own lives.

Yad Vashem affixes the following captions to two pictures of Pius XII in both English and Hebrew,

In 1933, when he was Secretary of the Vatican State, he was active in obtaining a Concordat with the German regime to preserve the Church’s rights in Germany, even if this meant recognizing the Nazi racist regime. When he was elected Pope in 1939, he shelved a letter against racism and anti-Semitism that his predecessor had prepared. Even when reports about the murder of Jews reached the Vatican, the Pope did not protest either verbally or in writing. In December 1942, he abstained from signing the Allied declaration condemning the extermination of the Jews. When Jews were deported from Rome to Auschwitz, the Pope did not intervene. The Pope maintained his neutral position throughout the war, with the exception of appeals to the rulers of Hungary and Slovakia towards its end. His silence and the absence of guidelines obliged Churchmen throughout Europe to decide on their own how to react.

Pretty damning stuff.

Yad Vashem’s official website has this to say about Pope Pius XII,

The controversy about Pius XII and the Holocaust is still open. At the end of his visit to Israel in 1964, Pope Paul VI came to Pius’s defense in Jerusalem. On March 12, 1979, Pope John Paul II met with Jewish leaders in Rome and said: “I am happy to evoke in your presence today the dedicated and effective work of my predecessor Pius XII on behalf of the Jewish people.” In a meeting with American Jewish leaders in September 1987 in Miami, John Paul II again recalled the positive attitude of Pius XII. However, his passivity in the face of the Holocaust remains a controversial subject.

How could Robert Spencer get a fact so brutally wrong? Maybe one day Yad Vashem will find Pope Pius XII legitimate for memorializing, but as of now the controversy surrounding his actions and inaction during the Holocaust continue to make the attempts of various Pope’s and advocates unsuccessful.

Robert Spencer should think twice before undertaking a task of disinformation, it just doesn’t fly anymore.

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Tariq Ramadan, “stealth jihadist,” exposed!

Tariq Ramadan

Tariq Ramadan

As you know, Dr. Tariq Ramadan – Muslim scholar, writer, and thinker – has had his visa to enter the country reinstated, and he used this to his advantage: speaking at various engagements across the United States. We here at LoonWatch alerted our fellow citizens of the arrival of the “stealth jihadist,” coining the terminology of Robert Spencer. Yet, we didn’t want to stop just there. We wanted to report on what this man was saying.

So, we were able to secure a confidential LW operative to infiltrate the CAIR-Chicago Annual Banquet, his first public speaking engagement since being allowed to come to the U.S., to report on his speech. This operative approached us initially, telling us that he would be attending Dr. Ramadan’s speech.  He posed as a regular member of the Muslim community and took clandestine notes and reported them back to us. This was a unique opportunity as Dr. Ramadan was speaking to an audience largely composed of Muslims, and so he can “let loose” and not show his “taqqiya,” as he would if he were speaking to non-Muslims. We could not pass this up.

In the beginning of his speech, he thanked those who helped him come back to the United States, such as the ACLU and others, and he said that he was blocked from coming to the United States because he spoke his mind, especially about the war in Iraq (on which, it turns out, he was correct). He said that people cannot confuse a government with its people.

He mentioned that there was one Islam: unified in its principles and beliefs, but many different cultures, interpretations, and schools of thought. It is an accepted diversity in Islam’s application. At the same time, however, he noted that there was a crisis in the understanding of Islam among Muslims, and that there were many challenges within the Muslim community that needed to be addressed. The main problem with Muslims is psychological in his opinion: he affirmed the need of Muslims to examine what is wrong with themselves, but they should also acknowledge the enormous strides Muslims – especially those in the West – have made in the last 30-50 years.

He urged Muslims to become more involved in their communities and differentitate between victimhood and having a “victim mentality.” He urged his listeners to struggle (aka “jihad”…dah dah daaaaaaah!!!!) against the victim mentality. He reminded the audience that whenever you work for justice, you will be opposed. Whenever you talk about love, he said, people will respond with hate.

Dr. Ramadan also touched upon spirituality, which is more than just praying. It is being strong from within. He quoted the verse about the parable of a good word:

Are you not aware how God sets forth the parable of a good word? [It is] like a good tree, firmly rooted, [reaching out] with its branches towards the sky, yielding its fruit at all times by its Lord’s permission. And [thus it is that] God propounds parables unto men so that they might bethink themselves [of the truth]. (14:24-25)

The roots of the tree are your heart, and the fruits of the tree are your actions, he said. An activist without spirituality is an agitated man, he said. He then gave advice about how to speak to fellow Americans: speak to them softly, and he advised the audience to behave like the “The Servants of the Most Merciful”:

And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk on the earth with humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, “Peace!” (25:63)

God is Beautiful, and He loves beauty, Dr. Ramadan said. Muslims’ mantra must be this: By serving the people, I serve Him. He also said that he does not like defining Islam as “submission.” In his understanding, Islam is entering into God’s peace, as the verse proclaims:

O you who believe! Enter into Islam [“peace”] whole-heartedly, and follow not the footsteps of Satan, for he is to you an avowed enemy. (2:208)

One of the first things the Prophet Muhammad said, he reminded the audience, when he entered Medinah is, “Spread peace.” That is what Muslims should do. No Muslim should say that you can’t love your neighbor if he is not Muslim. This is your home, he told the American Muslim audience. Americans are your people; you cannot call fellow Americans as “them.” When American Muslims say “we,” it must be an inclusive “we,” including all Americans. Spreading peace, justice, and ethics is the purpose of Muslims in America, not to convert non-Muslim Americans to Islam. Muslims are here to make society better; the hearts of the people are not their concern. That is the realm of God.

Now comes the “smoking gun” (pun intended): Dr. Ramadan spoke of Jihad! (dah dah daaaaaaah!!!) Jihad, he said, did not start with fighting, or qital. The first act of Jihad in the Qur’an was knowing how to use the Qur’an against those who opposed the message:

Hence, do not defer to [the likes and dislikes of] those who deny the truth, but strive hard against them, by means of this [divine writ], with utmost striving. (25:52)

He then ended his speech by turning a critical eye toward the Muslim community itself, which, he said, is very important. He bemoaned the many divisions in the Muslim community: divisions along ethnic lines, cultural lines, class lines, and economic lines. He said that there should be “Americans” in the mosques: people from all cultures. Muslims from different cultures should mix together, he said. He pointed out that many African-American Muslims feel like they are second class Muslims, and many converts feel they have to Arabize, and he criticized both phenomena. Muslims must also improve in their treatment of women, as well. If you want America to be better, he said, then Muslims must start in their own communities.

His final words were this: Never forget that you Muslims are American. He urged them to speak about Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine, and do so as Americans, not Muslims. Moreover, Muslims need to institutionalize their presence in America: Muslims need institutions, and they must work with all people. The key is confidence and humility: be confident about your position, but be humble at the same time.

There you have it, folks. Those were the words (paraphrased by our operative) of Dr. Ramadan at his speech to the CAIR-Chicago banquet. As you can see, it was full of intolerance, hatred, Islamism, and Jihadism. What was the American government thinking when it let him in?

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Feeling the Hate

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More myths about Barack Obama being a Mooslim and other nonsense from Tel Aviv streets documented by Max Blumenthal.

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    • Sam Seed

      @LB

      “What now, Didn’t the leader of Iran say he’ed Wipe Israel off the map!”.

      You will find that this is a lie, the Iranian Presdient didn’t utter those words, its what you want to hear. He actually said that the ‘Zionist Regime’ must be wiped off the face of the earth, not Israel. Oh the many faces of Zionism…

    • SunnyB

      “The only thing israelis want, is to finally be left alone and live in peace”

      This is really hilarious and sad at the same time. Shows you how much brainwashing and ignorance there is, that flies in the face of truth and justice. You would think a PALESTINIAN would be saying they want to be left alone to live in peace.

      HELLLOOOO, have you ever heard of the West Bank and Gaza Occupation? Checkpoints? Closed Borders? The aparteid wall? The open air prison that is Gaza? Give me a break, no one is buying the “poor innocent Israeli self-defense” excuses anymore. The world is wakin gup to the true face that shows through in these videos. Yes we no about the holocaust. No, we are not “Anti-Semitic”. Tired, old, lame arguments and re-perpetration of crimes against humanity of which Israelis should be the first to stand against!

      Give me a break!

    • Ari N.

      Denying Nakbaa is denying the holocaust. What a vicious cycle this is. Is this the reincarnation of the 40’s?

    • Sir David

      LB Firstly please enrole in a history class this autumn. Who is this “we” you are talking about ? Deserteagle . I was so pleased to read the leftist conspiricy therory was still alive I thought that one had died out in the 90’s.Where is the evidence for this bland assertion? Hienz . Fortunetly two wrongs dont make a right . Well not where I come from anyway. When will you guys ever learn that a dislike of Zionism and/or the politics of the state of Isreal is a perfectly allowable political stance? Its even legal in Isreal! and does not make one a terrorist.

    • deserteagle

      when the real haters kick in blumenthals door and drag him out because he is Jewish , he will get the message. the message? The only safe Jew is a fit well armed one , why? because there is a spectrum of haters out there and guess what blumenthal , alot of them are leftists. sad sad sad, wake up buddy.

    • LB

      What now, Didn’t the leader of Iran say he’ed Wipe Israel off the map! What do you except the Jews to say? Iran also provides the rockets to shoot into Israel- Get real! How about the leader of Palestine that joined with Hitler and The Nazis, Remember? When we won WWII we kicked them out because they where Axis allies serves them right! We know of the same thing happening on both sides for 100’s of years so what! It’s just now that Jews are kicking your ass that you whine!

    • Heinz Schneier

      Why are you focussing only on the reactions in Tel Aviv only? Why don’t you make any comparable inquiries in a main street of any arab capital (providing they would let you inquire anything)? You would understand then that you cann’t possibly expect any different reactions in Tel Aviv. The only thing israelis want, is to finally be left alone and live in peace and the reality that there ist a Paletinian Authority is due to the fact, that the Israelis brought the PLO back from Tunisia, to install them in their offices. On the other hand the overwhelming majority of muslims want to destroy Israel, kill the Jews and spread Islam all over the Dar-ul-Charb (World of the war).

    • YS

      Sadly, you do not have to go to Israel to “feel the hate”. This type of talk is common place among many, if not most, Jews in America. Many of whom quietly deny jobs, endoursements, media attention, etc. Muslim Americans and or anyone preceived and critical of Israel.

    • Max Blumenthal is an American Jewish reporter and author. He is the son of Sidney Blumenthal, who was the senior aide to Bill Clinton, hence his excellent connections. He has also made programmes for Al Jazeera.

      Max specialises in writing about the far right wing, and how they try to subvert public opinion. He has filmed some excellent video’s and reports by going undercover. The Tel Aviv video above was one he made in Israel, but he has also gone undercover and exposed American extremists like Pastor Hagee (Christians United for Israel)

      Max Blumenthal’s work offers a valubable insight into what America is up against. Please check out his superb work, his own website has a libary of his written, TV and media clips.

      http://maxblumenthal.com/

      Max Blumenthal published his first book in 2008 Republican Gomorrah: Inside The Movement That Shattered The Party

    • Ustadh

      It is pure hate on the streets of Tel Aviv.

Anti-Muslim Rev. Bill Keller: “Obama not American Citizen”

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Talk about having an agenda, in this case the shameless attempt to play on people’s fears to make a few bucks. It is only a hop-skip-and-a-jump from the next episode when TownHaller’s like Pamela Geller have their veiws of Obama being a Muslim parroted by Bill Keller.

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    • Robert808

      Birth announcements were published in both local papers in Hawaii. But then…. maybe his parents thought that someday he would be President so they called from Kenya and convinced the hospital to submit two false reports. And then had the State create a fake birth certifcate. Of course! The ignorance and racism is unbeleivable.

    • Duh-Swami, you really put the “duh” in your own name.

    • duh_swami

      Obama’s Kenyan grandmother say’s he was born in Kenya and she was there…Of course we all know that the President of the United States grandmother is a notorious liar…

    • Word

      I’m really stunned, that politics like this are actually mainstream amongst the right at this point.

    • Nusrat.K

      These people get funnier and funnier. That 186 page rebuttal of Obama’s birth certificate (biggest waste of time and energy), which no one in authority cares to even countenance, is supported by none other than Pam as you reported. The right wing is slowly going into dementia.

Robert Spencer Misrepresents Facts — Again

Uighur Boy Cries at a Protest Against Repressive Communist Policies

Uighur Boy Cries at a Protest Against Repressive Communist Policies

The indefatigable “anti-Islam blogger” Robert Spencer is at it again, if you thought he couldn’t get any lower or slimier think again! In another example of his “objective” and “unbiased” reporting and commentary on  Muslims, Spencer posts a blog titled Uighur Muslims in China Stabbing Opponents with Tainted Needles.

Uighurs are a Central Asian Turkic people (Turks you may recall are not really Robert Spencer’s favorite people).  The Uighurs are one of the minorities like the Tibetans that have suffered the most under the repressive policies of the Communist Chinese government. It is quite strange to see Spencer, a self-proclaimed “defender of Western values” find himself on the side of Communist China, but for Spencer every alliance is okay as long as it is against Muslims and “the Jihad” as defined by him.

This time Spencer reverts back to his favorite tactic of projection in which he takes an event and superimposes his own feelings and attitudes towards Islam and Muslims onto it, though it might be totally unrelated.

He writes of a “new never-before-seen” form of Jihad he has termed “syringe Jihad,”

Syringe Jihad in China. “China: Demonstrators demand security after needle attacks,” from CNN, September 3 (thanks to all who sent this in):

BEIJING, China (CNN) — Thousands of Chinese demonstrators crowded the streets of Urumqi in western China on Thursday to protest what they say is a lack of police protection, witnesses said.Over the past month, more than 400 ethnic majority Han Chinese have been stabbed with tainted syringes by Uyghurs, the Muslim minority, according to local news reports. The stabbings fueled Thursday’s protests by Han Chinese in the capital of China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region.

Many of those attacked with the hypodermic needles were hospitalized, but there have been no reports of deaths, the reports said.

Fifteen suspects have been detained for allegedly carrying out the stabbings, a senior official said Wednesday, according to China’s state-run Xinhua news agency. Of the 15, four have been formally charged, Xinhua reported.

A source told CNN that “countless” police and soldiers have deployed to Urumqi and so far, the demonstrations have been peaceful.

A local woman told CNN that the stabbings were ethnically motivated and that government text messages to citizens have warned that the syringes contained an unknown disease….

Not “ethnically.”

Robert Spencer

Robert Spencer

Robert Spencer sees these deplorable stabbings, presumably done by Uighurs, not as an instance of ethnic unrest but as something more insidious (i.e Jihad) . He does not attribute it to the tensions that exist in Xinjiang between Han Chinese and Uighurs, a tension that has increased over the years because “Beijing offered financial incentives for ethnic Chinese migrants to come to the province and set up businesses. Now, ethnic Han Chinese dominate nearly all big businesses in the region.”

All analysts are unanimous that the unrest and animosity between the two ethnicity’s is unrelated to religion, but in contradiction to all the analysis and reports available Spencer makes the claim that the violence has “nothing to do with the tensions between the two ethnicity’s.” Instead, he implies this is an offensive by Uighur Muslims propelled by their religion to randomly and non-sensically stab non-Muslims, i.e. what he terms “syringe Jihad.”

That is the type of “scholarship,” “objective” reporting and lack of context you can expect on JihadWatch. Everything under the sun that Muslims do, or may do wrong is because they are Muslims and all of it can be linked back to Islam and Jihad.

In other news, I wonder if Robert Spencer that “defender of Western values” such as freedom of religion will report on another piece of news relating to the Uighur Muslims that came across the wire today — China’s Muslim Uyghurs Forbidden to Fast During Ramadan — for some reason I highly doubt it,

Chinese authorities in Xinjiang Province have issued a notice that any Uyghur cadres or workers found not eating lunch during Ramadan could lose their jobs.

It is part of the campaign of local authorities in Xinjiang, home to the Muslim Uyghur ethnic group, to force the Uyghur people to give up their religious rituals during the fasting month of Ramadan.

Ramadan is a holy month in the Islamic calendar, which begun this year on Aug. 22. It requires not eating during the daytime.

“Free lunches, tea, and coffee—that authorities are calling ‘Care from the government’ or ‘Living allowance’—are being offered in government departments and companies. But it is actually a ploy used to find out who is fasting,” said Dilxat Raxit, World Uyghur Congress spokesman, speaking to The Epoch Times.

According to Dilxat, Uyghur Communist Party cadres throughout Xinjiang had been forced to sign “letters of responsibility” promising to avoid fasting and other religious activities. They are also responsible for enforcing the policy in their assigned areas, and face punishment if anyone in these areas fasts.

For the first time, Dilxat said, the crackdown has extended to retired Communist Party members. Current cadres are required to visit them to prevent them from participating in the fast. If anyone violates the ban, local leaders will be held responsible and severely punished, he said.

Muslim restaurant owners are forced to sign a document to remain open and continue selling alcohol during Ramadan or have their licenses revoked, he said.

Uyghurs arrested during the July riots in Urumqi are also prohibited from fasting; those who insist on fasting will be force fed food and water while enduring insults for their misbehavior, he said in the interview.

Monks in mosques are forced to preach to others that fasting is a “feudal activity” and harmful to health, said Dilxat. Otherwise, their religious certification will be cancelled.

When asked about Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leader Hu Jintao’s recent visit to Xinjiang, Dilxat said: “Xinjiang’s situation has not yet returned to normal. Rather than asking the local Han people to respect the religion and culture of Uyghur people, Hu encouraged the use of military troops to suppress and further restrict our religious freedom. The communist regime often talks about ‘maintaining stability,’ but what they do is always different from what they say. They are actually the ones who are destroying stability.”

An Epoch Times reporter contacted the CCP’s State Ethnic Affairs Commission to see whether the restrictions claimed by Dilxat were official, or what the official stance on Ramadan was. The media contact wouldn’t speak on the subject, instead giving two numbers in Xinjiang that he said the reporter would be able to call to find out more. Both numbers were continually busy, and when the reporter called the State Ethnic Affairs Commission back, the man hung up.

The directives are communicated on official Web sites in the region, however.

Additional reporting by Matthew Robertson

Read original article in Chinese.

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    • Bill

      Religion is part of the seperatist narrative of the Uyghurs. It reinforces their distinctiveness from non-Muslims and has passages which make violence against non-Muslims not just acceptable but also encourageable.

      Muslims when they might be dominant in once country or lower on the sociopolicial spehere in another, will still oppress and attack non-Muslims.

      This is clear in cases such as the UK and France where Muslims are disproportionate in crime even though they are confined to ethnic enclaves (or non-Muslim no-go areas). But non-Muslims also face horrendous abuse in Muslim-dominated countries such as Christians in Pakistan and Egypt.

      Jihad of course meaning struggle. Well Jihad has been broken down into several categories and each are generally thought to mean the process by which Muslims harm and undermine non-Muslims. Such examples would be like love jihad, civilization jihad etc.

    • Omar Mirza

      Robert Spencer is a truly disgusting human being.

    • Imad

      James:

      you make a really good point. This is my theory why that’s so: I really think it’s cause the Islamic terrorists use religion to justify there reasons. Everyone knows about Christianity but not a lot of ppl know about Islam (or not as much as Christianity). Therefore, all people know is what the media gives them: Muslim extremists using religion to justify their acts. And then they don’t research about Islam. P.S. I’m very young (fourteen) and I hate people that misinform about Islam after I found out about robert Spencer. So if my theory is wrong please correct my ignorance.

    • James

      What if the Uighurs were Christian rather than Muslim?

    • Garibaldi

      Morakot,

      Thank you for pointing that out. When the initial reports came out they only mentioned Han but I had a suspicion that it included other groups as well. Is there a link to your quote?

    • Morakot_OstEuropa43

      “The majority of the victims were from the Han ethnic group. Others were from ethnic groups including Uygur, Hui and Kazak.”

    • Mahmoud

      Because they need a new enemy after communism. Muslims were the obvious choice after 9/11

    • Az Zaqqum

      But WHY do so many people dislike Muslims??

    • Ustadh

      Robert Spencer will support anybody in his bid to destroy Islam. Thank you for highlighting his faulty and obviously biased methodology. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see he hates Muslims.

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