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Loony Pamela Geller: Petraeus Resignation Is an Obama Plot to Put a Muslim in Charge of the CIA

Typical Geller hysteria. This is what we can expect over the next four years, more of the same. (h/t:CriticalDragon):

Loony Pamela Geller: Petraeus Resignation Is an Obama Plot to Put a Muslim in Charge of the CIA

by Charles Johnson (LGF)

The right wing universe is now in full-bore conspiracy theory mode over the resignation of CIA Director David Petraeus, just as I predicted. It’s a case study in the conservative movement’s decline into bad craziness; they’re all muttering darkly about cover-ups and hidden connections and “questioning the timing.”

One of the most brain-dead of the wingnuts, loony hateblogger Pamela Geller, has a typical post on the subject; for her it’s all part of the Islamic supremacist stealth shariah takeover of America, of course:


I do not believe it was the real reason was [sic] an extramarital affair. I believe it was Benghazi. He refused to be the fall guy. When did an affair ever stop a Democrat. If anything….

Perhaps one of Obama’s many Muslim Brotherhood advisors are on the shortlist to replace him.

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    • Leftwing_Muslim_Alliance

      I have checked your security clearance and it appears that you do have authorisation to be told the truth .

      As you know we have agents all over the world under deep cover secretly working for the worldwide take over . Such as president Obama who was really born in New York Harlem , we just made it look like he was born on a remote island to make people look stupid and boy did that one work out well.

      I can reveal exclusively to you ,so dont tell anyone, that we have people under Deeeeep Deeep cover as well . Pam “MacBeth” Geller started out as a Tunisian Bordello owner who found religion and decided to dedicate her life to the cause many years ago . Would you believe she is 72 and a half! Her role is to make so many comments and ideas that are obviously the product of someone bonkers so that our real plots are able to sneak in un noticed I think its working well .Dont you agree ?

      Sir David

    • Kirook

      The woman described in this article is the problem, along with others like her.. She is foiling our Stealth Jihad, and we’ve been doing an admirable job concealing it, so much so that almost all of ” ‘Merica” is hoodwinked. But not Pam Geller. The only way she could have avoided our Muslamic Brainwashing is with inside help!

    • Leftwing_Muslim_Alliance

      Hello European director of Stealth Jihad here, What appears to be the problem?

      Sir David

    • Kirook

      To elaborate: no, you’re not automatically an Islamophobe if you criticize Islam so long as you do it in civil discourse, with an open mind, accepting other people’s points if they’re correct and rebutting them if not.

    • Kirook

      Brain? What brain?

    • Kirook

      This should probably go to the director of Stealth Jihad, but someone in the Upper Echelon allowed Pamela Geller to foil our creeping sharia plot! They must be punished.

    • Pamela

      CIA should hire Pamela. Her looks can kill . She is a seductress , Goddess Sedusa . Heil Pamela

    • Mideast Pete

      In response to my posting, Ilisha says “Even I can see his originating IP and approximate the location. Why does he appear to be comfortable posting derogatory comments about his host country on a public forum, if it’s so oppressive?

      Bravery? Stupidity? Onion router?”

      Firstly I have no idea what an Onion Router is. Also how was I being derogator about my host country ? I very much love living in my host country and in many ways it is better than my home country. I have spent most of my working life in the MENA region. But as I am sure you are aware, compared to Europe or the US, in most of the Middle East you have to keep your opinion on certain topics out of the public domain. Even mild criticism of the religion or rulers or the system can lead to jail. Last week a national was sentenced to jail for a mild tweet comment on one of the ruling family.

    • Nevermore

      “So where did she say it was an Obama Plot ? And you accuse Jihad Watch of sensationalising stories”

      Yeah, it was sensationalism. Ilisha’s quote pretty much proves that that’s what she was suggesting, even if it wasn’t typed out. Unsurprisingly, rather than following Occam’s Razor (the simplest solution is often the correct one), she goes for the most unprovable, pandering-to-her-base commentary she can think up. Business as usual, in other words.

      “I live in a country where if you publicly critise Islam you will spend a long time in Jail if you are not first beaten to death by a crazed mob.”

      I’ve yet to see one person here on Loon Watch who’s a Muslim, or sympathetic to Muslims, say that people should be tossed in jail or hurt (or worse) for criticizing Islam; if such types DO come around, then Ilisha obviously ignores their comments. The implication that we would support such activity is, quite frankly, ridiculous. It’s also irrelevant to the topic at hand.

    • Just Stopping By

      @Sarah Brown: I take your last comment as meaning that there is a minimum of one incredibly brilliant, witty, and, of course, humble, poster at HP in addition to yourself.

      Anyway, if there is a debate, I actually want to see the topic before I decide which side to take or which group to join. Also, if there are good arguments made by the side I am not initially on, I might even switch sides! I guess I’m not much of a team player.

  • Sarah Brown

    Very much agree with you about the comments, JSB. ‘Vile bigot’ seems quite adequate. I hope it won’t freak you out if I let you know that I asked an HP friend of mine, quite seriously, if he was posting here using the name ‘Just Stopping By’ as you seemed so similar

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer Raise Funds for EDL Leader’s Legal Defence

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are raising money for head EDL boss Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson) who was arrested for using a false passport to enter the USA and attend Geller’s anti-Muslim rally on 9/11.

Geller and Spencer are both raising funds for Yaxley-Lennon, and involvement in the conspiracy to illegally bring Yaxley-Lennon over may includeNew York State Senator David Storbin. (h/t: Jai)

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer Raise Funds for EDL Leader’s Legal Defence

(Barth’s Notes)

Pamela Geller writes about the plight of English Defence League leader Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka “Tommy Robinson”), who was recently arrested:

Many of you have responded to my article “Darkness Descending in England” by asking how to help. Legal funds are badly needed. Tommy’s situation in prison is terrible, and they urgently need to raise funds to pay lawyers to address this situation and provide him with the best possible legal defense.

Donations to Tommy’s legal fund can be made online via the EDL website here. Please, do it. SION as well as AFDI are contributing, in addition to all of the other work we are doing, This is a priority. Robinson and Kevin Carroll are part of our international team, members of SION’s President’s council, key players in the worldwide struggle for freedom.

Demand equal treatment for Tommy Robinson rather than sharia inspired victimisation!

Robert Spencer, as ever, is providing the chorus, with a piece entitled “Urgent: Help defend Tommy Robinson from a monstrously unjust leviathan state apparatus”.

Carroll and Robinson attended an anti-Islam conference organised by Geller in New York on 11 September; Carroll memorably waved around British tabloid newspapers bearing headlines about Christianity in the UK. Robinson’s presence was curious; as the anti-EDL site EDL News noted:

…in September 2010, Robinson travelled over to the United States to attend a 9/11 event with other far right extremists. Upon arrival he was detained at John F Kenedy airport for several hours, refused entry and was then deported. No doubt due to his links with the far right and his lenghty criminal record, which has increased significantly since then with a spell on remand in the UK, a conviction for assault and three days inside a Swiss prison for a rooftop protest that went wrong.

One explanation is someone in high places has pulled strings for Robinson to enter the country. Robinson claimed on Twitter last night that he was sat next to New York State Senator David Storobin.

Now, however, it has been reported that

He tried to use a passport in the name of “Andrew McMaster” to enter the United States on September 10 this year, Southwark Crown Court heard.

Of course, at this moment in time the claim is just an allegation, and we should not infer guilt ahead of legal action. However, it is difficult to see in the arrest evidence of “sharia inspired victimisation”. It has also been noted that Robinson sent a Tweet to Geller on 10 Oct, asking for her phone number and adding ”Think there will be some activity this week about my trip to the usa”.

Robinson has also mentioned another allegation:

Arrested on suspicion of assault on Sayful Islam yest in B.Park? U can’t make this up. He still not been arrested for assaulting me on tv?

I blogged on Islam’s assault on Robinson (a slap through a car window) here. It should be remembered that Robinson is reluctant to involve the police in such matters.

A second element in the story is the arrest of 53 EDL members on a motorway soon afterwards; according to the BBC:

The men were heading to a location in east London, but police have not revealed where they were due to gather.

All 53 were arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to cause public nuisance, the Metropolitan Police said.

Geller wrote:

The arrest of over 53 people in the United Kingdom is the beginning of the end for once-great Britain. The leaders of the English Defence League (EDL), Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll, were among those arrested, as well as Paul Weston of the British Freedom Party (BF).

…According to Carroll, Robinson was incarcerated for leaving the United Kingdom and entering the United States fraudulently for our September 11, 2012 Stop Islamization of Nations free speech conference in New York City.

…This is a defining moment in British history, as significant as any major turning point. It is in many respects like the Night of the Long Knives, which marked the point of no return from Nazism for Germany.

Geller’s historical parallel means that she’s comparing the EDL to the Brownshirts, although presumably this is unintentional. Carroll was arrested separately, while Weston was later arrested for breach of the peace while “demanding” information about Robinson at Wormwood Scrubs prison in west London. This turned out to be the wrong location; Robinson was in fact at Wandsworth.

Up until the middle of last year, Geller and Spencer were wary of association with EDL; the alliance was finally cemented in June. Having invested so heavily in the organisation, they have no other option than to continue aggressively to assert a narrative of political persecution; but one wonders if privately they have reservations. The video below, uploaded by “MrlaughingattheEDL” and expanded upon by EDL News, suggests there is good reason for them to be cautious.

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    • Fred


      ‘Every one who opposes Islam is called a fascist’

      No, it’s just those like Spencer, Geller, the EDL and affiliates who are intolerant and hate-filled against people of a particular other faith.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 5:32)

    Jai said “Draw your own conclusions about Pamela Geller, considering her continuing actions. Geller has either been tricked by her closest American & British allies, or she is completely lacking in self-respect, or her self-proclaimed “Jewish” identity is fake”

    I vote for all of the above

Michigan City: Judge Bans Pamela Geller’s anti-Muslim Ads

Sounds like a lot of legal minutia that could have gone either way. At the end of the day I don’t think it would be a big issue if Pamela Geller‘s ads about “Leaving Islam” were to go up. I find her racist Ayn Rand “Savages” ad more problematic and likely to be rejected.

Of course Geller is going bonkers over the issue, framing it as “Shariah law” submission and the whole lot, when it has to do with technical legalese rather than any impending “dhimmi” capitulation to “Islamization.” But what do you expect?:

Michigan City Bans Anti-Islam Bus Ads

(Opposing Views)

CINCINNATI (CN) – The public transit authority in southeastern Michigan has the right to ban advertisements that it deems political for targeting Islam, the 6th Circuit ruled.

Though a federal judge in Detroit had previously granted the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) an injunction, a three-judge appellate panel upheld the viewpoint-neutral ban on political advertising enforced by the Suburban Mobility Authority for Regional Transportation (SMART).

AFDI, a nonprofit that “acts against … government officials, the mainstream media and others,” had said that SMART violated its First Amendment rights in refusing to run its ad promoting the website

The ad read as follows: “Fatwa on your head? Is your family or community threatening you? Leaving Islam? Got questions? Get Answers!”

In granting the injunction last year, U.S. District Judge Denise Hood noted that SMART had allowed an atheist advertisement by the Detroit Coalition for Reason.

The appellate panel rejected this comparison, however, because “the atheist advertisement could be viewed as a general outreach to people who share the Detroit Coalition’s beliefs, without setting out any position that could result in political action. The fatwa advertisement, however, addresses a specific issue that has been politicized.”

Advertising space on SMART buses is a nonpublic forum, according to the ruling. “SMART … has completely banned political advertising, showing its intent to act as a commercial proprietor and to maintain its advertising space for purposes that indicate that the space is a nonpublic forum,” Judge John Rogers wrote for the court. “Allowing the discussion of politics would likely decrease SMART’s revenue,” he added. “For example, if a fast-food restaurant sold advertising space on the side of its store to a neo-Nazi political group for a campaign advertisement, the restaurant would be likely to lose business. Similarly, SMART’s ridership likely would diminish were SMART to allow political advertisements.”

AFDI argued that the ban on political advertising was unconstitutional, but Rogers countered by citing the 1974 case Lehman v. City of Shaker Heights, writing that “an outright ban on political advertisements is permissible if it is a ‘managerial decision’ focused on increasing revenue to limit advertising ‘space to innocuous and less controversial commercial and service oriented advertising.’”

After confirming that SMART’s policy against political advertising is permissible, the panel concluded that “it was reasonable for SMART to conclude that the content of AFDI’s advertisement – the purported threat of violence against nonconforming Muslims in America – is, in America today, decidedly political.”

The panel cited AFDI’s own complaint for evidence of its political agenda, writing that “the complaint explains that AFDI ‘promotes its political objectives by, inter alia, sponsoring anti-jihad bus and billboard campaigns, which includes seeking advertising space on SMART vehicles.’”

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    • mr.ed

      Political speech is the most highly protected in the US. The ads, as distasteful and untrue as they are, will eventually go up.

  • mindy1

    WOOT Go Michigan

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon Arrested, Will Pamela Geller Be Next?

Stockholm, 8/4/12: US Islamophobes, Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller proudly stand shoulder-to-shoulder with co-founder and EDL thug, Stephen Lennon, aka Tommy Robinson.

(h/t: Jai)

SION’s closest UK allies are in deep water. On top of 53 EDL activists being arrested, EDL leader Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson) was also arrested by Met police for entering the USA illegally.

Following yesterday’s police operation that saw 53 EDL activists including EDL leaders Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll arrested, things are looking a little bleak for the tiny tinpot racist.

Tommy has been released on bail pending further enquiries and he has taken to Twitter to reveal how much trouble he is actually in.

Not forgetting several court cases that are pending with Robinson, he appears to be on the point of being remanded in prison for entering the USA illegally last month.

Tommy writes “Been arrested for fraud for flying to America for invitation to speak in new York on Sept 11th. Met police are a joke …#political policing”

He also claims he has been arrested on suspicion of assaulting the Luton based Islamic extremist Sayful Islam.

Tommy isn’t happy, but if his Twitter claims are true I am !!

For more on the arrests of Yaxley-Lennon and his comrades, see: “Tommy Robinson Remanded: In Custody for Entering the US Illegally“, “Tommy Robinson and 53 EDL supporters held after Police Motorway Sting,” and the “Statement by the Met Police.”

This may bode ill for Pamela Geller considering the fact that (according to an article by the British anti-racism organisation “Hope Not Hate”) at the time Geller is also on record as claiming that she was involved in “sneaking Yaxley-Lennon into the country,” it will be interesting to see if she is arrested/prosecuted by the relevant US immigration authorities too. Yaxley-Lennon appears to have been aware that he was in trouble about all this, as last week he tweeted Geller about his recent trip to the US and expressed his wish to privately discuss matters further:

Pamela Geller is going hysterical at the moment on her blog ranting with the usual verbal diarrhea about the UK government being “dhimmis” and “weak” and how this is an unprecedented attack on “freedom fighters” like herself, etc. Sounds like she is scared that she will be exposed  in this mess as well.

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    • Jai

      “New Europe” have published an excellent article summarising recent events, cross-published by Hope Not Hate. I’ve highlighted a few key areas in bold below.


      Full article:

      British far right collapses New Europe by Andy Carling | Tuesday, 23 October 2012

      Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, leader of the English Defence League (EDL), has spent years in a controversial campaign to see “extremist Muslims” imprisoned and is now complaining that the prison he is now in is “full of Muslim extremists.”

      Yaxley-Lennon and 52 others have been arrested in a dramatic police swoop as they travelled to London for an unofficial demonstration outside a mosque. The far right extremists, including candidate for Bedfordshire Police Commissioner, Kev Carroll had hired trucks for the extremists to hide in as they attempted to reach their destination unnoticed. The police were aware of the operation and stopped the vehicles and arrested the occupants.

      Yaxley-Lennon has been charged with assault and using a false passport to attend a demonstration in New York in September, which carries both the risk of being extradited to the US or a sentence of up to 10 years in the UK.

      This may be the same false identity he used to enter the European Parliament earlier in the year for a covert meeting of extremists, including several repeatedly praised by Norwegian killer, Anders Breivik.

      Sajjad Karim MEP, whose house was invaded by EDL thugs, three of which were imprisoned for the demonstration said, “It is deeply alarming to hear that such a high profile extremist figure was able to enter and exit America with false documentation. And this comes after his anti-Islam speech in the European Parliament in July where again he entered by using false documents. This lunatic is a danger to society and must be reprimanded.”

      The fortunes of the EDL have faded over the last year, to a point where they can no longer bring people to demonstrations in significant numbers. A high turnout now is around 10% of their peak.

      They have also failed to transform themselves into a political force. Not only have they failed to articulate a policy agenda, in May Yaxley-Lennon and his cousin Kev Carroll became vice-chairmen of the British Freedom Party, an organization with a tiny membership, founded by Paul Watson, formerly of UKIP.

      [Yaxley-Lennon] resigned from the party in October, after a disastrous EDL demonstration in Walthamstow in London. The poorly attended rally was halted by local people and the EDL leaders ran back to Luton, leaving their members to be arrested and held for hours.

      The EDL members have not provided a boost to the BFP membership. However, Yaxley-Lennon has been courted by American ‘counter-jihadists’ like Pamela Geller, whose demonstration he attended in New York, which has now landed him in trouble.

      Paul Weston has tried to stand by the EDL leader. He visited Wormwood Scrubs prison in London demanding to meet Yaxley-Lennon but was arrested for causing a breach of the peace. The ineptitude of the far-right party can be seen from the fact that Yaxley-Lennon was actually in Wandsworth prison, some distance away.

      The EDL have promised to return to Walthamstow, but with all 53 of those arrested barred from the area, it is hard to see how it will be anything but another failure.

      However, as the EDL collapses into chaos, and there is further trouble coming as they search for the informer behind the latest arrests, members’ attitudes have hardened, with more open threats of violence and even acts of terrorism are debated between them, not only privately but on social networks.

      The decline is mirrored in the British National Party, who now only have one MEP, Nick Griffin after his colleague, Andrew Brons quit the party. Many were surprised that Brons was still a member, having been at odds with Griffin for some time. Brons claims that “80% or 90% of the party’s membership, activists and former officials have left it and disappeared in several different directions.”

      Griffin may be joining the EDL leader in prison. After a recent court ruling where a gay couple were compensated for being turned away from a guest house, run by Christians, the BNP leader sent messages over the social media service Twitter, spreading the couple’s home address and promising that they would be visited by “a British Justice team.”

      Griffin has announced that he was prepared to go to jail over the issue, telling a Christian radio station, “I don’t want to, but the fact is that we are in, now, a totalitarian society where the indigenous majority of Christians and heterosexuals are the oppressed majority and I’m prepared to go to prison to protect their rights.”

      With the EDL and BNP, who detest each other, short of funds, having their political ambitions thwarted and the membership dissolving into competing splinter groups or giving up entirely, the far right in Britain is dying.

      This is not surprising. They are convinced that Islam is about to enslave the world. In the real world, people are concerned over the financial crisis and the effects of austerity. Instead of addressing this, the far right has been living in a paranoid fantasy world, completely disconnected from the hopes and fears of ordinary people.

      Yaxley-Lennon is due in court 7 January 2013.

    • Rights

      I am certainly pleased on account that the law enforcement agencies are willing to arrest those potential terrorists who are not Muslims and whose only association with Muslims and Islam is their hatred of Muslims and Islam.

    • Heinz Catsup


      Animal? Really? Okay, humans may be mentally superior & all but I feel comparing Geller to an animal is an insult as animals are far better than humans like her as they do not wish to hurt you unless they feel threatened or abused and wish to defend themselves as a result.

    • Nevermore

      “I guess that Geller and all these arseholes believe they are above the law.”

      They only like the law when it manages to find ways to club Muslims over the head. Whenever the law doesn’t work in their favor, they’ll shriek about ‘liberal enablers’ and ‘creeping shariah law.’ It’s a remarkably schizophrenic attitude, all things considered.

    • moosern

      It is illegal to aid someone into the US illegally. The penalty is a fine and/or 5 years in prison. Unless it was done so for financial gain then it’s 10 years. Oh, the irony of someone who wants to deport immigrants going to prison for being a coyote.

  • wajjpuff

    Dear oh Dear… can you takes loons like tommy robinson seriously when he pulls stunts like this.

    his joke of a movement the EDL gets their ass’s handed to them whenever they make a public appearance in the UK……..long may that continue

    as for tommy lets hope the americans are not gentle on him at all

“Jewish” Pamela Geller’s “Christian” EDL ally rants about non-Christians being “pagans”

Robert Spencer – Kevin Carroll – Pamela Geller – Stephen Yaxley-Lennon – Stockholm August 2012

Original guest article by Jai

Readers will be aware that Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller’s main British allies are the English Defence League/British Freedom Party leadership. The EDL’s “second-in-command” is Kevin Carroll, who is also the BFP’s co-deputy leader. Along with EDL leader/BFP deputy leader Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka “Tommy Robinson”), Kevin Carroll was involved in hosting the anti-Muslim demonstration in Stockholm in August 2012 alongside Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, BFP leader Paul Weston, and European neo-Nazis.

Kevin Carroll at Pamela Geller’s “SION” anti-Muslim conference in New York

Along with Yaxley-Lennon, Kevin Carroll was also one of the main speakers at Geller’s anti-Muslim conference in New York on September 11th 2012, a fact that Geller has enthusiastically publicised on her “Atlas Shrugs” website. Other speakers included David Yerushalmi, who has represented Geller in various lawsuits. Kevin Carroll himself repeatedly made false claims about the current situation in the United Kingdom and continued his long-term behaviour pattern of hijacking Christianity. He previously attended Geller’s demonstration against the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” in New York in September 2010.

Kevin Carroll’s views on non-Christians

Ironically, in December 2010, Kevin Carroll wrote a number of very revealing comments on Facebook which were posted online on his behalf by Yaxley-Lennon’s PA Hel Gower (multiple screenshots here). In these comments:

1. Kevin Carroll ranted about executing “traitors”, ie. opponents of the EDL. 2. Kevin Carroll continued by ranting about Britain being “a Christian country not a multicultural one”, and he also explicitly described Christianity as “the fundamental culture” of Britain. 3. Kevin Carroll is clearly (mis)using “multicultural” to mean “multireligious” (and similarly, misusing “culture” to mean “religion”). 4. Kevin Carroll ranted about Britain being a Christian country absolutely everywhere. 5. Kevin Carroll explicitly described non-Christians as “pagans”. 6. Kevin Carroll ranted that he will never “bend or bow” to such “pagans”. 7. Apart from confirming the EDL/BFP leadership’s fanatical religious supremacism, Kevin Carroll’s statements also:

a) Confirm their extreme bigotry towards non-Christians in general, not just Muslims, including the various non-Christian groups the EDL/BFP leadership are cynically trying to court as allies against Muslims;

and b) Most revealing of all, Kevin Carroll’s bigoted statements about “pagans” also expose the EDL/BFP leadership’s real attitudes towards their American Jewish allies Pamela Geller, David Yerushalmi, and Robert Spencer’s “boss” David Horowitz.

It is currently unclear whether Geller, Yerushalmi and Horowitz are aware of what their main British allies actually think of them, or whether they are so utterly lacking in self-respect that they are happy to be formally allied with individuals who are on record as explicitly stating how much they despise non-Christians and regard them as “pagans”.

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    • Géji

      JSB, “or why you are so bothered by evidence that Israel is neither completely evil nor completely good.”

      You still not seeing? “Israel”, IS Palestine.

    • Just Stopping By

      @Géji: “JSB, lets drop it! clearly you don’t see Palestine.”

      I’m not sure what you mean. I support a fully independent state of Palestine and an independent state of Israel, the two-state solution. If you mean that I don’t support a one-state solution, that is true mostly because I don’t think that it would be successful but would devolve into a civil war in which people of many religions and ethnicities would die. I have no desire to support a plan that I think would increase the amount of bloodshed all around, though I respect those who think that such a plan would be successful.

      And, with the two-state solution, I do not think that either state should be ethnically pure, but that both should treat their minorities as full citizens with equal rights.

      I understand you may not support my position, but I don’t see why it bothers you so much, or why you are so bothered by evidence that Israel is neither completely evil nor completely good.

    • AJ


      I think JSB sees Palestine.


      If you are a certain poster with their first name beginning with S, I am positive you see Palestine.

      In any case, there is God and there will be justice, insh’Allah!

    • Géji

      JSB, lets drop it! clearly you don’t see Palestine. And I certainly never saw a “Jewish State” in Palestine.

  • Just Stopping By

    @Zakariya Ali Sher: “Also, has Pipes not gone on record claiming that there is ‘no such thing’ as moderate Islam or some such? I might be getting him confused with other Islamophobes.” Close. Here’s what he said at one point: “Moderate Muslims do exist. But, of course, they constitute a very small movement when compared to the Islamist onslaught.”

    @Géji: I brought Danios’ statement into this because I wanted to show that some of Pipes’ statements are pretty much the same as those of people you may admire. However, as I said above, Pipes also makes outlandish statements that essentially say that no Muslim is to be trusted in the US government, and Danios has absolutely never (to my knowledge) made any type of analogous statement. The question I originally addressed dealt with how Pipes can maintain some degree of connection with the mainstream Jewish community, and the answer is that he has a lot of reasonable-sounding material that he can use to claim that he is moderate; only when people investigate him do they find the bigoted material.

    “tell me, what are the difference & similarities of between current regimes leading the ‘Jewish state’ vs that of Gaza?” Israel has growing Christian and Muslim minorities. All Jews were expelled or fled from Gaza around 1949 (they of course came back as settlers but left again recently), and the Christian population in Gaza is shrinking dramatically. The charter of Hamas, the elected leadership in Gaza says, “For our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave,” while Israel’s Declaration of Independence says, “we yet call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to return to the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the State, with full and equal citizenship and due representation in its bodies and institutions – provisional or permanent.” I certainly won’t say that Israel has fully lived up to those statements in how it treats its citizens (to say nothing of how it treats non-citizens in the West Bank and Gaza), nor would I deny the racism in Israel, but it also has affirmative action programs to increase educational and workforce attainment by what is called “the Arab sector” and has had or still has Arabs in positions such as government minister, ambassador, military general, and Supreme Court justice. Also, it may be the only “Western” country that pays Islamic courts to administer rulings according to shariah.

This is What You Can Expect From a Mitt Romney Presidency: Islamophobia

It’s going to be Islamophobia on crack if Mitt Romney wins (thanks for all who sent in tips):

Pamela Geller, for all those who’ve forgotten is the looniest blogger ever. Everything out of her mouth competes with everything she has said in the past to be more over-the-top, racist, hateful, and Islamophobic.

Just take look at a sampling of her positions over the past three years:

Pamela Geller calls for the destruction of the Golden Dome;  Obama is a Mooslim, Jihadist, Pimp, anti-Semite who is aiding the Iranian Nuclear program;  Sharia Coke is taking over the world, it is defamation of Judaism and Christianity for Islam to include Moses and Jesus as Prophets of Islam;  Pamela Geller is a Holocaust Revisionist who claims that Hitler and the Nazis adopted Jihad;  Not only is Obama a secret Muslim, but according to Pamela Geller,  “Obama is bringing his jihad to Illinois…Obama’s treachery is breathtaking;  Pamela Geller calls for the nuking of Mecca, Medina, and Tehran;  Pamela Geller promotes a genocidal videoPamela Geller shows sympathy towards white supremacist;  Screenshot of Pamela Geller’s post on June 25th wherein she posted a video claiming that Muslims engage in bestiality;  Pamela Geller left speechless when called out for drawing a picture of the Prophet Muhammad with a pig’s face.

More serious than Geller posing in a pic with Mitt Romney is the insidious nature of Romney’s ties with the Islamophobia movement. Romney’s senior foreign policy adviser is none other than former Bush era UN Ambassador John Bolton.

One can only hope that in tonight’s debate the moderator questions Romney about his ties to radicals and inclusion of Islamophobes like John bolton on his staff. Gus from Little Green Footballs has compiled an incisive compilation of the ties between Bolton and Geller.:

Exhibit C: Mitt Romney Campaign Senior Foreign Policy Adviser John Bolton and Pamela Geller

Romney foreign policy adviser with hate group leader Pamela Geller in numerous meetings.

About John Bolton:

John Robert Bolton (born November 20, 1948) is an American lawyer and diplomat who has served in several Republican administrations. Appointed on a recess appointment, he served as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations from August 2005 until December 2006. He resigned in December 2006, when the recess appointment would have otherwise ended, because he was unlikely to win senate confirmation.

John Bolton and Mitt Romney

Bolton is currently a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), frequent op-ed contributor to the Wall Street Journal and the National Review, Fox News Channel commentator, foreign policy adviser to 2012 presidential candidate Mitt Romney, and of counsel to the law firm Kirkland & Ellis, in their Washington D.C. office…

The reader should be reminded of the connection between Anders Breivik and Pamela Geller. There is also a connection between Anders Brevik and Robert Spencer.Tommy Robinson’s hooliganism and right-wing extremism is notorious and too extensive to cover here. You can however find many articles covering his organization, the English Defence League, which has been covered extensively at LGF including his connection to Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer.

There is no vast conspiracy at play here. However, it should be disturbing enough that the senior foreign policy adviser to Mitt Romney, John Bolton, has the ear of anti-Islam extremist, Pamela Geller. Her connection with the EDL makes this plainly obvious. This my friends is the post-modern conservative movement, where we find odious characters in the Republican big tent whose lives are intertwined; in this case from Mitt Romney to Pamela Geller; Tommy Robinson (EDL), Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller; and most importantly, the close relationship of John Bolton and Pamela Geller.

Update I: Michael Elwood reminds us that another Islamophobe, Walid Phares is also a part of the Romney’s inner circle,

John Bolton isn’t the only Islamophobe in Romney’s inner circle. His main Middle East advisor is Walid Phares:

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    • Michael Elwood

      Is his blog up and running againg? What’s with all the glitches?

    • Michael Elwood

      Did Kunwar Khuldune Shahid take down his Telegraph blog? If you google his name, the first result was his Telegraph article (even ahead of his facebook and and twitter page). And right under his article was my refutation of it that I posted on Oct. 23. He also abruptly stopped tweeting on the 23rd (except for one tweet on the 25th):

      His friends at the Council of Ex Muslims also mentioned his Telegraph article, then abruptly stopped talking about it on the 23rd:

      What a bunch of phonies! I guess they had to do this to keep Kunwar’s career as a professional ex- Muslim (a la Wafa Sultan and Ayaan Hiirsi Ali) from ending before it even began. Let me post my other two comments here since the “brave” and “courageous” atheist took down his blog like a punk:

      I jokingly said you should call yourself a neoconservative instead of a paleoconsevative because some paleocons, including Muslims like Dr. Robert D. Crane and Prof. Richard S. Voss, aren’t Islamophobes. I disagree with their political views, but they are reasonable in their views of Islam and Muslims.

      paleocon44 says: “Kinda IS the point. There’s Islamic violence in many Countries throughout the world.”

      It kinda isn’t the point. Do you see what I mean by circular reasoning? How is the violence that you see everywhere “Islamic” when Islamic scripture prohibits wanton violence? Because you keep insisting that it’s “Islamic”?

      paleocon say: “I like the “living in peace” obfuscation since an absence of Terrorist acts is NOT necessarily ‘peace’.”

      The absence of violence is the very definition of peace.

      paleocon44 says: “Hopefully, we in the USA can avoid the obvious results of attempting to placate Islamists, stop immigration for a while to sort things out and stop enforcing Islamic Blasphemy Laws (so-called Hate speech which opposes Freedom of Speech) for a start.”

      LOL! Many American Muslims aren’t immigrants. Me, Robert D Crane, Richard Voss, Melissa Robinson, Kelly Wentworth, Keith Ellison, Andre Carson, Fire Marshal Kevin James, Dave Chappelle, Ryan Harris, Jermaine Jackson, Fatimah Jackson, and millions of other American Muslims and their families have probably been in this country longer than you and your family. Ironically, many of the Islamophobes like Sam Bacile, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish, Wafa Sultan, Walid Shoebat, Brigitte Gabriel, Jamie Glazov, etc. are the ones who are immigrants. If you stop immigration, you’d hurt Islamophobia more than you’d hurt Islam.

      As for “enforcing Islamic Blasphemy Laws”, I already demonstrated in my previous post that there is no clamor among American Muslims for “blasphemy laws” and there is no support for it in Islamic scripture. Stop projecting your beliefs onto Muslims! The Pussy Riot may get jail time for blasphemy against Christianity in Russia, but no one has ever gotten jail time for blasphemy against Islam in America.

      paleocon44 says: “As for the rest of your screed: It’s silly of you to try to deflect me and it’s silly of you to pretend, here, that the Islamic writings of the Quran, Hadithic, et al, do NOT justify the violence we can see all around the World.”

      What’s silly is your claim that the Quran justifies violence (which I refuted in my previous post). Equally silly is the implication that Islam is whatever “Muslims” do. I’d be willing to except that only if you also agree that Judaism, Christianity, atheism, etc. is whatever Jews, Christians, and atheists do.

      paleocon44 says: “‘Allahu Ackbar is the cry of Islamic rioters, rapists, murderers et al, the World over. . . .”

      Whoop-dee-doo! What’s the cry of Christian rioters, rapist, and murderers around the world like Anders Brevik, EDL, Golden Dawn, Ku Klux Klan, Christian Identity, Hutaree, Blackwater, Lord’s Restance Army, Caballeros Templarios (Knights Templar), La Familia Michoacana (the Family), National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), and Manmasi National Christian Army (MNCA)?

      paleocon44 says: “But they’re asking questions. They see Malaysia, Mali, Indonesia with their new Muslim majority destroying Holy sites of non-Muslims, tearing down Christian/Hindu/Indian, Natives, etc, places of worship, kill their fellow-Muslims (Shia vs. Sunni and both killing Alawites, etc.) EVERYWHERE they gain authority.”

      Malaysia, Mali, and Indonesia, have been majority Muslim for centuries. There’s nothing “new” about that. What is new is the Sunni minority trying to impose itself on the non-Sunni majority. According to a Pew survey, 56% of Indonesians identify themselves as “just Muslim” while only 26% identify as Sunni. 55% of Malians identify as “just Muslim” while only 20% identify as Sunnis. If I said Christians are trying to impose a Papacy and Canon Law in America you wouldn’t take me serious, if only because Catholics are a minority in America. Yet you expect me to take you seriously when you claim that Sunni minorities are going to impose a Sunni Caliphate and Sunni law not only in their own secular democratic countries, but around the world.


      paleocon44 says: “lololol….. How many of you guys are working this ‘line’, anyway? Two? Three, I think.”

      It’s just me, Michael Elwood. I logged in with a Telegraph account because I was having trouble logging in with Facebook.

      paleocon44 says: “Well done! I usually escape the endless, meaningless… from your side, natch… l;-]… pre-canned arguments you trot out when you encounter idiots… well meaning, but idiots… like me.”

      If it makes you feel any better, supposedly smarter secular Islamophobes don’t do any better.

      paleocon44 says: “For anyone else following this fruitless back-n-forth who would like to learn more on this subject of Islamazation, I recommend the Gates of Vienna blog: Calm discourse without a ‘rabble-rouse’ to be seen. Urgent though… Islamic darkness is descending over the UK, EU et al.”

      If you want to learn more Gates of Vienna, I suggest the following links:

    • @DrM

      By the way, I agree with everything else you wrote in you last comment. Other than that it was spot on. Watcher really doesn’t think critically and it shows.

    • @DrM

      I happen to know a couple of Zionists who aren’t deranged. Try not to lump people together.

    • DrM

      watcher blabbed :

      “Let me make a prediction, if Obama gets re-elected, he will betray Israel in the second term.”

      So that’s what this is about, spoken like a typical deranged zionist(there are no other type). Never mind the fact that all your rubbish talking points have been refuted. According to you, Obama is killing Muslims with drones to maintain a pretense. Talk about teabagger spin and wishful thinking. I guess this is the natural result of chewing on Spencer’s excrement. Get back to me when you find those mythical Iraqi WMDs, idiot.

    • @Watcher

      Doesn’t large numbers of Muslims killing and betraying other Muslims go against the entire idea that Muslims are united front? It doesn’t exactly support the idea that most if not all Muslims are working together to take down America and Israel and the west in general. As for Obama’s views on things like Abortion and Gay Marriage, haven’t you heard of liberal Christians? Not all Christians support the religious right or the Republican party. Have you ever heard of people like Reverend Barry Lynn?

      He doesn’t exactly think the government should outlaw gay marriage, and believes Abortion should remain legal under all circumstances. Come out and say he’s not a true Christian and you have committed the “No True Scotsmen” fallacy.

      Obama’s leftwing political views do not change the fact that he’s a Christian. Individual Christians have radically different interpretations of the faith, and what role, if any it should play in the government. The same goes for Muslims as well. There are Muslims who are anti Abortion and anti gay marriage, as well as Muslims who support Roe V Wade, and think that gays should be allowed to get married.

      I have friend whose a liberal ex Muslim turned atheist, whose upset with her Muslim father because he still supports the Republican party, in large part due to their opposition to gay marriage. I wouldn’t be surprised he also supported their anti abortion stance. Based on What she told me, her dad doesn’t really seem to care much about all the Islamophobia in the Republican Party, in spite of the fact that he’s a Muslim.

      As for Obama’s Cairo speech, it was only suspicious to people who already believed that he was a secret Muslim plotting the over throw of America. Him, praising Egypt, proves nothing. He wants them to be our ally. Why wouldn’t he say nice things about them and their country?

      Also even if America goes bankrupt under Obama, it wouldn’t give us any reason to think it was on purpose. If it was his fault, it would be far more likely to be due to mistakes, rather than some deliberate conspiracy to destroy America. As President, its not exactly in his interest to destroy the country he’s in charge of.

      As for Israel. I would be willing to bet you, that no matter what happens you’ll accuse Obama of betraying Israel, just so you won’t have to admit you were wrong. You have no good reason to think he’s planning on betraying Israel, when he hasn’t already, especially considering the fact that all your arguments are utterly pathetic.

    • Watcher


      Muslims killing and betraying Muslims isn’t that a huge part of the the Arab-spring !?

      Obama’s politics concerning abortion and gay-marriage proved his false claim concerning Christianity and the motive behind this is the Christian vote in America. Also his Cairo speech was very suspicious. Then there is the devastating politics of having Muslims in the US Army. The justification of the murder of the ambassador in Libya, etc.

      Just recently, Ahmadinejad suggested the US going bankrupt and one of the tactics is luring the US in an exhausting war against terror. For America going bankrupt, Obama comes in handy.

      Let me make a prediction, if Obama gets re-elected, he will betray Israel in the second term.

    • @Watcher

      Yes we should come to the conclusion that Obama is a Muslim extremist just because of couple videos. One that’s incredibly vague and other that was likely a slip up, which in no way proves he’s not a Christian like he says he is. In addition he’s having the US military kill genuine Muslim extremists as cover, the same Muslim extremists who would be the ones most likely to want to do the things you suspect him of secretly doing. Tell me, how does that make any sense?

      Also even after the elections, lets say Obama really did want to replace the constitution with Sharia, and turn the united states into theocracy based on an extremist interpretation of Islam like Saudi Arabia. How exactly would he do that, given the fact that most Americans, including most Muslim Americans wouldn’t support him?

      What Is Truth About American Muslims : Interfaith Alliance

    • Watcher

      @Zakariya Ali Sher

      ‘If Obama is so ‘friendly’ towards Islam, then why did he up the drone attacks in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen? Why doesn’t he pull troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan?’

      – end quote

      Obama needs to keep up the pretension, he can not be to obvious about his real purposes. This all for the sake of being re-elected. After his re-election he will have a kind of freehand to implemented his true intentions:

      The following recordings are telling:

    • Michael Elwood


      It seems to be working now. I posted a response to him (along with some links to Loon Watch). But I don’t intend to engage with him for much longer.

    • Chameleon


      You say, “But I couldn’t respond because I’m having trouble logging in. I don’t know if that’s by accident or design.”

      That is one reason I prefer to post on Muslim sites or strongly independent sites. Another reason is that I am writing primarily for the benefit of other Muslims, not just to win arguments against zombies who are incapable of a proper rebuttal and just parrot propaganda all day long. That said, since you had trouble posting, I put in a post on your behalf to the guy who replied to you, just for some entertainment value.

MondoWeiss: Pamela Geller’s 9/11 gathering features speaker calling for Islam to be ‘wiped out’

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer cozy up to Islamophobes who echo their own sentiments about wanting to see “Islam wiped off.” Spencer laughs at Hindu nationalist speaker at SION 9/11 event who compared Islam to bacteria, Muslims to rats and said “Islam will be wiped out.”

A few choice words by Dr. Babu Suseelan, a Hindu activist in Pennsylvania, provided one of these occasions.

“If we do not kill the bacteria,” the jowly Suseelan scolded the audience, “the bacteria will kill us.” Otherwise, he warned, “Muslims will breed like rats and they will be a majority.” Still, he concluded hopefully, “Islam can be stopped! And it can be wiped out.”

Spencer laughed, but Geller covered her face, as if witnessing the antics of a naughty child.

Pamela Geller’s 9/11 gathering features speaker calling for Islam to be ‘wiped out’

by Alex Kane (MondoWeiss)

On September 11, most Americans carried on with their day, perhaps pausing for a moment to reflect on the terrorist attacks in 2001. But not the crew of Islamophobes who have exploited the attacks as an opportunity to foment hatred of Muslims and profit off that hatred.

Leading anti-Muslim bloggers Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer held a September 11 gathering in New York City titled “D-Day in the Information Battle Space.” An initiative of what they call the International Freedom Defense Congress, the conference focused on “Islamic supremacist attempts to restrict the freedom of speech in the free world, and the smear campaigns against freedom fighters in newspapers and media institutions in the West,” in the words of Geller.

The gathering brought together speakers from anti-Muslim movements around the globe, including Tommy Robinson of the English Defense League, a violent far-right group. David Yerushalmi, the racist Orthodox Jewish lawyer who has lived in an illegal Israeli settlement, was a speaker as well. And David Storobin, the Brooklyn state senator who created some buzz after being photographed in an Israeli army uniform, spoke to Geller’s conference too.

It was the latest attempt by Geller and her cohort to forge cross-continental links to other anti-Muslim activists. The precursor to this event was a gathering in Stockholm, Sweden that likewise brought together a host of anti-Muslim activists from around the world. Before that, there was the founding of the Stop Islamization of Nations group, “designed to promote an umbrella network of counter-jihad groups across Europe and the US,” as The Guardian reported.

Brooklyn-based writer Aaron Labaree attended the New York September 11 gathering for Guernica Magazine. Labaree reports that Geller opened up the conference with a speech to attendees that called on “every single one” of them to “be a soldier” in the battle to “save the republic.”

By far the most disturbing aspect of Labaree’s report is this snippet:

A few choice words by Dr. Babu Suseelan, a Hindu activist in Pennsylvania, provided one of these occasions.

“If we do not kill the bacteria,” the jowly Suseelan scolded the audience, “the bacteria will kill us.” Otherwise, he warned, “Muslims will breed like rats and they will be a majority.” Still, he concluded hopefully, “Islam can be stopped! And it can be wiped out.”

Spencer laughed, but Geller covered her face, as if witnessing the antics of a naughty child.

Geller may have covered her face, perhaps in slight embarrassment that the activists she cavorts around with have no problem calling for the “wipe out” of an entire religion. But these are her allies.

But the fact that this rhetoric was inevitable may have caused the most high-profile speaker scheduled, John Bolton, to decide it was against his better interest to attend the conference. Bolton is a top neoconservative and a former official in the Bush administration, and is now advising Mitt Romney.

Bolton is an ally of Geller, as The Nation’s Wayne Barrett noted. “Bolton, who has campaigned repeatedly with Romney, is so close to Geller and Spencer that he wrote the foreword to their 2010 book, The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration’s War on America, and has done several interviews with Geller, cozily discussing Middle East policy in couch videos,” reports Barrett. In the midst of a campaign season, though, Bolton appearing at a conference like this was bound to attract attention that the Romney campaign could do without. So even though Bolton was advertised as being a speaker at the conference, he never planned on showing.

I emailed an assistant to Bolton, Christine Samuelian of the American Enterprise Institute, before the gathering took place. Samuelian told me that the event was “not on his calendar…He has done it in the past and they may have assumed he was going to do it again this year but he did not commit to anything.”

But think again if you take this as a sign that the GOP is trying to ditch its anti-Muslim wing. The optics of a Romney adviser meeting with people who call for Islam to be “wiped out” would not be good, but the larger alliance is still there. As Labaree explains:

National politicians generally don’t get photographed with anyone who talks like Geller or Spencer, but they are happy to be associated with them at just one level of remove. Last weekend, the Family Research Council held its annual conference in Washington, D.C. The FRC’s Executive Vice President, retired General Jerry Boykin, has gained notoriety for his paranoid rants against Islam, which he has called “the religion of Satan.” The FRC conference’s featured speaker this year was Paul Ryan. And the Ground Zero Mosque affair of 2010 drew plenty of politicians of national stature, including Newt Gingrich and Rep. Peter King, of New York, who made opposition to the “mosque” his signature issue.

These politicians take SION’s position because it’s popular. Most Americans don’t get high on outrage the way Geller and Spencer do, but many are receptive to their ideas about Islam. A recent poll by the Public Religion Research Institute and the Brookings Institution found that almost half of Americans surveyed believe the values of Islam are incompatible with American values; the same percentage would be uncomfortable with a mosque being built in their neighborhood. This is theoretical, of course. Most people don’t have a mosque in their neighborhood: as of 2011, Muslims made up less than 1 percent of the U.S. population (Jews account for 1.6 percent, Mormons 1.9 percent, atheists and agnostics 15 percent). So far, the struggle in which SION attendees are supposed to be soldiers is a fantasy. But if Israel and Iran go to war, if there’s a major terrorist attack on U.S. soil—counter-jihadists and their allies will likely see their star rise. Meanwhile, Geller instructed the troops assembled to keep on blogging.

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    • AJ


      “I’m sure. But, even if asked in jest, I treat that question as a great compliment!”

      Awwww thank you JSB!

    • Just Stopping By

      @AJ asks me, “You sure you not a closet Muslim? :-?”

      I’m sure. But, even if asked in jest, I treat that question as a great compliment!

Eight examples of the ‘uncivilized savages’ Pamela Geller is talking about

Who are some of the “savages” Pamela Geller is talking about? Some are future scientists, inventors, ground breaking engineers and so many more.:

by Sami Kishawi (Six Minutes to Palestine)

A virulently Islamophobic advertisement campaign referring to Muslims as “savage” went live this week in ten New York City subway stations. The advertisements, created and funded by Pamela Geller’s American Freedom Defense Initiative, read, “In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad.”

These are the ‘uncivilized savages’ Geller is talking about.

1. Amr the “Spider Man”

When YouTube launched a competition calling on students from around the world to develop experiments to be tested in outer space, an 18-year-old from Alexandria, Egypt, submitted a project — and won. Amr Mohamed’s experiment: to investigate how zebra spiders, which normally jump on their prey, will adapt to zero gravity. His project was among the two chosen to be carried out live by astronauts aboard the International Space Station.

Amr’s motivation stems from his fascination with science, he says, and the fact that his country hasn’t contributed much to space exploration — something he hopes to change.

Amr, by the way, is Muslim. And he’s a future scientist. Savage, right? Instead of fumbling for an answer, watch Mission Control confirm the results of his experiment.

2. Human shields for Christmas

When Egypt’s majority Muslim population promised to protect the country’s threatened Christian community, that’s exactly what it did. Thousands of Muslims gathered last year to form human barriers around churches offering Coptic Christmas eve mass services all throughout the country just days after an extremist attack left 21 dead in a church in Alexandria.

We either live together, or die together,” chanted the crowds of Muslims. Some held candlelight vigils while others cheered their Christian compatriots on as they walked through the droves and into their churches.

Two weeks later, millions of Egyptians took to the streets in nonviolent protest against the Mubarak regime. Pshaw, how silly. A civilized people would know better than to mobilize for equal rights and economic reform. Watch Egypt’s Coptic Christians return the favor as regime-loyalists and rioting thugs pelt rocks at praying Muslims. (The men shouting in the end are repeating, “They’re praying! They’re praying!” not “Jihad! Jihad!” as Pamela & Co. would like you to believe.)

3. Mohammad’s very first response on 9/11

When the Twin Towers collapsed on that fateful day, Mohammad Salman Hamdani rushed to the scene and joined the team of first responders pulling people out of the rubble. He was a 23-year old Pakistani student researcher and an NYPD cadet. He never returned home.

Mohammad wasn’t the only Muslim first responder. Dr. Rudina Odeh-Ramadan, a clinical pharmacist at the prestigious Columbia University,made it to the scene as fast as she could. She found herself buried under the rubble twice as she pulled out bodies and treated fatigued firefighters. But she was booed (in a civilized manner, so it’s cool) when she revealed her Muslim identity at a community meeting in Lower Manhattan. And when the September 11th Memorial was revealed. Mohammad’s family couldn’t find Hamdani’s name where it should’ve been: among the first responders. Although Congress declared him a hero, he was listed in a far-off panel of individuals loosely connected to the day’s events. In fact, he had even been suspected of playing a role in the attacks.

He had dreams of becoming a doctor. His mother calls him “a prime example of what it is to be a human being. He went there to save humanity.”

Mohammad’s remains were found in the wreckage of the north tower in 34 separate pieces. There is no footage of him. So instead, watch these savage tears of uncivility build up in Representative Keith Ellison’s eyes as he salutes Mohammad’s ultimate sacrifice.


4. Refugees inventing for the blind

In 2010, three 14-year-old Muslim girls from a refugee camp in Palestine invented a revolutionary cane that earned them a place (and an award) at the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair in San Jose, California, a premier competition that features the top science projects from a field of over 6 million experiments.

It took Noor Al-Arada, Aseel Abul Lail, and Aseel Al-Shaar six months to develop their cane. “Stick-tech,” they called it, uses infrared signals to identify obstacles that trigger noises and vibrations to alert blind people. The American Federation of the Blind was stunned by the invention’s capacity to resolve fundamental design errors that cane manufacturers had been struggling with since the 1970s.

The three girls wasted many days crossing Israel’s civilized checkpoints to reach Ramallah for basic supplies that weren’t available in their refugee camp. Thank God they didn’t do a jihad and expect, oh I don’t know, an end to foreign military occupation. Watch them rise above the odds.


5. Interrupting the whispers of street crime

With gun violence on the rise in Chicago, Ameena Matthews’ work is more important than ever before. She’s an “interrupter“, working the streets with local anti-violence organizations to put an end to the rampant crime that plagues many of the city’s most disadvantaged neighborhoods. It’s an innovative (and very risky) strategy that involves, quite literally, knowing how to coax a teen out of shooting his way into prison.

There is just too much to be said about Ameena, who went through her own phase of gang activity up until her twenties when she chose not to wage war on her shooters. Guided by her Muslim principles, she has six children and finds strength with her husband, an Imam at a mosque on 75th. Her work was featured in a documentary film that swept the international movie scene and the Chicago Tribune named her Chicagoan of the Year in Film.

She’s braved countless near-death experiences interrupting the whispers that could lead to a case. If everyone were as uncivil and as savage as Geller thinks she is, the world would undoubtedly be a better place to live in. Watch Ameena tell it how it is.

6. The Einstein of Structural Engineering

Skyscrapers are designed to withstand seismic activity and powerful winds but it wasn’t until the early 1960s that a structural system was designed to keep buildings from falling over without caking them in layers of concrete. The tubular design, as it was later called, was the brainchild of Fazlur Rahman Khan, a Muslim from Bangladesh who used his Fulbright Scholarship money to study in the United States. In just three years, he had earned two Master’s degrees and a Ph.D. — a feat so great that it reeks of uncivilized savagery, okay?

What really draws attention to Fazlur is his innovation. Most high-rises built since the 1960s employ some variant of his concept, including the famed Petronas Towers in Malaysia, the Bank of China Tower in Hong Kong, and even the World Trade Center towers. He personally designed the Willis Tower (formerly the Sears Tower) and the John Hancock Center, two of the tallest buildings in the United States.

Imagine how awkward it would be to catch a member of the American Freedom Defense Initiative working in any of the tall buildings built in the last fifty years that bear a Muslim’s structural brilliance. And watch this preview of a video that airs in the Willis Tower’s Skydeck that credits Fazlur’s contributions and, by default, literally falls under Geller’s definition of creeping shariah.

Read the rest…

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    • syed ali

      didn’t my fellow Americans cheer on as Iranian men, women and children died on the Iranian Air Flight 655, because of an ” accident” confusing a Large civilian plane for a fighter jet

    • M

      Having watched some of her videos,I find her to be a very paranoid woman.

      I absolutely like neither islam, nor christianity. Read history, they are both equally distasteful. Both islam and christianity has justified almost all kinds of dredful things one can ever imagine.

      But:she talks about stopping sharia. The only way to do that is champion secularism. Now hows that going to work, when you support the likes of Palin? Im european, so with all the muslim immigration, I think islamic extremism is something for me to be concerned about.

      But if I where american Id be more worried about the evangelicals.

    • Christian-friend

      @Daria, have you meet a Muslim before? I bet you’ll say that no, because they are going to deceive you.

      I agree, there are a lot of Muslims fanatics and they should be stop at all cost. They need to stop their attacks and embrace change.

      But what I disagree is labeling all Muslims as savages and backwards. Why? I have meet many of them and what they want is want you want: normal lifes.

    • Daria

      just remind me, guys – did’nt people in Arab World celebrate 9/11 attack? never? idiotic exceptions, you said?

    • Kimberly

      Ever since the W. years fear has been used to manipulate the American people and the right wing Tea Party fanatics took that fear and ran with it. I find it incredibly hypocritical that these God fearing Christians who want Jesus in the White House are the most intolerant, mean spirited people on the planet. The only thing they are good at is striking that fear core in Americans and unfortunately, they are good at it. Stop spreading hate and cruelty in the name of Jesus or anyone for that matter, just please stop.

    • Gellerban

      @Arab Atheist

      Talking about savages; Since when is vocal ‘Jihad’ ‘Geller’ worse the physical Jihad (Islam)?

    • Arab Atheist

      The “savage” stereotype is not limited to Geller. It’s part of the whole right-wing mindset. Romney thinks Palestenians are suffering because they are culturally retarded. What he doesn’t know is that Palestinians are one of the most successfull displaced/monority groups in the middle east (and many Western countries as well). Almost every year including 2012, it is always Palestenian expats/refugees who rank top of their schools in neighbooring Arab countries. Gulf countries would rather hire a Palestinian than a local. Palestinians are stereotyped as educated businessmen in the Arab world. This is not a matter of racial superiority, of course, but these people were able to make the best out of their misfortune.

    • @Emperor

      Think how many of these smart, brave and noble people are having to suffer the consequences of being stereotyped as blood thirsty Savages by people like Geller and her ilk. It just goes to show how absurd any form of bigotry is, including bigotry against Muslims.

    • Nilufer R. Sage

      Daria – The majority are just people who are wishing to live…. Pamela throws just as many cheap moves PLUS a ton of fabricated stories to keep her money coming. If you wish to call the people in this article “Lucky Exceptions” than I can call those connected with terrorism and the stories you posted (with the exception of Asia Bibi herself, I know those who framed her will be punished) “Idiotic Exceptions”.

  • mindy1

    I remember hearing about that EMT guy :'( so sad. The others have contributed so much, I wish them the best in life

Pamela Geller Stokes anti-Muslim Hatred

I agree with this point by Nick Lowles and have observed it myself,

We are entering a very dangerous period where ‘Counter-Jihadists’ and Islamist extremists are feeding off each other’s extremism to justify their own activities. I’ll be writing more about this shortly.

Though in all fairness this has been going on for quite some time now, though it seems to be escalating.

(h/t: Jai)

Geller stokes anti-Muslim hatred

by Nick Lowles (HopeNotHate)

US ‘Counter-Jihad’ activist Pam Geller is stoking anti-Muslim hatred by producing a poster for the New York subway which declares Muslims as ‘savages’.

The advert, which will go up in ten subway stations next week to coincide with the opening of the UN General Assembly, reads:

“In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad.”

The New York City Metropolitan Transit Authority (MTA) initially refused the posters but have been forced to by a court order.

Geller told Sky News: “I will not abridge my freedoms so as not to offend savages.

“I won’t take responsibility for other people being violent.

“I live in America and in America we have the first amendment.”

These posters are obviously designed to stoke up hatred against Muslims and coming so shortly after the Innocence of Muslims film, again produced by Counter-Jihadists, will create a reaction from Muslims and give ammunition to Islamist extremists.

We are entering a very dangerous period where ‘Counter-Jihadists’ and Islamist extremists are feeding off each other’s extremism to justify their own activities. I’ll be writing more about this shortly.

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    • Dave

      What we are seeing is that Jewish money is now being used to promote hatred of Muslims. This is why they finance groups like the EDL in the UK and several anti-Islam films. While Jews do not allow non-Jewish immigration into Israel, or even allow non-Jews there to marry Jews, they promote third world immigration into all western countries:

      [Snipped: Links to hate sites are not allowed. Ilisha]

      If multiculturalism is going to ease tensions between races, why is it promoted everywhere except Israel.

      In fact, the Zionists are setting us up for another war to benefit Israel and their pockets.

    • “What is wrong with these people? Stop selling oil to enemy states”… “And bankrupt themselves?”

      There are plenty of customers for the most vital product/s of industrial civilization e.g. China. Furthermore, energy is just one aspect, the other includes chemical industry precursors.

      Not only that, the Global Village IS symbiotically inter-dependent.

      The Muslim nations sit astride one of the most important strategic regions on the planet i.e. betwixt 3 continents. They have vast amounts of the most important natural resources for industrial civilization. Just one example is Europe’s need for energy in the form of solar energy from North Africa (DESERTEC).

      China & India are scrambling to grab resources e.g. Africa. The North Atlantic treaty Organization is morphing into the North’s Anywhere Treaty Organization. AFRICOM is being peddled.

      PNAC is in full flow. The existentialist rhetoric of dead-ender Zionism is dragging in the Abrahamic cultures into one big catfight in a M.A.D. scenario. I do not think that a militantly secular world government backed by its own armies is the solution to a diverse world, just a panacea.

      “Freedom” > not that simplistic, both nations have differing RELATIVE (not ABSOLUTE) Freedoms.

    • Jai


      Another excellent new article from Nick Lowles at Hope Not Hate:


      Full article:

      Muslims rise up against Islamist extremes but ‘Counter-Jihads’ remain silent

      posted by: Nick Lowles | on: Saturday, 22 September 2012, 09:15

      While the anti-Muslim haters of the self-defined ‘Counter-Jihad’ movement whip up fear and hatred against all Muslims, over in Libya there is a real, grassroots ‘Counter-Jihad’ operation going on. Tens of thousands of people have protested against Ansar al-Sharia and other Islamist groups, who people believe were responsible for the assault on the US consulate and the deaths of four Americans, including the US Ambassador.

      Militia compounds have been taken over and the headquarters of Ansar al-Sharia has been set alight.

      While the assault on the US consulate might have been the spark, this popular uprising reflects a more general unhappiness with the activities of the Islamist militias since the overthrow of Col Muammar Gaddafi.

      So you would imagine that the self-defined ‘Counter-Jihadists’ would have been cheering on this popular anti-Islamist uprising. But no, they were too busy spreading their general anti-Muslim hatred.

      Pamela Geller’s Atlas Shrugs website focuses on her anger that CNN cut short an interview about her new poster campaign on the New York subway, in which she describes Muslims as “savages”.

      Robert Spencer’s Jihad Watch reports on US collusion with the Muslim Brotherhood, whilst the English Defence League website simply tells the “Muslim world” that they “should get used to being offended.” Over at Gates of Vienna, probably the most important international ‘Counter-Jihad’ blogsite, they carry a clip from SUN TV where “Michael Coren talks about the House of Civilization versus the House of Islam.”

      In fact, I’ve just spent the last 30 minutes going through as many of the so-called Counter-Jihadist websites that I can and I cannot find a single mention of the popular protest in Benghazi. But then again they wouldn’t report it as it does not find into their general mindset that all Muslims are the problem.

    • Steve

      “What is wrong with these people? Stop selling oil to enemy states”

      And bankrupt themselves?

      In what way are they enemy states? I know that the freedoms available in the US are anathema in saudi arabia and I find it very disturbing to see UK politicians pretending to respect the saudi state but the oil producers and the oil providers need each other. It’s a symbiotic relationship, while oil keeps flowing the west turns a blind eye to the human rights abuses endemic in the oil producing states. It won’t last though. Saudi internal oil consumption is predicted to outstrip saudi oil production in the next couple of decades.

    • Rights

      Those who use the First Amendment or any other part of the US Constitution to advance nefarious purpose neither understand nor respect that amendment, or, for that matter, the Constitution. Such people are mischief makers at heart. I think Pamela Geller is such a person. While she may not want to abridge her freedoms – and no one should want her to – I doubt that the freedom she envisions and the manner in which she exercises it are the same that the Amendment meant. Technicalities of jurisprudence and polemics aside, common sense says the free speech the First Amendment meant is not the kind that slaughters the very souls of millions of fellow citizens. Speech that inflicts extreme pain and terrorizes the minds of millions of people leaves the realm of speech meant by the First Amendment. It becomes hate-speech, pure and simple. Geller’s speech is of the soul-slaughtering sort. It is hate-speech. It is an insult to the very amendment she uses to shield it.

    • FYI

      The ‘Pro-Israel’ Network Behind the Innocence Video by Justin Raimondo, September 19, 2012 he central figure in all this is reported to be one Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a 56-year-old Egyptian immigrant: although Nakoula presented himself in an interview with the Associated Press as “Sam Bacile,” a 56-year-old “Israeli-American” real estate developer, he is a Coptic Christian, a member of a persecuted minority in Egypt — and a convicted felon. Media reports portray him as the central figure in the making of Innocence: he denies this, and describes his job as arranging “logistics” for the film. Nakoula’s role seems to have been that of a facilitator — gofer — rather than “creative director,” and in any case he hardly seems the type to have originated the idea for the movie. Having been released from jail — where he was serving a sentence for bank fraud — barely a month before filming started, Nakoula was hardly in a position to undertake such a project. Chances are he was recruited by someone else, the real originator and driving force behind Innocence— but who is that someone?

      Public records show a filming permit was taken out by “Media for Christ,” an outfit run by one Joseph Nasrallah Abdelmasih. His group sponsors Christian programming in Arabic, including “The Way,” a production that has featured such prominent Islamophobes as Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. The Geller-Spencer collaboration goes back to the protests against the New York City “Ground Zero” mosque in which the duo achieved national notoriety: Nasrallah was one of the speakers at their rally. The idea for just such a movie as Innocence showed up on Geller’s blog in February, in a post entitled “A Movie About Muhammad: An Idea Whose Time Has Come.” Ali Sina, an ex-Muslim and board member of Geller and Spencer’s “Stop the Islamization of Nations,” exhorted Geller’s readers to support his movie project:

    • Reynardine

      FYI, we are not an enemy state. Pamela Geller is a mean, loony ricadueña playing “Let’s You and Him Fight (I’ll Hold Your Coat)”

    • FYI

      Why aren’t Muslim countries boycotting American goods? That is their right.

      Why aren’t the oil countries doing what King Feisal of Saudi Arabia was going to do? Use the oil weapon.

      What is wrong with these people? Stop selling oil to enemy states. That is their right. Just as these countries have the right to have free speech to insult religions.

    • Jai


      “I agree with this point by Nick Lowles and have observed it myself,

      [Quote:] We are entering a very dangerous period where ‘Counter-Jihadists’ and Islamist extremists are feeding off each other’s extremism to justify their own activities.”

      The always-excellent historian William Dalrymple eloquently made exactly the same point in his brilliant book The Last Mughal. Dalrymple also provided a slightly modified version of the relevant quote at the end of this Guardian article:

      “In a curious but very concrete way, the fundamentalists of all three Abrahamic faiths have always needed each other to reinforce each other’s prejudices and hatreds. The venom of one provides the lifeblood of the others.”

    • Bob

      I am sorry, too, that she (and a disproportionate number of Islamophobes) are members of my tribe. Most are die-hard Zionists who reject multiculturalism and seem to also hate Blacks, Hispanics, and gays too.

      I at first thought it might be a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” or “the enemy of my friend is my enemy” thing. But upon further reflection, the same xenophobia, racism and malice that motivates Islamophobia also underlies Zionism.

    • mjasghar

      big surprise geller getting air time on Sky news – which is owned by Rupert Murdoch ie UK equivalent of FOX news

  • mindy1

    I am ashamed she is a member of the jewish tribe

Rabbi Jill Jacobs explains message behind New York subway ads

Rabbi Jill Jacobs explains message behind New York subway ads

Inae Oh of the Huffington Post interviews Rabbi Jill Jacobs, executive director of Rabbis for Human Rights-North America, which took out an advertisementurging New York subway users to “help stop bigotry against our Muslim neighbors”, in an effort to counter Pamela Geller’s notorious “savages” ad. Rabbi Jacobs explains:

“I was very concerned that people might think that these ads speak for the Jewish community, as Geller couches her anti-Muslim message in the language of supporting Israel. The suggestion that she is speaking only about terrorists, and not about Muslims in general, falls apart as soon as you read her writings, which are fear mongering about Muslims in the U.S. and in the world, and about Islam as a religion.”

She adds: “I want to spread the message that 1800 rabbis – along with the majority of the American Jewish community – believes in partnership with our Muslim neighbors. We, of course, oppose all acts of terrorism. We will not, however, allow the actions of a small minority to be an excuse for dehumanizing an entire people.”

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    • Nevermore

      @Bilal: If by ‘Muslims’ you mean ‘certain nations who happened to be Muslim,’ then yes, I agree. Even the fact that, probably, up until the 1600s-1700s, they were fairly similar in terms of economic development with their Western counterparts. However, economics (the development of mercantilism leading to capitalism), as well as their own natural abundance allowed them to slingshot ahead. Trade routes that nations like the Ottoman Empire once ruled became obsolete because no one wanted to pay their tariffs.

      As for Islam being perfected in Muhammad’s time, well, I’m a friend to Muslims (as an agnostic); otherwise, I wouldn’t be here. At the same time, though, I can’t say I honestly agree. But your point about learning more about Islam’s history is well met. Educating yourself is never a fool’s errand.

    • Garibaldi


      What I was referring to specifically is there has not been enough discussion about Pamela Geller’s anti-Muslim fear-mongering in the media, and I am commending Rabbi Jill Jacobs for highlighting that. I don’t know why media outlets are excluding this bit when they cover Geller’s Ads, it makes me question if it’s lazy journalism or selective? I mean do they think it is too much editorializing for a report? I wouldn’t buy that argument.

      To Geller most Muslims if they aren’t terrorists, are potential terrorists, and therefore a threat and dangerous to society.

    • Géji


      “This point has not been made enough during coverage of Geller’s hate ad campaign.”

      And so Geller could be able to ‘define’ what is terrorism? and who are this ‘terrorists’ we keep on ‘hearing’ about anyway? Anyhoo, I’ve expressed ‘definitions’ accuracy on this Site. Seems current outlook of, Terrorism ; Anti-semitism ; Jihadis ; Islamic-Terrorism, Islamist, and so on, really ‘defines’ all.

    • Bilal

      @nevermore , I suggest a bit of research into the history of Islam. The Muslims were the richest nations up to colonization and the reason they had no ‘reformation’ is because Islam was perfected the during the lifetime of Proohet Muhammed(PBUH) .

    • Nevermore

      @Stoned Gremlin: You’re right. I misspoke to an extent. What I meant was that both places are lacking when compared to Europe’s development.

      You’re certainly correct that some of the Caliphates throughout history were great powers; that is true. However, these are also pre-industrial societies. So far, in the industrial era and post-industrial era, both Africa and the Middle East have lost out while the places taken over by Europe (or have Europeans living in them for the most part) have triumphed. As for Africa: yes, again, compared to Europe, it does. The tsetse fly was a big factor in ensuring that native Africans could not build equivalent societies to their European counterparts (at least in the sub-Saharan parts) as did the general lack of staple food crops, though there were some exceptions like the yam. Not to mention: a lot of the empires in the north and in the west had impressive empires, for sure, but they did not effectively weed out tribal identities as what ultimately happened in Europe; this is a big problem when forming nation states. This general lack of organization into nation states is also what compounded problems for the areas that *do* have things available to them (like the area that’s the modern day Congo). The post in question was more a generalized look at the continent historically rather than specifically talking about religion.

      These places did have something in lieu of resources, both in the north and the west (even east, if we’re counting Ethiopia in): human capital. I suspect this has been a reason Islam has had trouble historically, as far as I know, with abolitionism. When you live in areas where there aren’t many things to own, how do you create symbols of status and wealth? Enslavement seems to have worked for most societies. The great historic empires of western Africa built most of their wealth through this, selling conquered tribes to Europeans. Of course, this was a problem not limited solely to Muslim Africans; no one seemed generally to be too picky about who got sold.

      You don’t have to tell me about the blight that is colonialism and imperialism. I don’t mean for that to sound harsh, but I’m well aware. But Africa, prior to the 19th century, was simply viewed as a backwater. Much of the ‘Scramble for Africa’ was either vanity projects or attempting to secure trade routes (mostly in the U.K.’s case here). They were colonies/possessions for the sake of simply having them for many. You’re totally right that their literal/figurative rape did them no favors at all.

      As for oil: well, yes, they’ve got that. Right now, that’s all they might need. The thing is, though, that in the generally authoritarian/dictatorial atmosphere of the Middle East, this means little. Hardly any of the citizens see the wealth generated by the ‘black gold’ that’s underneath them. Whom ever’s in charge gets a cut, while the companies and various cronies each get a share. The astronomical unemployment rates of many of these countries is a testament to this. Again, maybe I could have explained myself better, but for a populace to become more liberal, it must also be better educated. The lack of money of these people (for schooling) simply compounds the unfortunate fact their leaders just don’t give a damn about them.

    • Stoned Gremlin

      @Nevermore I see a little flaw in your argument there. You’re telling me that AFRICA is lacking RESOURCES? Many countries under Muslim rule during the days of the Caliphate were major world players even in pre Islamic times such as Persia, Iraq, Egypt, India etc.

      One of the reasons why former commonwealth nations aren’t as wealthy as western nations is because their resources were exploited by colonial powers to develop the countries of the COLONIALS’ rather than to continue their own economic growth.

      You’re telling me that one of the problems the middle east faces is lack of money? The region most abundant in OIL?

    • Nevermore

      Islam will ‘reform’ (a very strange term indeed considering that there are liberal imams in the West just as much as there are liberal pastors, priests, rabbis, etc.) when the places that we associate with its fringe lunatics become richer. History has proven that time and again money brings liberalism. When those nations sort themselves out and are able to properly guide their own destinies, then you’ll see them start to look like the West’s religious figures.

      Christianity and Judaism (in the sense of ‘the West’) have the benefit of being centered in a part of a world rich in natural resources and the ability to hold large, urbanized populations. Islam typically has been in areas that are resource poor, like the Middle East and Africa. “It’s the economy, stupid!” is a much better explanation than “Those stupid, unwashed ‘Mooslims’ are so barbaric and primitive!”

      As for the article: I applaud Mizz Jacobs for taking a stand against Geller and her ilk. For a people that have known so much suffering throughout their history, it’s nice to know that some have chosen to dedicate themselves to not letting a similar fate befall anyone else.

    • AJ


      “I ask the obvious questions”When will islam follow?–When will islam Reform itself?–When will islam stop with hate and hostility?–When will islam stop submission?–I’m sorry to see no light at the end of islam’s tunnel–Is there hope?”

      1) Islam is the leader.

      2) Islam = Reform

      3) Islam does not teach hate and hostility.

      4) Islam = Submission to God

      5) Stop being a pessimist. Get out of your mole hole and see the world. You will see the light.

      6) Yes, there is hope but first you have to Believe. I Believe and so I do have hope. You will to.

    • AJ

      I feel that the Jewish organizations that have been fighting Geller et al before her current ad campaign appeared have more validity than the ones that are countering her after the ad. Now it could be that Geller’s ad have become more vicious so these Jewish organizations have stepped in but there is also a chance that Geller has made a big mistake by involving the name of Israel in the current ad which would make Israel appear like a culprit in Islamophobia. These Jewish organizations need to step in to save their name. It could be either of the causes so I don’t fell very warm hearted about the Jews who got involved after this ad because I don’t know their motive.

    • dude


      sounds like Daniel Pipes who ignored the existence of Torah observant Jews back in 1980:

      While most Jews cheerfully accept modern life, Muslims contest every concession to it. As a result, Judaism today appears in many ways more akin to Christianity than to Islam; and in many ways it is. Yet this is new. For many centuries, adherence to divine law made Judaism and Islam kindred spirits. Conceivably they could be so one day again; but that will happen only when Muslims too abandon the law.

      Until he realized more recently that if current tragic demographic trends continue, the Torah Jewish community will be the only one left standing within a generation:

      Should this trend continue, it is conceivable that the ratio will return to roughly where it was two centuries ago, with the Orthodox again constituting the great majority of Jews. Were that to happen, the non-Orthodox phenomenon could seem in retrospect merely an episode, an interesting, eventful, consequential, and yet doomed search for alternatives, suggesting that living by the law may be essential for maintaining a Jewish identity over the long term.

      By the transitive property of Pipes own logic, Muslims would be daft to abandon their Law.

    • Just Stopping By


      “I too think that the Rav here is going in the right direction–Take notice that she is a female Rabbi from either the Reform or Conservative sides of Judaism which aren’t as misogynistic as the Orthodox Jews.”

      Yes, those misogynistic denominations that ordain women as rabbis, hating them so much as to give them a position as the leader of their congregation. The only thing more amusing in that sentence was when you called her “the Rav”, since that sounds really masculine, as opposed to the generally (though not universally) preferred term of Rabbah for a female rabbi.

      As for Islam, your claim that Islam is essentially hate and hostility is similarly problematic, as it similarly attributes the worst attributes of a few to an overall religion or denomination. I don’t think the rabbah, whose ads say, “help stop bigotry against our Muslim neighbors,” would approve.

    • Franczeska

      Nice series of loaded questions, Billy Rojas.

    • Bill

      I too think that the Rav here is going in the right direction–Take notice that she is a female Rabbi from either the Reform or Conservative sides of Judaism which aren’t as misogynistic as the Orthodox Jews–You see folks Judaism has gone through a sort of Reformation to bring itself into the modern world–I ask the obvious questions”When will islam follow?–When will islam Reform itself?–When will islam stop with hate and hostility?–When will islam stop submission?–I’m sorry to see no light at the end of islam’s tunnel–Is there hope?

    • Ansar

      Great post Jai, it is only if the real meaning of Jihad is explained by a non-Muslim will it be understood and people may pay attention. It has been correctly explained as in internal struggle in all aspects of one’s life; to the point when a smoker wants to quit, he/she is doing jihad against its own desire. And I want to thank the good Rabbi for such an understanding gesture, we need more people from all religions to start thinking this way, after all it is the second largest religion of the world and majority are good law abiding and tolerant. Regards

    • Jai

      I recently made the following point at the end of a Loonwatch comments thread about Robert Spencer, but as that article is no longer on the front page, I’ll repeat my statements here:

      Sheila Musaji’s new article is definitely worth reading in full:

      Not only does Pamela Geller plan at least 9 more anti-Muslim ads, but (no doubt in response to the escalating backlash) Robert Spencer himself has disingenuously started trying to publicly distance himself from the ad campaign.

      Furthermore, as Sheila Musaji’s article documents, it turns out that Robert Spencer is on record as publicly admitting that the word “jihad” certainly doesn’t necessarily mean anything negative, including “violence” or even “holy war”. Sheila’s article includes the URL link to Spencer’s own recent JihadWatch article on the subject:

      Quote from Spencer’s JihadWatch article:

      Robert Spencer: “This page [explaining Spencer’s decision for choosing the name “Jihad Watch”] has been linked to the front page of the Jihad Watch website since October 2003, and all that time it has said this: “Jihad (Arabic for ‘struggle’) is a central duty of every Muslim. Muslim theologians have spoken of many things as jihads: [for example] the struggle within the soul…..I discuss the various meanings of jihad, including that of spiritual struggle, in my 2003 book Onward Muslim Soldiers and many times elsewhere. On hundreds of radio shows over the years I have explained, as part of my basic explanation of the word, that “jihad” in Arabic has as many connotations and shades of meaning as “struggle” does in English — as I explained in this 2008 interview: “The word means ‘struggle,’ and has as many connotations as the English word ‘struggle’ does. The Islamic Republic of Iran has a Department of Agricultural Jihad, which has to do with the struggle to increase crop yields.””

      It proves that Robert Spencer & Pamela Geller are perfectly aware that they’re deliberately promoting misinformation about Islam & Muslims during their continuing anti-Muslim propaganda campaign, including the current ads in New York.

      Some enterprising organisation should simply create posters quoting Spencer’s statement above and display them right next to Geller’s ads in NY.

    • Garibaldi

      Happy to see Rabbi Jacobs speak out on why she put up the counter ads. I think the points she makes here is crucial,

      “The suggestion that she is speaking only about terrorists, and not about Muslims in general, falls apart as soon as you read her writings, which are fear mongering about Muslims in the U.S. and in the world, and about Islam as a religion.”

      This point has not been made enough during coverage of Geller’s hate ad campaign.

    • Just Stopping By

      I agree with mindy1 and with Rabbi Jacobs.

      (Note that if you donate to that particular fund, “campaigns against torture, slavery/human trafficking and Islamophobia in North America,” it looks like, at least on my browser, that the choice doesn’t show clearly on the webpage donation form, but it came through on the confirmation email.)

  • mindy1

    OMG way to represent the tribe ma’am. Thanks for being open minded

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