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London Mayor’s Awkward Moment: Remove children from “Islamist radicals”

Awkward Moment

Graphic credit: Mr Tickles via twitter @MrTickle3

by Ilisha

H/T: Mr.Tickle

At last justice has been served. Michael Adebowale and Michael Abedbolago were convicted of the brutal murder of British soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich last May. Rigby’s family issued a statement saying:

We would like to thank the judge and the courts for handing down what we believe to be the right prison terms.

We would also like to thank everyone who has supported us in the last nine months.

It has brought us a lot of comfort and we feel satisfied that justice has been served for Lee. We now ask to continue to grieve in private.

Predictably, anti-Muslim bigots have seized the opportunity to issue their own statements, recklessly indicting Islam, and with it, the entire UK Muslim community.

To his credit, London Mayor Boris Johnson prefaced his anti-Muslim diatribe with a qualifier in an article published by the Telegraph. Johnson said he was glad it was the last time the public would have to hear the perpetrators “pervert the religion of Islam.

The Mayor then  launched into a bizarre “kitchen sink” rant about a wide range of issues, including the “Paedophile Information Exchange”, female genital mutilation, “radical Islamic extremism,” and the alleged perils of political correctness.

The Daily Mail quoted him as saying:

The children of Islamist radicals should be taken into care…

Mr Johnson said young people were increasingly being ‘radicalised at their home’ and taught the sort of ‘crazy stuff’ similar to the views espoused by the killers of Lee Rigby.

He said lack of clarity about the law meant the authorities were reluctant to intervene.

The Mayor wrote in the Daily Telegraph: ‘A child may be taken into care if he or she is being exposed to pornography, or is being abused – but not if the child is being habituated to this utterly bleak and nihilistic view of the world that could lead them to become murderers.

‘It is the strong view of many of those involved in counter-terrorism that there should be a clearer legal position, so that those children who are being turned into potential killers or suicide bombers can be removed into care.’

Whatever the merits of the Mayor’s arguments, his comments seem highly misplaced with regard to the murder of Lee Rigby. Michael Adebowale and Michael Abedbolago are both converts to Islam, and therefore we reasonably conclude were not raised by Muslims–never mind “Islamist radicals.”

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    • Laila Muhammad

      every day we read about rabbis being arrested for child abuse and the code of silence that surrounds and protects them…where is mayor Johnson’s outrage

    • El Cid

      Excellent but uncommon observation. Wisdom of the Ages. Empirical data contradicts what his demagogue sells. More often than not.

      In statistical lingo, it is called tending towards the mean: Parents with extreme attributes have off spring who tend to have more normal tendencies.

  • Sam Seed

    Wow Ilisha, that’s 2 you’ve owned!

Quilliam suddenly backtracking from EDL ex-leader, but declassified UK Government records expose Quilliam’s real plans

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Original guest article by Jai Singh

As previously discussed on Loonwatch, the Quilliam Foundation’s leadership have been exposed as directly involved with Douglas Murray’s neocon “Henry Jackson Society” think-tank. It turns out that senior figures from these two organisations have been working closely with each other for an extended period of time. As also heavily documented in the article, Douglas Murray himself has a considerable history of virulently anti-Muslim views (especially when the audience is not the British mainstream media), and he has also made further statements complaining about “white Britons abolishing themselves”. Like English Defence League ex-leader Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka “Tommy Robinson”), Murray also has an extensive history of very close involvement with the anti-Muslim propagandist Rev. Deacon Robert Spencer, a high-profile foreign extremist whom the British Government’s Home Office has banned from entering the United Kingdom. Murray has recently become increasingly open about his support for Yaxley-Lennon too.

After the article was published, Quilliam co-founder/Liberal Democrats parliamentary candidate Maajid Nawaz and Quilliam’s “head of research” Ghaffar Hussain (who, it turns out, merely works for them in a freelance capacity and is actually a formal member of the Henry Jackson Society’s professional staff) both engaged in a lengthy Twitter argument with one of Loonwatch‘s editors on 30 December 2013. Hussain is clearly furious about being publicly exposed as working for Douglas Murray’s organisation. Nawaz’s own behaviour was a combination of bizarre, immature sneering, and blatant “psychological projection”. For example, see here and here. There are numerous other examples visible if you scroll down to 30 December 2013 on Loonwatch’s Twitter account. Nawaz also engaged in his usual ridiculous tactic against his critics, labelling Loonwatch’s editors and writers as “Far-Left”, “Islamists”, and “Islamist apologists”.

Most striking of all was the fact that both Maajid Nawaz and Ghaffar Hussain completely avoided the main premise of the article, namely the fact that Quilliam’s leadership are directly involved with the Robert Spencer-allied Douglas Murray and the Henry Jackson Society. Nawaz and Hussain were unable to refute any of information highlighted in the article, including the details of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon’s statements admitting the real reasons for his involvement with Quilliam.

Neither Maajid Nawaz nor anyone else from Quilliam are publicly disclosing the aforementioned extremely incriminating facts to the British general public or the mainstream news media. It is presently unclear if they are revealing these facts to the British Government.

QUILLIAM CO-FOUNDER/LIBERAL DEMOCRATS PARLIAMENTARY CANDIDATE MAAJID NAWAZ, THE “CARTOONS CONTROVERSY”, AND THE JAILING OF EDL EX-LEADER STEPHEN YAXLEY-LENNON

Maajid Nawaz was recently at the center of a major controversy in the UK. I am not going to comment in detail on this issue; like Loonwatch’s editors, I think the subject is a distraction from the much bigger problems with Nawaz and Quilliam. However, it is worth noting Nawaz’s recent online statements to members of the British general public who had criticised his actions. Bear in mind that the following remarks are from someone who presents himself as a leading wannabe “reformer” of one of the world’s major religions:

Maajid Nawaz, writing on Twitter, 18 January 2014: “offence?? Get the F*^k off my timeline if you’re offended.”

Maajid Nawaz, writing on Twitter [subsequently deleted], January 2014: “If you dont like an inoffensive, rather polite cartoon, I don’t give a **** get the **** off my timeline. Why did I post it? Who gives a ****!”

Maajid Nawaz, writing on Twitter, 17 January 2014: “Ha ha!! As @IceCube once said in the intro skit to “Amerikkka’s Most Wanted”, while on death row. “F*** all y’all” #Radical”

Still writing on his Twitter account, Nawaz has subsequently taken to “piously” quoting various verses from the Quran.

It is interesting to note that this controversy coincides with the period of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon’s sentencing and jailing on multiple counts of conspiracy to commit mortgage fraud. It is also interesting to note that Nawaz has (publicly) still said absolutely nothing about Yaxley-Lennon’s jailing.

Furthermore, although Quilliam’s leadership claim to be staunch believers in the concept of “freedom of speech”, and have recently been referring to this concept when justifying their own actions, it turns out that they actually have a history of threatening lawsuits against opponents who have used their own freedom of speech to criticise Quilliam.

QUILLIAM SUDDENLY DENYING CLOSE INVOLVEMENT WITH STEPHEN YAXLEY-LENNON/“TOMMY ROBINSON”

On 14 January 2014, approximately a week before Yaxley-Lennon’s jailing, Political Scrapbook reported the following developments:

Having lapped up the publicity from brokering his exit from the EDL, anti-extremism think tank Quilliam seem to be getting cold feet about Robinson after they were wrongly linked to the tour. A spokesman was at pains to deny they were paying him for anything and told Scrapbook:

“Tommy Robinson isn’t doing anything for Quilliam. He’s not a member of staff here … He’s his own man.”

“We do outreach work. Tommy Robinson does other things and he’s not working here.”

Quilliam claim that his involvement with them has so far been limited to “mentoring” — including attending classes on Islam and “theological reform”.

However, as previously discussed on Loonwatch, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon himself has been making some very different statements to various international outlets (especially a Far-Right source). He has even repeatedly confirmed his continuing support for Robert Spencer. In fact, Yaxley-Lennon has admitted the real reasons for his involvement with Quilliam, including the associated long-term gameplan. Key quotes:

[Stephen Yaxley-Lennon/”Tommy Robinson]: “The fact is that I thought it would be a good idea to appear together with Quilliam in order to gain credibility. It is good to sit together with them and say: “We don’t hate Muslims but we have to solve our problems.”

– When I met the people from Quilliam, I realized that they could help me with a lot of things. I’m just a working class bloke from Luton. I don’t know how to set up and run a think tank and get donations. I asked if they would teach me and they said yes. They said: “You may have whatever opinions you like but you will get more out of expressing them in a more political way.”

[Dispatch International]: “Could one say that you are using them and they are using you?”

Tommy doesn’t answer but nods and grins

[…..]

[Stephen Yaxley-Lennon/”Tommy Robinson”]: “Look at what has happened since I left the EDL. Look at my new platform.”

[…..]

“What I’m saying now is the same as I’ve been saying for four and a half years.”

[…..]

“There is a massive gap between what I can say and what the politicians can say. When I now sit with politicians in a TV studio, they may disagree with me but when the cameras are shut, they give me the thumbs up. So do many journalists who used to tear into me.”

[…..]

“We are thinking of a big launch where we will invite everybody and leaders of all kinds. This is what we are going to do and this is how we are going to do it. I think people are more willing to fund this than the EDL.”

[…..]

“Actually, my stance [towards Islam and Muslims] hasn’t dampened or softened at all – if people listen to what I say.”

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, writing on Twitter, 17 January 2014:

When have I slagged EDL off? Remember what I stood for? It’s what I stand for! Like I’ve forgot ! I live it every day.

This article includes nearly two dozen examples of Yaxley-Lennon’s extremely bigoted previous statements during his time with the EDL, including multiple examples clearly indicating that (a) Yaxley-Lennon’s agenda is actually racially-motivated, and (b) he is using the terms “Islam/Islamic” and “Muslim” as euphemisms for “South Asian”.

As highlighted by The Guardian in October 2013, there has been speculation that Quilliam’s actions are actually motivated by an agenda to secure new funding. Another Guardian article from October 2013 quotes Maajid Nawaz himself:

Nawaz said he would work to introduce Robinson to his own contacts in government and the Home Office in an attempt to procure government funding.

EXPOSED: QUILLIAM CO-FOUNDER MAAJID NAWAZ REQUESTS TAXPAYER MONEY TO PAY STEPHEN YAXLEY-LENNON

An extensive amount of material newly released via FOI procedures has exposed the Quilliam leadership’s recent discussions with one of the British Government’s major departments.

Amongst other things, it turns out that Maajid Nawaz has been sending senior government officials begging letters requesting funding sourced from British taxpayers, in order to (a) finance Quilliam’s targeting of EDL members, and (b) especially to pay Stephen Yaxley-Lennon himself. Key extracts:

From: Maajid Nawaz Sent: 08 October 2013 10:08 […..] Subject: Major development – READ now Importance: High

[…..]

Quilliam has broken the news to the world that Quilliam has managed to facilitate the defection of the founder and leader of the EDL, Tommy Robinson (real name Stephen Yaxley), and his right-hand man and co-founder Kevin Carroll from their movement. In other words, the UK’s largest right-wing street movement – the EDL – is being decapitated. By tomorrow, this will be major and probably global news.

Both men are keen to be guided by Quilliam in their transition away from this movement and towards a better way forward. In this case, Quilliam will act as a conduit.

[….]

We at Quilliam are immensely proud to have been able to help bring this transition about. We have offered to support these defections and are currently seeking to raise funds for the costs associated with supporting Tommy Robinson while he transitions away from his current financial dependency on the EDL, with a long term view of helping him reconsider his strategy and tactics under our long-term guidance.

Due to the nature of this unprecedented news, we have been coordinating this transition and all costs associated to it without a budget. Please let us know if you can urgently help us with a direct contribution so that we may fund Stephen’s transition and cut off his previous dependency on EDL donors.

Finally, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your continued support for Quilliam as we make history in this way. Today we hope to make you proud!

Yours, Maajid

From: Maajid Nawaz Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 4:52 PM

[…..]

Subject: RE: Major development – READ now

[…..]

Concerning our below announcement, here’s a news analysis that I believe sums it up well: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100241068/the-symbiotic-relationship- between-the-edl-and-the-islamo-nutters-not-forgetting-the-anti-fascists/

I am keen to turning this into a project in which Tommy and I can start to reach out to his former members and pull them into the mainstream. Saturday’s Guardian will carry an apology by Tommy for the hurt he’s caused Muslims. Can we meet to discuss? Currently, this we have no funding in place to engage in this vital work.

Best, Maajid

It is worth bearing in mind the following fact: British Government policy is that public money must not be used to fund extremist individuals and organisations.

QUILLIAM AND EDL CO-FOUNDER KEVIN CARROLL

Despite Maajid Nawaz’s claims in the first email quoted above, in reality Kevin Carroll has continued pushing virulently anti-Muslim views online. There have recently been two particularly glaring incidents, one of which included the endorsement of mass-murder. See here and here. As documented here, Kevin Carroll has also been openly promoting Far-Right conspiracy theories.

Maajid Nawaz and the rest of Quilliam’s leadership have (publicly) still said absolutely nothing to condemn Kevin Carroll’s latest actions, let alone preventing them in the first place.

QUILLIAM’S ATTEMPTED INFILTRATION OF THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT

A Guardian article from 2010 discussed the fact that Quilliam drew up a secret list of individuals and groups they claimed were “Islamist extremists”, including one of Scotland Yard’s own counter-terrorism units, and sent this report directly to the director-general of the British Government’s Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism (OSCT), a directorate of the Home Office. Quilliam’s report was rejected and condemned by a range of senior figures, including the co-founder of the aforementioned counter-terrorism unit along with the Chairman of the Parliament’s Home Affairs Select Committee.

The aforementioned declassified emails includes the following statements by Maajid Nawaz, in an email dated 11 June 2013, inviting “Secretary of State” [sic; his full title is actually “Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government”] Eric Pickles to a Quilliam anniversary event:

The Prime Minister has indeed been listening to us. Only a week before the Woolwich murder he called upon me to visit him and the Foreign Secretary at Chequers in order to advise officials on what our governments policy should be towards new Islamist regimes in the Middle-East.

It is presently unclear if the British Government is aware of the full scale of Quilliam’s actions and affiliations, particularly the incriminating facts highlighted in this article and the preceding associated articles. Considering the Quilliam leadership’s demonstrable history of gross dishonesty, it would therefore be appropriate to give Prime Minister David Cameron, Foreign Secretary William Hague, and associated senior politicians and government officials the benefit of the doubt.

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    • asd

      So as a think-tank Quilliam gets to make recommendations based on ‘research’ as to who fits their ‘islamist’ (i.e. whoever does not agree with our view about how faith should be expressed and faith-related (mainly public-inclined) thoughts one could have). And the quality and legitimacy of this group is based on what? Being a formal think-tank – the bureaucratic setup, with suits, a website, and other professional monikers – i guess gives it some superficial legitimacy. More legitimacy could come from their ideas/articles/events being engaged/attend-to by people of note from the muslim and other communities, which would give further force to their overall goals.

      Hmm.. Loonwatch guys, you should make a think-tank, perhaps call it “Muslim Media Monitor”, where media includes internet stuff. This blog that you have could be the ‘informal/popular’ face/front, and on top of that you can get people to write articles, and think-tanky recommendations to the government and ofted and whatnot.

    • Elmorocojo

      Maajid Nawaz, writing on Twitter, 17 January 2014: “Ha ha!! As @IceCube once said in the intro skit to “Amerikkka’s Most Wanted”, while on death row. “F*** all y’all” #Radical”

      As Common Sense once said to Ice Cube: Nawaz “I see the bitch in you!.”

    • Tanveer Khan

      Ready and raring to go!

    • Tanveer Khan

      I know you’re independent. I was just wondering xD

    • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

      There’d be nothing wrong with it imo, as they do great work and are constantly the targets of right-wing fanatics (like Spencer who throw out the flimsy unindicted co-conspirator blah blah) however it’s important to point out the obvious: LW is independent of any org.

    • Tanveer Khan

      What exactly is wrong with being funded by CAIR anyway?

    • Tanveer Khan

      Maybe someone from loonwatch exposed. They were talking about you.

    • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

      I’m not sure exactly but go to our Twitter account, http://www.twitter.com/loonwatchers and scroll down to Dec.30th and you’ll see the swarm of Quilliam interns and fans who attempted to ambush us.

    • Chameleon_X

      “Quilliam claim that his involvement with them has so far been limited to “mentoring” — including attending classes on Islam and “theological reform”.

      In other words, anti-Islam brainwashing and propaganda training.

      “Quilliam has managed to facilitate the defection of the founder and leader of the EDL, Tommy Robinson (real name Stephen Yaxley), and his right-hand man and co-founder Kevin Carroll from their movement…..We have offered to support these defections and are currently seeking to raise funds for the costs associated with supporting Tommy Robinson while he transitions away from his current financial dependency on the EDL, with a long term view of helping him reconsider his strategy and tactics under our long-term guidance. Due to the nature of this unprecedented news, we have been coordinating this transition and all costs associated to it without a budget.”

      In other words, we are paying a boatload of money for these renowned hate whores, and they are snug on our leash now, completely dependent on us. Don’t worry, we are planning on putting these desperate bitches to work for our hate cause until we get your money’s worth — and then some — over the “long term”.

      Great article again, Jai.

    • The greenmantle

      As someone not on twitter ( life is too short and I dont have time ) could the exchange between loon watch and the Quillan guys be posted in full here ? Sir David

  • mindy1

    What a shocker

Some Jewish Reasons Why Inviting Pamela Geller To Speak Is Not Kosher

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Loonwatch has previously pointed out that Islamophobia and Judeophobia are frequently related. In this open letter to synagogues and Jewish organizations planning to have Pamela Geller speak, Jewish Loonwatcher Just Stopping By points out that not only is Pamela Geller Islamophobic, but her Islamophobia leads her to take anti-Jewish positions as well. Loonwatchers are encouraged to send copies of or links to this letter, or to compose a polite but informative message of their own, when they hear of Geller planning to speak at a synagogue or Jewish organization.

Some Jewish Reasons Why Inviting Pamela Geller To Speak Is Not Kosher

Guest Post by Just Stopping By

An Open Letter to Synagogues and Jewish Organizations Considering Inviting Pamela Geller to Speak: Pamela Geller Promotes Hatred of Jews and Jewish Practices

Pamela Geller frequently arranges to speak at venues by claiming to be a human rights advocate. Often, when the venues involved learn of her public Islamophobia, they decide to cancel her speech.

Rabbi Eric Yoffie, President Emeritus of the Union for Reform Judaism noted in 2013, “The recent decisions by a synagogue in Great Neck and another outside of Toronto to cancel appearances by anti-Islam activist Pamela Geller—both were rescheduled at other venues—have made headlines in the Jewish press and raised  interesting questions for the Jewish community.” Rabbi Yoffie states in his commentary that “Pamela Geller has no place in an American synagogue.  She is a bigot and purveyor of hate.”

Pamela Geller’s anti-Muslim hatred should be sufficient reason to not invite her to speak or to withdraw any invitation already given. In addition, as has often been pointed out, hate against one group often leads to hate against another. And, even if Pamela Geller does not mean to promote hate against Jews and Jewish practices, in many ways she does just that. Below are ten ideas that you may not be aware that Pamela Geller has put forth that, in fact, are conducive to promoting hatred of Jews and Jewish practices.

1. Geller is effectively against kosher meat, having described a process nearly identical to shichitah (kosher slaughtering) as an action that yields “meat slaughtered by means of a barbaric, torturous and inhuman method: Islamic slaughter. Halal slaughter involves killing the animal by cutting the trachea, the esophagus, and the jugular vein, and letting the blood drain out…” The same could be said about shichitah, as the slaughtering method is subject to the same concerns.

2. Geller objects to reasonable accommodations for those who want to wear religious headwear like a kippa / yarmulke. Similarly, she points out an Obama appointee is “the first veiled Muslim woman to serve in the White House,” (bolding in Geller’s post), licensing a similar smear against kippa- or sheitel-wearing Jews.

3. Geller objects to universities offering optional classes and conferences in religious law. This is true even when those conferences serve goals such as applying pressure on non-state actors to reduce civilian casualties by addressing “the lack of standards for dealing with the rise of irregular armies or the inability of the law to accommodate asymmetric forms of attacks by non-state entities against sovereign states.” This position could be used against schools like the largest Catholic university in the United States, which has a Center for Jewish Law & Judaic Studies.

4. Geller objects when a government official uses a Semitic language to speak to an audience, calling it “speechifying in” that language. This attitude could be similarly used to criticize U.S. government officials who reach out to Jews in Hebrew or, moving beyond purely Semitic languages, in the Yiddish phrases that former Secretary of State Colin Powell sometimes invoked.

5. Geller objects to a private airline removing pork from its menu when traveling to/from a Middle Eastern country, even though many American Jews are familiar and comfortable with pork-free flights to the Middle East.

6. Geller objects to mosques‘ existence and construction, often under the pretext of zoning issues, using arguments that could be turned against synagogues. She further “calls for immediate investigation into foreign mosque funding in the West and for new legislation making foreign funding of mosques in non-Muslim nations illegal,” a principle that could be turned against foreign funding or support for synagogues, and presumably other religious endeavors such as Chabad Houses, everywhere in the world other than in Israel.

7. Geller objects to the use of sharia courts for private dispute resolution, though this could affect b’tei din (Jewish courts) and though Jewish, Muslim, and other religious courts are publicly financed in Israel.

8. Geller objects to public schools having religious holidays off when those holidays are for religious minorities at the school, though Jewish groups often make the case for schools with large Jewish student populations having Jewish holidays off.

9. Geller promotes intolerance by using mocking terminology for religious figures, such as “Moe” for Muhammad, while Jews have rightly been upset at the use of mocking references to Jewish names and should be uniquely concerned with nomenclature given issues such as references to the Tanakh or the “Old” Testament.

10. Geller spreads conspiracy theories about what she has called the “Islamic Geopolitical Influence in Financial Markets.” Do synagogues and Jewish organizations really want to sponsor a speaker who promulgates theories about the influence of members of a particular religion on global financial markets?

Pamela Geller’s statements about Muslims are hateful enough that on that basis alone she should not be invited to speak at a synagogue or Jewish organization. Jews would not approve of other groups making similar statements about us, and we should remember that we should not do to others what is hateful for us. Beyond that, when we go and study Geller’s statements, we see that her agenda is not pro-Jewish. In fact, it is conducive to hatred against Jews and Jewish practices; she does not even have a leg to stand on.

How far do Geller’s statements go in providing support for hatred against Jews? Consider this quote from Geller, with bolding added, about a rabbi who called out Geller’s bigotry:

The quisling “rabbi” Jill Jacobs, the executive director of T’ruah, which spent $10,000 on ads last fall to oppose my pro-Israel ads, said “I wish that none of this had ever started.” Really, “Rabbi”? Jacobs will answer to higher authority. Jacobs was silent when vicious anti-Israel ads ran in cities across the country. Jacobs only got involved to condemn me for standing up against the vicious anti-semitic ad campaigns running on transit platforms from NY to California. Jacobs is not a rabbi — Jacobs is a quisling, an enemy with a Mona Lisa smile. She should be stripped of any rabbinical status (I am sure she’s of the ridiculous “reformed” [sic] movement — which no practicing Jew takes seriously).

A speaker at a synagogue or Jewish organization should be someone whose talk leads to a good and pleasant experience for those seated in the audience, not someone who uses blog post titles to spread division-inciting baseless hatred while trivializing Jewish history. Geller’s statements are not the kind of speech that a Jewish soul should yearn for; for if it does, our hope for peace and understanding with Muslims and other Jews may be lost.

It is understandable that a synagogue or Jewish organization could be misled by a carefully edited biography about Pamela Geller that seems to show her as a civil rights activist. But, analyses by the Southern Poverty Law Center show that she is an avid anti-Muslim bigot. That should be sufficient to deny her a position as a speaker at a synagogue or Jewish organization. But, given Geller’s effective anti-Jewish agenda, if you do decide to invite her, remember not to serve kosher meat or to refer to any rabbis who oppose her, especially those of the Reform movement though also Modern Orthodox, as a rabbi (instead of as a “rabbi”), lest you do something she finds offensive. Of course, the best idea is to either not invite her at all, or, like other synagogues and Jewish organizations have done, to withdraw an invitation you have provided before being made aware of Geller’s anti-Muslim and anti-Jewish positions.

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    • Mehdi

      Appreciated JSB, Ramadan mubarak said to LWers.

    • Rights

      That’s a great point. I didn’t think of it. Actually I rarely go to JihadWatch, AtlasShrugs, and the like sites. I don’t know why. But it could be a subconscious move to keep my blood pressure in check, thereby cutting down the chances of clogging my arteries or an outright stroke. Come to think of it, though, why couldn’t JihadWatch be StruggleWatch? Perhaps Robert would give it due thought.

      On Bush. I don’t think we will ever know what he had in mind when he used the term Crusade. But I have always given him the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t mean it in the sense of the historical Christian Crusades. On the other hand I am sure that at least some who unreservedly supported his Wars looked upon them as Crusades in roughly the same sense as the Crusades of long past.

    • Just_Stopping_By

      “surely you can afford to be honest about the actual meaning of the word…

      I thought of this comment just now while pursuing Spencer’s site and came across the following. A Jordanian MP said that George W. Bush said that he was engaging in a “Crusader war,” and Spencer “corrected” him by saying, “Actually, he said it was a ‘crusade,’ clearly meaning the word in the general sense it has in the West, of a struggle for justice.”

      Let me just highlight that: we must take the word “crusade” to mean “struggle for justice,” not something like “violent or warlike action” because that is the general sense it has. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/discussing-kerrys-peace-efforts-jordanian-mp-quotes-muhammad-judgment-day-will-not-come-until-the-muslims-fight-the-jews-and-the-muslims-will-kill-them

      Hmm, are there any other words that Spencer knows that could mean either “struggle” or violent/warlike act, but that sometimes clearly mean struggle based on a general sense of their usage? It’s on the tip of my tongue…

    • The greenmantle

      oh great when does the cheque arrive ? I prefer cash or gold but If its backed by the US govt it must be good . Not food stamps though as its difficult to use them here in France Sir David

    • The greenmantle

      Speaks truth to power ? Lies to the gulible as you would know if you actually read the above report Sir David

    • Razainc_aka_BigBoss

      Canada

  • Mehdi

    Get an aircraft carrier, and some fox news cover, and we’ll set the mission accomplished sign

Reza Aslan, a Typo, and the Petty Vindictiveness of Robert Spencer

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by Ilisha

As we’ve noted before, Robert Spencer seems to have an unhealthy obsession with Reza Aslan. Sadly for Spencer, his interest is not reciprocated.

In this case, serious engagement would elevate Spencer and give him a veneer or credibility he does not deserve. The best response to irredeemable loons is laughter and ridicule. Aslan has responded by teasing Spencer about a man crush:

1. You don’t actually think I read the drivel you send me do you? You’re a clown and the only proper response to clowns is laughter. Unless of course your obsession with me is motivated by something else. In that case, I must tell you that I’m flattered but you’re really not my type.

2. I don’t know how else to tell that I’m just not attracted to you. You and I are never going to get together Robert. You should stick to men your own age and weight.

3. I told you. I’m into women not walruses.

4. Ok. Fine. I’ll think about it. But first you have to shave and lose some weight.

5. If I send you a picture will that satisfy your lust for a while?

Undeterred, it seems Spencer continued, and received this response:

Dear Mr. Spencer. This is Mr. Aslan’s assistant. You seem to be under the impression that Mr. Aslan is actually opening, reading, and responding to your emails. I assure you he is not. The email responses you are receiving are automated responses set to respond to your emails indefinitely. You can’t actually think he is interested in reading anything you have to say. Mr. Aslan is a world renowned, best selling scholar. There is nothing about you or your “work” that would interest him in the slightest. Still, we hope that you will keep up your writings about him. Not only does everything you say validate Mr. Aslan’s importance. But you are a source of immense amusement for our team. Thank you.

Roshi

Spencer actually posts these responses on his website, apparently proud he managed to get a response at all. Undeterred, he recently attempted once again to engage Aslan.

His latest onslaught was sparked by an interview with Sarah Harvard in DL Magazine. Spencer accused Aslan of being an “Islamic supremacist” who thinks Christianity teaches reincarnation:

ASLAN: It has to do with the symbolism and metaphors that Islam provides to think about God. All of that actually made more sense to me. When I think of God, I think about it in the terms of radical unity, which Islam talks about, and less in the terms of the trinity and reincarnation, which Christianity talks about. That’s it. My faith hasn’t changed. The language in which I use my faith has changed.

Reza Aslan responded to Spencer’s accusation on Twitter:

Twitter Aslan

In turn, Spencer described Aslan as an “immature, foul-mouthed creep,” and wrote [emphasis mine]:

Stung by my noticing that he thinks Christianity teaches reincarnation, Islamic supremacist Christianity-debunker Reza Aslan is claiming that it was just a typo and slinging his usual invective. Only an imbecile, apparently, would be fool enough to believe that Reza Aslan would be fool enough to believe that Christianity teaches reincarnation.

This is at least the second time Spencer has made this accusation, having devoted a previous article to the topic of Aslan’s alleged belief that Christianity teaches reincarnation.

Reza Aslan wrote an entire book devoted to the life and times of Jesus. If he believes that Christianity teaches reincarnation, it seems likely he would have said so in his book. A search on Kindle reveals his book mentions the word “reincarnation” only once, and the reference is not literal:

Malachi’s prophecy explains why the courtiers at Tiberias see in Jesus the reincarnation of Israel’s quintessential end-times prophet. Zealot, The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth, p.130

In contrast, the word “incarnation” is mentioned six times, on pages 12, 36, 105, 138, 170, and 213. In reference to the trinity, Aslan mentions the notion of Jesus as God “incarnate,” which in fact is a widespread Christian teaching:

The Incarnation in traditional Christianity is the belief that the second person of the Trinity, also known as God the Son or the Logos (Word), “became flesh” by being conceived in the womb of a woman, the Virgin Mary, also known as the Theotokos (God-bearer). The incarnation, then, is the God-Man ‘Jesus Christ’.

If Aslan really “thinks” Christianity teaches reincarnation, why did he neglect to mention this throughout his entire book? The word “incarnation” is clearly more consistent with his work. Still, could it be that Aslan is lying about the typo?

In fact, Reza Aslan was clearly vindicated when DL Magazine has posted a correction [emphasis mine]:

CORRECTION 12/29/13: The original published version of this interview stated that Reza Aslan rejected “reincarnation”. That is incorrect; he states that he rejected “incarnation”. DL Magazine regrets the transcribing error. Thank you.

Spencer also tried to take a swipe at Aslan’s best-selling book, Zealot, The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth. Rather than challenging the content, he suggested the book was ghost written because:

…so obvious is Aslan’s abysmal ignorance of the subject matter and only dim awareness of how to write a grammatically correct sentence.

Is that the best he can do? Instead of offering a substantive critique of Aslan’s work, Spencer has now devoted two articles to huffing and puffing about something spectacularly petty.

At the time of this writing, Spencer has not updated his article. If the past is any indication, he will not post a correction. He will let his false accusation stand, and when the mood strikes, he will no doubt challenge Aslan again–and invite another round of ridicule.

Related:

Exclusive Loonwatch Interview with Reza Aslan

Robert Spencer: “I have exactly the same credentials as [Reza] Aslan”; Oh, Really?

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    • Of course Spencer will attack Aslan the hardest, because his mere existence ruins the outrage machine he has carefully crafted and the caricature of all Muslims as extremist.

  • Tanveer Khan

    Gracias, Rights

Robert Spencer Discovers Chess Set Jihad

Islamized Chess

by Ilisha

In the widely used Staunton chess set, the king is topped with a Christian cross. At this years’s World Youth Chess Championship in the United Arab Emirates, a new design has been introduced. The Christian cross has been replaced by the Islamic crescent.

Robert Spencer is outraged. He has accused “Islamic Supremacists” or “forcing” non-Muslim children to play with the “Islamized” chess sets. The horror!

Judging from Spencer’s outrage, one might think European Christians invented chess, and the Muslims are trying to co-opt “their” game.

In fact, Chess was brought to Christian Europe by Muslims. 

The precise origins of chess are unknown, but the game is thought to have originated in ancient India or Central Asia, and from there, spread to Persia. When the Arabs conquered Persia, chess was taken up by the Muslim world and subsequently spread to Europe.

One of the world’s oldest chess sets was found in Afrasaib, near Samarkand in Uzbekistan. The set included a king, chariot, vizier, horse, elephant, and 2 soldiers.

The traditional Staunton chess set Robert Spencer is defending as sacred is actually the product of European “Christianization” of earlier designs.From

The original Indian and Islamic game was adapted to reflect medieval European society, so that the Indian war elephant was replaced with the figure of the bishop. The rooks biting their shields resemble the Viking berserkers of Norse myth, while the pose of the queens is derived from depictions of the grieving Virgin Mary. The pawns, lacking any human features, reflect the abstract pieces used in the Islamic version of the game.

Are Muslims reclaiming the game of chess in the Name of Islam? Of course not. Many cultures have influenced chess over its 1500 year history, and unless you’re a paranoid “counter jihadist,” there’s no reason to view those contributions as divisive or sinister.

World Youth Chess Championships in UAE using Islamized chess sets

Jihad Wartch

..The photo above of some of the chess sets being used in this year’s tournament in Al Ain are just the icing on the cake. Traditional chess kings have a cross on the top (a design that has been in use for centuries). But this year in the UAE, they’ve removed the cross and replaced it with an Islamic crescent. A veteran chess player tells me: “In my entire life playing chess I have never seen such a thing.”

Some of the children in this year’s tournament are being forced to use these sets: here are some photos from the actual playing hall with participants using the Islamized sets..

…As you will see, only some of the sets have this Islamic design — probably because few have been made as yet, and the organizers need thousands of sets for such a huge tournament. So the majority of sets under use are “normal” style. But even so, the Islamic supremacist implications of the new design are self-evident. This is not a big deal, but obviously it was to the Emiratis who went to so much trouble to alter the set. Why not leave it as it was? Was it because of Islam’s abhorrence of the cross?

UPDATE: The Islamized sets are in wide use…

Pamela Geller has cross posted Spencer’s article on her blog Atlas Shrugs, and added her own paranoid twist:

Robert Spencer has broken the story that in the UAE, the World Youth Chess Championships are listing Israeli players as from the country “FIDE” (World Chess Federation), and are using Islamized chess pieces (above). If the Jews win the tournament, there will be a worldwide terror alert! All free nations must go to Defcon 5 — expect embassies to burn and millions to march and call for death to the Jews. The magic Islamic chess pieces will have lost their mojo — Allah is not pleased. Allah may be akbar, but these chess pieces will have proved not to be.

Yes, Pam, climb onto your broom and head to the UAE. You and your minions must save the world from the Muslim rage that will no doubt follow if the “magic Islamic chess pieces” fail to defeat “the Jews.”

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    • The greenmantle

      I agree with you about the cheap sets but I think it was also an excuse for my sisters trying to cheat! Sir David

    • A Muslim Guy

      The rules are also different. No “check mate” is given. It’s all stealth attacks. And if your Caliph gets taken out, you’re still alive, because anyone of your opponent’s pieces can switch sides, because they were infiltrators to begin with!

    • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

      Merry Christmas to all those celebrating by the way!

    • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

      I’m convinced it’s India.

    • Reynardine

      I second that! And so that the holiday may be merrier for these guys, consider a potted rosemary:

    • Yitzchak Goodman

      Do you agree with this idea?

      That humor is an antidote to hate? Yes, of course. Chess piece designs and religious or anti-religious politics does constitute an interesting subject, however. There is something called the Dubrovnik Chess Set, originally made in Yugoslavia, which also has a cross-less King and a more abstract Bishop design that does not look so much like a mitre. The motivation for the design had something to do with Communism, I think, although, oddly enough, chess players loved them, and now they are collector’s items. Some departures from the standard Staunton design are not distracting. Those sets with Crescent-topped Kings don’t look like they would be hard to play with. As long as you can’t confuse the King and Queen, which is a drawback with some small cheap travel sets.

    • Tanveer Khan

      :O Why didn’t I think of that before?

    • mindy1

      heh that explains so much…

  • The greenmantle

    Welcome back Yitzchak! Your replacements on the Hasbara troll rota have been distinctly below par recently. Bonne Fête ! As you correctly summised I am not a serious chess player

America and Pakistan: A Love Story

Jackie O in Karachi

First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis perched on a Camel in Karachi, Pakistan, 1962

by Ilisha

It’s hard to imagine now, but there was a time when the president of Pakistan was warmly greeted by the US president, the first lady, and throngs of ordinary Americans, lined up in the streets to catch a glimpse and celebrate his arrival. It’s hard to imagine the Pakistani president being greeted with ticker tape parades in New York City, and standing ovations in Congress.

It’s even harder to imagine a US president referring to the Pakistani president as a “leader of the free world,” and the Pakistani president in turn reassuring the US president of the two countries’ warm and enduring friendship. And yet all of that happened, in 1961.

The footage of Pakistani President Muhammad Ayub Khan’s visit to America almost seems surreal, given the current state of affairs. Pakistan is still officially a US ally, but an unwitting observer could be forgiven for failing to notice.

It’s an understatement to say the optimistic prognosis for Pakistan as a thriving democracy has not panned out, nor has the admiration the new nation once engendered lasted. Pakistan is fraught with problems, and at least one poll positions it as one of the least popular countries in the world, ranking just below Israel and North Korea, one notch above Iran. Who could have imagined that outcome a half a century ago, when people in America and Pakistan seemed so optimistic?

What’s happened in the intervening decades would involve a long and complex discussion. But the implications with regard to Islamophobia are far more obvious.

It simply isn’t true that the West has always hated Muslims and Muslims have always hated the West, as some anti-Muslim bigots would have us believe.  The notion of an eternal Clash of Civilizations is reductionist and must be challenged.

Pakistan was no less Muslim, and the US no less Western, when President Ayub Khan came to America in 1961,

America Welcomes President Ayub Khan of Pakistan

Related: Message from Iran: Tell All Americans We Love Them

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    • Mehdi

      I don’t have too many ideas either, I think the first thing is to see how to get foreign interventions out of the country, especially the US with its drones, this is tied with finding a way to fix matters out in Afghanistan, I know, not easy.

      Another part is about trusting the society more and promoting democracy, the last elections are quite promising from that side, shows that there are alternatives. This would mean less corruption and more sound economical measures in the long run.

      But THE key thing for me is about finding peace with India, this is absolutely necessary, neither country can make it without the other, India and Pakistan need each other and have to end this rivalry madness, this is the key part for me. Making peace would create a real economical cooperation, open new perspectives and also significantly reduce the huge amounts of money spent on armies and unnecessary weapons. Both countries need real leaders and confident societies to make this happen.

    • Mehdi

      What’s sad is the extent to which Pakistan (but also many other countries) have been a victim of many destructive forces and circumstances: – The cold war and the way the US (and also China somewhat) used Pakistan as a proxy for conflicts such as for Afghanistan, then leaving when the soviets left the country.

      – The antagonism with India (where both sides have their share of blame) has led the country to a constant arms race that is very expensive and ruining to the economy, and led to dangerous alliances between the army, ISI intelligence services, and extremist forces. India has a huge responsibility in this madness, especially for Kashmir, but the army also chose to escalate the conflict to dangerous levels.

      – The country is held hostage by a fluctuating and informal alliance of forces that includes political parties (including the Bhutto family, or guys like Nawaz Sharif), the army (which is a strong economic actor), and fundamentalist groups (I’m not saying islamists :-)) – The usual suspects (IMF, world bank, etc.) have also shown up and played their usual routine

      The main loser has been the society, held hostage in the midst of growing violence, and huge economic failures. This is a huge tragedy!

    • Rights

      Aah, so incredibly nostalgic for me. Ayub had some charisma. During his time Pakistan showed pretty rapid economic development. It was also he who introduced the basic democracy, or BD, system in Pakistan. If memory serves, this was in 1961. There were a lot of elections happening during Ayub’s time. It did give people a sense of freedom, democracy, and empowerment. I think the man was sincere in making Pakistan a modern, prosperous nation. Of course by 1969 his rule had run its course. All through the 1960s a certain photograph of his, copied as paintings, appeared all over in Pakistan: General Muhammad Ayub Khan in his field marshal’s outfit adorned with the due insignia appeared on trucks, buses, walls, doors, flags, and even trees. It was a strange phenomenon. To this day one can find the same paintings on many trucks and buses in Pakistan.

      Thank you for posting the clip.

    • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

      Perhaps if the evil Soviet empire is resurrected and the Cold War resumes will another Pakistani president be received with such buoyant spirit.

      Views in Pakistan of the US, where 74% consider America the enemy would be greatly improved when and if the drone war/war on terror ever ends. http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2012/06/Pew-Global-Attitudes-Project-Pakistan-Report-FINAL-Wednesday-June-27-2012.pdf

      As for calling Ayub Khan the leader of the free world, I think that was rather absurd even for that time period. Leader of the free world in the sense that he wholeheartedly embraced the free market and capitalism.

      From what I’ve read he was however not very fond of democracy or its potential in Pakistanis, this led to some rather unfortunate consequences: a weak civil society, the eventual civil war between East and West Pakistan a few years after he was forced into resignation, etc.

    • mindy1

      We used to be friends, what happend?? :((

“Jewish” Pamela Geller’s “Christian” EDL ally rants about non-Christians being “pagans”

Robert Spencer – Kevin Carroll – Pamela Geller – Stephen Yaxley-Lennon – Stockholm August 2012

Original guest article by Jai

Readers will be aware that Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller’s main British allies are the English Defence League/British Freedom Party leadership. The EDL’s “second-in-command” is Kevin Carroll, who is also the BFP’s co-deputy leader. Along with EDL leader/BFP deputy leader Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka “Tommy Robinson”), Kevin Carroll was involved in hosting the anti-Muslim demonstration in Stockholm in August 2012 alongside Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, BFP leader Paul Weston, and European neo-Nazis.

Kevin Carroll at Pamela Geller’s “SION” anti-Muslim conference in New York

Along with Yaxley-Lennon, Kevin Carroll was also one of the main speakers at Geller’s anti-Muslim conference in New York on September 11th 2012, a fact that Geller has enthusiastically publicised on her “Atlas Shrugs” website. Other speakers included David Yerushalmi, who has represented Geller in various lawsuits. Kevin Carroll himself repeatedly made false claims about the current situation in the United Kingdom and continued his long-term behaviour pattern of hijacking Christianity. He previously attended Geller’s demonstration against the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” in New York in September 2010.

Kevin Carroll’s views on non-Christians

Ironically, in December 2010, Kevin Carroll wrote a number of very revealing comments on Facebook which were posted online on his behalf by Yaxley-Lennon’s PA Hel Gower (multiple screenshots here). In these comments:

1. Kevin Carroll ranted about executing “traitors”, ie. opponents of the EDL. 2. Kevin Carroll continued by ranting about Britain being “a Christian country not a multicultural one”, and he also explicitly described Christianity as “the fundamental culture” of Britain. 3. Kevin Carroll is clearly (mis)using “multicultural” to mean “multireligious” (and similarly, misusing “culture” to mean “religion”). 4. Kevin Carroll ranted about Britain being a Christian country absolutely everywhere. 5. Kevin Carroll explicitly described non-Christians as “pagans”. 6. Kevin Carroll ranted that he will never “bend or bow” to such “pagans”. 7. Apart from confirming the EDL/BFP leadership’s fanatical religious supremacism, Kevin Carroll’s statements also:

a) Confirm their extreme bigotry towards non-Christians in general, not just Muslims, including the various non-Christian groups the EDL/BFP leadership are cynically trying to court as allies against Muslims;

and b) Most revealing of all, Kevin Carroll’s bigoted statements about “pagans” also expose the EDL/BFP leadership’s real attitudes towards their American Jewish allies Pamela Geller, David Yerushalmi, and Robert Spencer’s “boss” David Horowitz.

It is currently unclear whether Geller, Yerushalmi and Horowitz are aware of what their main British allies actually think of them, or whether they are so utterly lacking in self-respect that they are happy to be formally allied with individuals who are on record as explicitly stating how much they despise non-Christians and regard them as “pagans”.

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    • Géji

      JSB, “or why you are so bothered by evidence that Israel is neither completely evil nor completely good.”

      You still not seeing? “Israel”, IS Palestine.

    • Just Stopping By

      @Géji: “JSB, lets drop it! clearly you don’t see Palestine.”

      I’m not sure what you mean. I support a fully independent state of Palestine and an independent state of Israel, the two-state solution. If you mean that I don’t support a one-state solution, that is true mostly because I don’t think that it would be successful but would devolve into a civil war in which people of many religions and ethnicities would die. I have no desire to support a plan that I think would increase the amount of bloodshed all around, though I respect those who think that such a plan would be successful.

      And, with the two-state solution, I do not think that either state should be ethnically pure, but that both should treat their minorities as full citizens with equal rights.

      I understand you may not support my position, but I don’t see why it bothers you so much, or why you are so bothered by evidence that Israel is neither completely evil nor completely good.

    • AJ

      @Géji,

      I think JSB sees Palestine.

      @JSB,

      If you are a certain poster with their first name beginning with S, I am positive you see Palestine.

      In any case, there is God and there will be justice, insh’Allah!

    • Géji

      JSB, lets drop it! clearly you don’t see Palestine. And I certainly never saw a “Jewish State” in Palestine.

  • Just Stopping By

    @Zakariya Ali Sher: “Also, has Pipes not gone on record claiming that there is ‘no such thing’ as moderate Islam or some such? I might be getting him confused with other Islamophobes.” Close. Here’s what he said at one point: “Moderate Muslims do exist. But, of course, they constitute a very small movement when compared to the Islamist onslaught.” http://www.danielpipes.org/4426/bolstering-moderate-muslims

    @Géji: I brought Danios’ statement into this because I wanted to show that some of Pipes’ statements are pretty much the same as those of people you may admire. However, as I said above, Pipes also makes outlandish statements that essentially say that no Muslim is to be trusted in the US government, and Danios has absolutely never (to my knowledge) made any type of analogous statement. The question I originally addressed dealt with how Pipes can maintain some degree of connection with the mainstream Jewish community, and the answer is that he has a lot of reasonable-sounding material that he can use to claim that he is moderate; only when people investigate him do they find the bigoted material.

    “tell me, what are the difference & similarities of between current regimes leading the ‘Jewish state’ vs that of Gaza?” Israel has growing Christian and Muslim minorities. All Jews were expelled or fled from Gaza around 1949 (they of course came back as settlers but left again recently), and the Christian population in Gaza is shrinking dramatically. The charter of Hamas, the elected leadership in Gaza says, “For our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave,” while Israel’s Declaration of Independence says, “we yet call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to return to the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the State, with full and equal citizenship and due representation in its bodies and institutions – provisional or permanent.” I certainly won’t say that Israel has fully lived up to those statements in how it treats its citizens (to say nothing of how it treats non-citizens in the West Bank and Gaza), nor would I deny the racism in Israel, but it also has affirmative action programs to increase educational and workforce attainment by what is called “the Arab sector” and has had or still has Arabs in positions such as government minister, ambassador, military general, and Supreme Court justice. Also, it may be the only “Western” country that pays Islamic courts to administer rulings according to shariah.

Breaking: Pastor Nadarkhani Released, Aquitted of Apostasy

Pastor Nadarkhani

We’ve been following the plight of jailed Iranian Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani, who’s been held on charges of apostasy and Christian evangelizing for more than 1,000 days. At last, he has been released. (H/T: Sarah Brown)

Iran Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani Acquitted of Apostasy, Released From Jail

By Lillian KwonChristian Post Reporter

Youcef Nadarkhani, the Iranian pastor who captured the hearts of millions as he stood firm in his faith while facing execution, has been acquitted of apostasy.

Two organizations that have closely been monitoring the case and have sources in Iran reported Saturday that Nadarkhani, who went on trial early Saturday, has been released from prison and is at home with his family.

“Thank you to everyone that has supported me with your prayers,” Nadarkhani said, according to Present Truth Ministries.

Though acquitted of apostasy, the Iranian pastor was found guilty of evangelizing Muslims. He was sentenced to three years imprisonment but was released because he already served this time.

“We give thanks to God for His deliverance and the answer to our prayers,” Jason DeMars, founder of Present Truth Ministries, said in a statement.

Christian Solidarity Worldwide also confirmed the pastor’s release.

“We commend the Iranian judiciary for this step, which is a triumph for justice and the rule of law,” said CSW Chief Executive Mervyn Thomas. “While we rejoice at this wonderful news, we do not forget hundreds of others who are harassed or unjustly detained on account of their faith, and CSW is committed to continue campaigning until all of Iran’s religious minorities are able to enjoy religious freedom as guaranteed under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which Iran is party.”

Nadarkhani, pastor in a network of house churches, was arrested on Oct. 13, 2009, after protesting the government’s decision to force all children, including his own Christian children, to read the Quran.

He was initially charged for protesting but the charges were later changed to apostasy and evangelism to Muslims. In 2010, he was sentenced to death and the ruling was upheld by the Supreme Court of Iran last year.

According to [some interpretations of] Islamic Sharia Law, an apostate has three days to recant. The Christian pastor had refused to recant his faith.

Christians around the world have prayed and appealed for Nadarkhani’s release. A Twitter campaign advocating for his freedom reached more than 3 million.

Related stories:

Message to Iran: Free Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani

Jailed Iranian Pastor Decries “Insulting Words” Against Islam

Iran:

Message from Iran: Tell All Americans We Love Them

Israelis ♥ Iran: A Message of Love and Peace

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    • Common Sense

      @yourKinFolk

      Many of those “Islamic” countries invent things, and these apostasy laws are just one of these nonsense ideologies which they claim to be Islamic.

    • yourKinFolk

      im not a muslim, im more like a free lance monotheist, but i have been studying the quran and hadith literature for 5 year now, just as i have been studying christian and jewish scripture as well as many eastern religious scriptures…. i have yet to see any saying in the quran, in the 15 translations that i have on my shelf, or in my sahih bukhari or muslim hadith collections, that justify any kind of legal/physical penalty for apostates… every time i think i may see one, i see that its not apostasy per se, but treason against the state that required a death penalty… like, if a former muslim defected and went to the meccans to tell military secrets etc.. etc… and for most of those cases there was forgiveness on the part of mohammad where no penalty was ascribed…. where do these countries with apostasy laws get their precedent from if its not in the quran or sunnah? where did the major madhabs get them from?

    • Nilufer R. Sage

      And somehow, I’m imaging Resident Evil/Biohazard with Eeyore in place of Zombies and Tranquilizer Guns filled with Prozac…

    • Wanderer

      Ilisha?!

      “resident Eeyore” :’D I think that one is going to stick.

    • Steve

      @Ilisha, he served 3 years for a victimless “crime” – that is not something iran should be congratulated for

    • It’s wonderful news that he has finally been released, and like everyone else, I agree he never should’ve been arrested in the first place. As seen in Pakistan and Iran, these laws against so-called “apostates” are just ridiculous. Even more so that they’re are done in the name of Islam when the Quran teaches us that Christians are our brothers in faith. The hypocrisy of such laws are obvious, I only hope more people in the countries which they exist will voice against them.

    • Steve

      @Ilisha, my comments aren’t bitter. I am querying the people who are congratulating iran. He should never have been arrested in the first place and his life threatened. In the end they decided to sentence him to three years in prison for “evangelizing Muslims” – a patently ridiculous “crime”. He served his sentence and was released. We should be condemning iran not congratulating them. It is entirely positive he has been released but that shouldn’t reflect any glory on to iran.

    • AJ

      @khushboo,

      “Fox News will never be happy with whatever Iran does.”

      There is a current need to evil-ize the Iranians and build up a case to attack them…this takes away from it.

    • Steve

      @Crow “Good for Iran”

      Yeah well done Iran, he only served a 3 year sentence for “evangelizing Muslims” while all the time he will have been in fear of his life. Well done Iran, very tolerant, no fuel for islamophobes there at all.

    • Crow

      Good for Iran. Ive actually seen Islamaphobes claiming this man had already been excecuted (Islamaphobes are demon inspired liars) and liar pork, you fool nobody by pretending to be a christian.

    • Steve

      It’s good he has been released but he shouldn’t have been arrested in the first place.

      “the Iranian pastor was found guilty of evangelizing Muslims”

      Pathetic.

    • Khalid

      Apart from some assanine remarks left by Lord “plug-it-up-with-a-cork”, I am extremely delighted at this mans release.

    • Sarah Brown

      khushboo – I don’t see why one should be especially happy with what Iran does – of course acknowledge that it’s wholly positive he is free, and that Iran could have acted worse, but he still got three years for evangelising even if he had served that time already. I also think – given the whole Iran/US/Israel nexus – it is not unreasonable to speculate about any possible relationship between this decision and any wider diplomatic processes.

    • Christian-friend

      “one small step for a family, one giant leap for Iran.”

    • khushboo

      Fox News will never be happy with whatever Iran does. Now they’re wondering about their motivation behind releasing this poor man.

    • Nevermore

      “If the Muslim countries put restrictions on other faiths then they should be give similar treatment without reservatins.”

      Y’know…

      “Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

      But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.” – Matthew 5:38-39

      Not very Christ-like of you, now is it?

      Glad to see that the pastor is ok, though; he should be free to believe what he wants. Crap like this doesn’t make fighting morons like Spencer and his ilk any easier. The world is a pretty shitty place, but it’s nice to know that sometimes good does in fact win.

    • Robert4

      @Lord Pork — Great parody troll persona!

    • Haddock

      @Lord Dork: “If the Muslim countries put restrictions on other faiths then they should be give similar treatment without reservatins.What ever is good for the GOOSE,is also good for the GANDER.”

      Ahhh….So, according to your “logic”, if the United States routinely bombs other countries, then those countries have the right to do the same to the United States?

  • mindy1

    What a relief, glad he is free

The Muslim Brotherhood: Crucifixion or Just Plain Fiction?

Crucifixion

Lurid tales of the Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood allegedly “crucifying” President Mohammed Morsi’s political opponents has gone viral all across the looniverse, but skepticism seems to have surfaced in an unlikely place.

The American Thinker is not generally friendly to Muslims, and articles from notorious loons like Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer routinely “grace” its pages, as evidenced by their respective archives here and here. Yet, despite the ridiculous assertion that rabid anti-Muslim bigot and serial fabricator Raymond Ibraham is “usually reliable,” the American Thinker indulged in a bit of fact checking and concluded the tale of crucifixion is, “at best, an exaggeration, and at worst, a hoax.

At the time of this writing, Google searching the phrase, “Muslim Brotherhood crucifixion” in quotes yields 341,000 results. Despite this bout of  “lone wolf” fact checking by the American Thinker, this fabricated tale will no doubt be recycled endlessly, masquerading as “proof” of alleged Muslim depravity for months, or even years, to come.

Is the Muslim Brotherhood crucifying opponents of Morsi?

by Rick Moran, American Thinker

This story is hard to believe but comes to us from multiple sources, including the usually reliable Ray Ibrahim. The problem is that the original report is from the Arab media. And while Ray, no doubt, faithfully translated the stories, there is no reliable source that could confirm the substance of the report.

However, it certainly is not beyond imagining that Salafists allied with the Muslim Brotherhood could have carried out such a barbaric act.

Ibrahim reports:

Last week in Egypt, when Muslim Brotherhood supporters terrorized the secular media, several Arabic websites-including Arab NewsAl Khabar NewsDostor Watany, and Egypt Now-reported that people were being “crucified.” The relevant excerpt follows in translation:

A Sky News Arabic correspondent in Cairo confirmed that protestors belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood crucified those opposing Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi naked on trees in front of the presidential palace while abusing others. Likewise, Muslim Brotherhood supporters locked the doors of the media production facilities of 6-October [a major media region in Cairo], where they proceeded to attack several popular journalists.

That there were attacks and violence-both in front of Egypt’s presidential palace and at major media facilities, is well-documented. An August 9 report by El Balad, a widely read Egyptian website, gives the details:

Last Wednesday, August 8, “thousands of the Muslim Brotherhood’s supporters” attacked 6-October’s media facilities, beat Khaled Salah-chief editor of the privately-owned and secular Youm 7 newspaper-prevented Yusif al-Hassani, an On TV broadcaster, from entering the building, and generally “terrorized the employees.”

El Balad adds that the supporters of Tawfik Okasha, another vocal critic of President Morsi-the one who widely disseminated the graphic video of a Muslim apostate being slaughtered to cries of “Allahu Akbar”-gathered around the presidential palace, only to be surrounded by Brotherhood supporters, who “attacked them with sticks, knives, and Molotov cocktails, crucifying some of them on trees, leading to the deaths of two and the wounding of dozens.”

“Crucified in front of the presidential palace?” One would imagine that something so barbaric done so openly would catch the attention of at least some western news outlets. Or even al-Jazeera, who would almost certainly report such an atrocity. They can’t all want to cover up for the Brotherhood. A story like this is just too juicy to pass up in the name of political correctness or ideology.

A check of the Sky News website shows no story about crucifixions.. In fact, there is no time or date of the crucifixions reported by Ray at all.

These are all red flags that makes me think that this widely disseminated story is, at best, an exaggeration, and at worst, a hoax…

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    • Brad Haggard

      @Lawrence: Read the first line of the story. There may be a translation issue, I just don’t know, though.

    • Lawrence of America

      @Brad Haggar “Opposition (groups) march on the presidential palace.”

    • Lawrence of America

      This is the kind of story you get from a Taxi driver in alexandria..or any arab city for that matter.

    • @Ilisha

      I’m aware that stuff like this has happened before. I guess I just felt the way I did because its so contrary to what we should expect.

    • Abbey

      Anything anti-islam catches on fire whether it’s fact or fiction, fiction on this occasion.

    • Ali

      I am thinking this may be a tactic of some Arabic news sites to publish fake stories depicting Muslims/Islam in bad light so that the Islamophobes take the bait and run these stories endlessly only to be fooled later. This eventually will result in loss of credibility as their readers continue to feel like they are being made fools.

    • Christian-friend

      A Pakistani Christian girl has been accused of blasphemy for accident burning a Quran.

    • Garibaldi

      Raymond Ibrahim, the known forger and liar…crazy, how the Right will pick up on any story to enhance their victimhood complex as well as demonize Muslims and Islam.

  • mindy1

    If they doubt it, I wonder who believes it

Sodomy for Jihad or Islamophobic Hoax?

Sodomy for Suicide

The Sodomy for Jihad hoax is making rounds all across the looniverse, on hate sites like Jihad Watch, Frontpage Magazine, and Winds of Jihad. Canada’s right wing Sun News also published the story and featured commentary from the ubiquitous native informant, Tarek Fatah.

The story even made its way onto an well-known U.S. based national gay and lesbian news magazine before it was debunked by the Electronic Intifada.

Sodomy for jihad? Venerable LGBT magazine The Advocate spreads vile Islamophobic hoax

by Benjamin Doherty

Screenshot from The Advocate article The Religious Exemption: Sodomy for Suicide Bombers that shows a photo collage with an erroneous caption.

Note: This post contains a translation of a sexually explicit and defamatory joke targeting Muslims

The Advocate, an important US-based national gay and lesbian news magazine, has published a homophobic, racist, sectarian and Islamophobic hoax as if it is actual news.

An article headlined “The Religious Exemption: Sodomy for Suicide Bombers” by Advocate.com editor Lucas Grindley published 12 July 2012 makes the following astonishing claim:

Suicide bombers were allowed to ask fellow militants for anal sex so it would be easier to hide explosives in their rectums — at least according to a researcher at a conservative think tank.

Raymond Ibrahim, a fellow at the conservative David Horowitz Freedom Center, said he’s found a 2010 Arab news video in which a Muslim cleric is caught explaining why sodomy is permissible if part of “martyrdom operations.”

“Is it permissible for me to let one of the jihadi brothers sodomize me to widen my anus if the intention is good?” someone asks cleric Abu al-Dema al-Qasab, according to Ibrahim’s account.

Although the cleric reminds everyone that sodomy is forbidden, he offers an exception.

“Jihad comes first,” he said, according to Ibrahim’s translation, “for it is the pinnacle of Islam, and if the pinnacle of Islam can only be achieved through sodomy, then there is no wrong in it.”

Origins of a Hoax

This claim reported by The Advocate is pure nonsense. It is a hoax purveyed by someone affiliated with the David Horowitz Freedom Center, an extreme right-wing organization whose founder and namesake is well-known for uncivil and racist attacks on liberal, progressive and leftist political groups.

The Advocate’s source is Raymond Ibrahim, a fellow at the Horowitz Center and at the Middle East Forum, who claimed that the religious directive was contained in a “2010 Arabic news video that aired on Fadak TV” and was advice given to Abdullah Hassan al-Asiri, who blew himself up in an attempt to assassinate Saudi Prince Muhammad bin Nayif in 2009. Some press reports stated that al-Asiri had carried explosives in his rectum.

In his post on the Gatestone Institute, Ibrahim elaborates:

Apparently a cleric, one Abu al-Dema al-Qasab, informed al-Asiri and other jihadis of an “innovative and unprecedented way to execute martyrdom operations: place explosive capsules in your anus. However, to undertake this jihadi approach you must agree to be sodomized for a while to widen your anus so it can hold the explosives.”

This is the video he’s writing about.

To a non-Arabic speaker, it would be reasonable to believe that the person speaking in the video is “Abu al-Dema al-Qasab” because Ibrahim does not give any context to the video. Apparently The Advocate believed this, because it posted a screenshot of the man from the video next to a photo of al-Asiri with the following caption:

Cleric Abu al-Dema al-Qasab (left) reportedly said suicide bombers like Abdullah Hassan al-Asiri (right), who hid explosives in his rectum, were allowed anal sex.

However, the person in the video is Abdallah al-Khallaf, host of “The morals of the Prophets, Peace Be Upon Them,” a show broadcast on UK-based satellite channel Fadak TV whose target audience is Shia Muslims.

In the video, al-Khallaf tells the audience that he is going to read an item from a website called “Muntadayat Usud al-Sunna” (Lions of the Sunnah forums).

Al-Khallaf reads the item from the website as if it is real. He also characterizes the alleged protagonists as “Wahhabis.” It appears his intention is to incite his audience’s disgust at the supposed thinking and behavior of Wahhabi Sunni Muslims who, he suggests, will justify anything in pursuit of their goals.

“one Abu al-Dema al-Qasab”

I found the likely source that Abdallah al-Khallaf reads in the video. The Internet Archive includes a forum post from 28 August 2009 on montdiatna.com.

The text appears to be at best an extremely vulgar joke and at worst sectarian defamation. It is written in a style commonly used for stories in which both the teller and listener know it is a joke or fiction.

The Electronic Intifada has translated this text into English. Please be warned that it contains very explicit language and imagery:

It is said that the terrorist who blew himself up in an attempt to assassinate Prince Muhammad bin Nayif inserted capsules of explosives in his anus like suppositories.

It is said – only God knows – that before he acted, the terrorist asked a sheikh, that he intends to insert explosive capsules in his rectum, seeking jihad, in order to carry out jihad operations, in desire for virgins.

The terrorist asked the sheikh the question in the following way: Our Sheikh, May God give you martrydom and virgins in paradise. I want to carry out a martrydom operation and so I presented myself to “Sheikh Bloody Butcher” [Sheikh Abu al-Dema al-Qasab].

He told me we devised a completely new and unprecedented way for martyrdom operations and that is to put explosives in your rectum. And in order to train you for this method of jihad you must agree to be sodomized for a period in order that your anus will be widened such that your rectum can take the explosives.

And my question, God have mercy on you: Is it permitted to offer my anus to one of the mujahidin brothers if the intention is pure and the goal is to train for jihad, and to widen my rectum?

And the sheikh offered praise to God and said: In principle sodomy is forbidden and out of the question. Except that jihad comes first, it is the pinnacle of Islam. And if the pinnacle of Islam cannot be achieved except through sodomy then there is no wrong in it.

The jurisprudential rule says: necessity overcomes what is forbidden. And if the only way to carry out a duty is with a certain thing, then that thing becomes a duty, and there is no greater duty than jihad.

After you are sodomized you must ask forgiveness from God and praise him abundantly and you must be certain my son that on Judgment Day, God rewards the mujahidin according to their intentions, and your intention, God willing is the victory of Islam.

This text, or versions with slight variations, can be found on several other websites by searching for the name “Sheikh Abu al-Dema al-Qasab” in Arabic.

Several features identify this story as a tasteless joke, especially the name “Sheikh Abu al-Dema al-Qasab.” It translates to Sheikh Bloody Butcher. This is not a real person. The post is peppered with phrases like “it is said” and “only God knows” which indicate storytelling.

The Advocate’s ongoing Islamophobic crusade

The Advocate was a cornerstone of the LGBT civil rights movement, providing serious journalism and analysis since 1967 for a community that suffered discrimination and even violence as it struggled for legitimacy and recognition…

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    • As-salaamu ‘aleykum, I’m from the future (2014 to be exact). I can attest that you are correct; this story is still making its rounds. Though the actors have changed, the script is the same. Tellingly, no-one can seem to produce the text of the fatwa in this latest version of the hoax.

    • Spartacus

      @CriticalDragon1177

      “Let me get this straight. So you expect me to believe that there are absolutely no tolerance for homosexuality in the UK Christian community as well?”

      There is measurable structural homophobia from all the major UK Christian institutions, including Anglicanism and Catholicism. A non-homophobic Christian belonging to those organisations should be treated like a stated “non-racist” who joins Stormfront.

      If you join or support an organisation that perpetuates homophobia you are perpetuating homophobia even if you claim to “disagree” with homophobia.

    • Isma’il Marshall

      This is an example of non-Muslims taking something at face value because they’re not aware of the sort of vulgar insult and joke telling that goes down in sectarian polemics between Sunnis and Shi’ah. I have seen with my own eyes countless instances of Sunnis and Shi’is producing made-up fatwas and reports to accuse the other group of approving of homosexuality, bestiality, necrophilia, and all sorts of other things. It’s extremely common on sectarian forums, and this is just an example of someone on a Shi’ah TV station sharing one of these obscene stories. Any Muslim or non-Muslim with any familiarity with sectarian rhetoric would immediately recognize that.

    • @Spartacus

      Let me get this straight. So you expect me to believe that there are absolutely no tolerance for homosexuality in the UK Christian community as well? How do you explain the existence of openly gay Christians and Muslims, and not to mention Christians and Muslims who openly support gay rights, including in the UK? Also how do you explain the studies in thoses stories that Ilisha linked to?

    • Spartacus

      That study was cited was published in the Guardian.

      Also, from the counter-study showed similar levels of homophobia to the Christian community – a community that has driven homophobia, opposed gay rights and marriage, and which creates a toxic atmosphere for gay people.

    • RDS

      So basically.

      -Satire was posted on a Wahhabi forum to poke fun at themselves, albeit a bit tasteless.

      -Satire was picked up by a Shia cleric to tell others that the Wahhabis are batsh*t insane to even consider that.

      -Satire is then picked up as news by Raymond Ibrahim et al., who obviously missed the intent and the paper trail.

      -Satire is then repeated as truth.

      This is like Onion News all over again!

    • @Ilisha

      I read about that “study” Spartacus sited, I knew it had to be false, immediately after I saw it. Even ignoring everything else, including the fact that its an extraordinary claim and the fact that I’ve heard about openly gay Muslims, even through I don’t know any personally. The thing I want to know is how did they bias that “study” so they got that result, assuming the people who first reported didn’t outright lie?

    • Spartacus

      This is a “vile” Islamophobic hoax when homophobia is rare within Islam rather than the norm.

      For example, UK Muslims have a “zero tolerance” view of homosexuality (500 British Muslims were interviewed, not one found homosexuality to be “morally acceptable” (Google for the 2009 poll).

      These attitudes, be they Islamic or Christian, their prevalence – both mainstream and community – create and perpetuate a malevolent environment for homosexuality.

      I see nothing wrong in documenting, and attacking, including satirising, the Catholic and evangelical Christian teachings about homosexuality and the malevolence their adherents can generate.

      And I see nothing wrong in extending that into the provably, measurably, murderously homophobic Islamic sects.

    • Of course it’s a hoax. All western closet army queens f.i. know that one does not need a buddy or sarge to get used to anal penetration. A set of dildos in increasing formats will do. Maybe the terrorists will be so amazed by the discovery that inside they have a clitoris too that they’ll forget all about the suicide plans?

    • corey

      Nassirh lets not forget that reymond ibrihim is the same idiot who came up with one of the most retarded articles from jw on how muslims with beards could be more dangerous then those without one http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/09/raymond-ibrahim-why-the-muslim-beard-bodes-trouble.html its like this guy loves coming up with idiotic bullshit to get people supportive of reducing muslims to second class citizens which would pretty much get bigots like sheik his mommy, morons at bni, geller and spencer to break out the champagne and declare it a “victory for human rights”

    • Nassir H.

      The fact that man in the video makes a crude joke against terrorists belies several common Islamophobic talking points. The mistranslation and spread of this video is more indicative of how dishonest “counterjihadists” are than anything else.

    • Nassir H.

      This blatantly fabricated story is still going to find its way around Islamophobic sites for years to come. Perhaps, like desensitized porn addicts, Islamophobes will need increasingly new and shocking material to satisfy their “hobby.” Thus, their “pornographers” (in this case, Raymond Ibrahim) will try to supply new material.

      Of course, you can’t really expect much from someone like Ibrahim. Apparently he couldn’t even keep his job as a librarian because of his bigotry. This isn’t the first time he has mistranslated Arabic and it certainly won’t be the last.

  • Dawood

    The content of the joke/tale and the duplicity involved in this are both disgusting!

    And what makes matters worse is that even the name “Shaykh Abu al-Dama’ al-Qasab”, or “the Bloody Butcher”, is instantly recognisable to anyone with Arabic ability as a play on words and entirely fake name. The fact that Raymond Ibrahim – who has been touted for his Arabic knowledge etc. previously by the Islamophobesphere – did not make that clear, shows his ulterior motives.

    It’s almost as bad as believing that Juha is a “Mullah” because the South Asian Muslims know him as Mulla Nasruddin!

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