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Muslims and anti-racists held a 700-strong rally near Paris last week against rising Islamophobia in France (Pic: Guy Smallman)

Muslims and anti-racists held a 700-strong rally near Paris last week against rising Islamophobia in France (Pic: Guy Smallman)

There are serious discussions regarding so-called “preventative” internment camps for those classed as “extremists” by the French state.

via. Socialist Worker

Days earlier prime minister Manuel Valls sought legal advice on setting up “preventative” internment camps for those classed as extremists.

The number of people in this category doubled to 20,000—the majority of them Muslims—between August and November.

Chair Sihame Assbague called for putting slips of paper saying “no votes without justice” in ballot boxes instead of voting papers.

Campaigner Marwan Muhammad criticised much of the left, “who couldn’t be here because they found it more important to justify themselves to racists.”

Salma Yaqoob, a leading figure from the anti-war movement in Britain, pointed to what could be gained from cooperation between Muslims and the left.

Hanane Karimi is a campaigner in eastern France where the FN led the first round.

She told Socialist Worker, “A victory for the FN would be a catastrophe for everyone.

“But its ideas have been allowed to become so widespread that it becomes a possibility.

“Politics have lurched to the far right. The Socialist Party has been the best possible advert for the FN.

“In France there is no political alternative—and perhaps we need to build one.”

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    • George Carty

      Even a materialist would not respect a country for being rich if (like KSA) it is rich purely due to an accident of geography rather than due to the productivity of its people.

      KSA and the other Gulf states are particular egregious examples as they actually hire foreigners to do most of the work!

    • George Carty

      From the way you spell your name I’d guess you were from a German-speaking country.

  • The greenmantle

    Now this is no surprize as Camp Sarko is alwaus trying to look tough against Islam in an attempt to out flank LePen and they would and do promise anything whilst in opposition .. I wouldn’t be surprised if they suggested the internment of all muslim first born frankly . I had some good news an older Frenchman I know , (who reads Le Point !) told me that it was mentioned at the Christmass Eve Midnight Mass he attended, that French Muslims were protecteding Churches in Paris . We were both impressed

    Wonder if that ever makes Fox news

30 Percent of Republicans Want to Bomb Aladdin’s Hometown Agrabah

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Public Policy Polling asked Republicans if they would want to bomb the fictional town of Agrabah in Disney’s Aladdin movie.

These are the results:

Support bombing Agrabah  …………………………30%

Oppose bombing Agrabah  …………………………13%

Not sure ……………………………………………………57%

AladdinIs nothing sacred?

One wonders where all these Republicans were radicalized? Charles Pierce notes some more startling aspects of the polling.

1) That Marco Rubio’s unfavorable numbers are exactly the same (34 percent) as Donald Trump’s. Which makes Rubio seven points more unpopular than Ted Cruz, whom nobody likes except his mother, and she could be jiving, too. And that, in a head-to-head hypothetical, Cruz crushes Rubio, 48 percent to 34. Xenophobes have long memories, Marco.

2) That 80 percent of Republican primary voters favor banning gun sales to people on the no-fly list, not that it will matter.

3) That 46 percent of them want a database kept of all Muslims in America.

4) That just as many of them believe that Muslims danced on rooftops on 9/11 as do not believe that this thing that didn’t happen didn’t happen.

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    • The greenmantle

      er ..why ? do they invade wild life Refuges ?

    • Reynardine

      It’s a good thing I posted information on these useful vegetables here, because over at Hatewatch, they’re censoring sweet potatoes.

    • The greenmantle

      I grew a whole sweet potato last year which is good going for these parts Sir David

    • Reynardine

      They’re not nearly as floriferous as the regular morning glories, and seeds are only used for propagation to produce new varieties. Two kinds have to flower near each other at the same time for them to set seed at all. But for dark, ornamental foliage and fairly frequent flowers combined with delicious tubers, get Vardaman, which, while it is sold as a food variety, is frequently planted decoratively as well.

    • Reynardine

      As promised, a sweet potato flower (Ipomoea batatatas)

    • Reynardine

      We’re properly brought up. We don’t expose ourselves, and we don’t suggest that other people should do it.

    • Reynardine

      And then they wound up bombing Kiev by mistake.

    • Friend of Bosnia

      Tsk, tsk, tsk …

    • Mifeng86

      For a bit of a chuckle, more from our favorite Islamophobe VonHelton;

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6zOCr0NRH4

      Don’t watch this while drinking coffee, it burns when it’s shooting out of your nose XD!

    • Mifeng86

      ROFL! I can see Snooki’s Muslim-hating grandma(Pamela Geller) posting shrill headlines about Tom & Jerry now being Stealth Jihad1!!!111 XD!

    • Reynardine

      Certainly, I can see it, and so can they!

      Happy New Year!

    • Reynardine

      Addendum: Also to get a medical workup done far more cheaply than he could at home, even counting in the airfare. In that, he was successful, but as to the other, he can hardly wait to get home.

    • HSkol

      I’d advise using water soluble paste – you’ll have a tough time getting it off your screen if you use super glue or something like that.

      (I’ve had problems in Disqus across the board since around 2 PM.)

    • Reynardine

      For some reason, I can’t paste a link tonight, and I’ve done it before.

    • Reynardine

      Not for the first time, I have wondered. My godson has several times called me naïve. Although, given his current situation, perhaps that is… piquant.

    • Reynardine

      I have wondered. My godson has several times called me naïve.

    • Reynardine

      That’s fine. If the story originated then, we still might have an ur souce for Tom and Jerry.

    • Reynardine

      That’s my understanding. I can’t vouch for the source’s source.

    • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

      That is really 14th century?

    • Reynardine

      Incidentally, folks, this, er, lady, who is keeping her account private, has also been over at Hatewatch making her cretinous and irrelevant remarks.

Study Correlates Religiosity To A “Stronger Sense of National Belonging”

Deakin University researcher Fethi Mansouri says he had found that Australian Muslims who followed both regular law and sharia did not experience a sense of not belonging. Picture: Hollie Adams

This throws another wrench into the faulty radicalization models that claim extremism is related to greater levels of religiosity. It is also going to make some people, especially new-atheists unhappy, which is not a bad thing.

The Australian 

The more religious Australian Muslims are, the greater their sense of civic duty and of belonging to the nation, research has found.

The study by University of Western Sydney human geographer Kevin Dunn also found there was no empirical evidence to suggest Islamophobia caused religious radicalisation.

The finding contrasts with a claim made to this effect by ­Australia’s Grand Mufti, Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, in the wake of last month’s Paris terror attacks.

Professor Dunn led a team that interviewed hundreds of Muslims in Sydney mosques and Islamic centres and at Eid festivals. The surveys tested for ­incompatability and disaffection among Muslims, as well as feelings of being settled and belonging. The work found that the majority of interviewees were “well integrated into Australian society” and that “higher levels of religiosity were positively associated with stronger national ­belonging and a sense of Muslim integration”.

Religiosity was defined through a series of questions, ­including whether children were enrolled at Islamic schools, how important religion was to the ­interviewee and how often they prayed, attended mosque and fasted.

The study found that Muslims experienced racism at greater rates than other Australians, up to three times higher on average, but Professor Dunn said there was no evidence this in itself led to radicalisation.

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    • Just_Stopping_By

      You’re right that it’s misleading, but not really for that reason. The actual question is not “Are you well-integrated into Australian society?” but “Muslims are well integrated into Australian society” with choices of Agree, Neutral, or Disagree. See page 18 of the pdf: http://www.uws.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/990129/Sydney_Muslims_report.pdf . The results are strongly driven by the eleven Muslims in the category of thinking that religion is not important at all in their life.

    • GaribaldiOfLoonwatch

      No need to log off. I’ll see if we can add the rest of the article.

  • HSkol

    I do think if “Muslims” specifically had been mentioned, I would have had a different initial take – again, from the headline only. I did enjoy the portion of article I see here. I guess I’m in a nit-picking mood today. Time for me to log off perhaps?

AlJazeera: France to Close Over 100 Mosques

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Is this the best response to the attacks in Paris? Shutting down mosques may satiate the appetite to be seen as “doing something” but is it really an effective strategy to combat “extremism” or does it only feed and perpetuate faulty narratives of a “war on Islam” and that mosques are breeding grounds for “radicalization?” What standard will the government of France use to declare something sufficiently “takfiri” or “radical?”

These questions and more are vital and need to be seriously engaged in a discussion on extremism, surveillance, civil and human rights.

After all, most of those who commit these acts aren’t known to frequent mosques, quite often they are religious novices. Radicalization doesn’t occur in the mosques: so how exactly is shutting these mosques down going to solve anything?

AlJazeera

France is likely to close up to 160 mosques in the coming months as part of a nationwide police operation under the state of emergency which allows places of worship that promote radical views to be shut down, one of the country’s chief imams has said.

Following news that three mosques have already been closed since the November 13 attacks on the capital, Hassan El Alaoui, who is in charge of nominating regional and local Muslim imams and mediating between the imams and prison officials, told Al Jazeera on Wednesday that more were set to be shut.

“According to official figures and our discussions with the interior ministry, between 100 and 160 more mosques will be closed because they are run illegally without proper licenses, they preach hatred, or use takfiri speech,” he said.

Takfiris are classified as Muslims who accuse others of the same faith of apostasy, an act which has become a sectarian slur.

“This kind of speech shouldn’t even be allowed in Islamic countries, let alone secure countries like France,” El Alaoui, who became the first Muslim prison chaplain-general in 2005, said.

The recent mosque closures, he added, were made under “a legal act that the authorities have” and must have happened because “of some illegal things that they found”.

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The following exchange with head of CCiF (Council Contre Islamophobia en France), Yasser Louati with Amy Goodman is extremely important.:

AMY GOODMAN: What about the effect of the mosques being raided on the Muslim community?

YASSER LOUATI (from Collective Against Islamophobia in France): Oh, an outrage and deep humiliation and complete abandonment by the government. The question was like, why? You know what’s going on in mosques. The Minister of Interior knows radicalization does not happen inside mosques and they just came here, they found nothing and started, like, pulling off ceilings. They smashed the libraries, threw books on the floor and just walked away. If it isn’t a sense of vengeance, you know, you are applying against Muslims, then what is it? Why not respect human dignity. I mean, like, you know, these Muslims are the very same target as you are people. Well you are not Muslims. Why hit them again by government forces that show no respect whatsoever? And when the pictures went viral on social media, the government said nothing about that.

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    • moraka

      By calling you stupid i shut down an argemument? Are you high?

    • JamalSalam

      Ah, another one that wants to shutdown argument by name calling. Well done. Sorry but I just see Islam as the creation of one man and his alter ego.

    • JamalSalam

      Thanks for your reply. On one point – ‘A child can see that if you slaughter people endlessly and plunder and dominate their lands, some of them will fight back’. But this is how the crusades started isn’t it? 400 years of aggressive and violent expansionism by Islam resulted in ‘Blowback’ as you put it.

      Another point – ‘They’re a mercenary army doing what they’re paid to do–not an organic outgrowth of Islam.’ History and islamic doctrines and scripture do not support this argument.

      I do agree that the west is behaving badly. We are being controlled by corporate interests and banking elites.

      Quite frankly I don’t see much joy in either side. Slaves to corporate and banking elites or slaves to Islam.

    • moraka

      You are the living definition of stupidity or else they let you use the computer in the madhouse to early. You come with a shallow wikipedia style explanation of fascism, then claim that somehow Islam is fascist despite the fact that fascism has virtually nothing in common with Islam. Never mind the fact that fascism is a secular European ideology from the modern period and Islam is a Abrahamic religion from the 7th century.

    • moraka

      That makes no sense and misses my point.

    • Mike Moore

      Hitler was Austrian and there is suggestions that he was also of jewish background. For anyone trying to make a point either pro-jewish or pro-islamic, using Hitler in their argument is dilussionall at best. Since everyone since WW2 realize he was simply an egomaniacal mental cripple.

    • Mike Moore

      If the mosque’s imams encites violence… (Which goes against the Quran teaching, according to muslim’s I’ve heard as well as Obama), then the imam is a terrorist and should be arrested and jailed in isolation. If the mosque’s parishioners protest, arrest them as terrorists, then after a period in prison, deport them. Based on the claims that islam is a peaceful religion. It can’t be both a peaceful religion while also espousing violence and or hate directed at non-muslims. You can’t have your cake and eat it too, so goes the saying. Furthermore, close down any mosques which harbor espousers of violence against non-muslims and ones found with weapons. Common sense, no rocket scientists needed. And any new immigrant should be required to swear an oath against violence against citizens of the country they migrate to. And to espouse good will and civility towards others that doesn’t worship their own ideology. With penalty of deportation.

    • George Carty

      François Hollande reminds me of Ramsay MacDonald, the British Labour Prime Minister during the early part of the Great Depression. Just as MacDonald was trapped by the Gold Standard (which forced him to pass many policies that screwed over the working classes), so Hollande is likewise trapped by the Euro.

    • George Carty

      It’s more likely they’re trying to pander to the Islamophobes in the hope they won’t vote FN.

    • George Carty

      Drinking into oblivion? I thought that was more a national pastime in more northerly countries (the beer belt and especially the vodka belt), not a wine-belt nation like France.

    • George Carty

      Aren’t almost all jihadists from Western countries radicalized not in mosques, but in universities or via internet hate propaganda?

    • HobgoblinTruth

      Looks like we got another “moderate Muslim” in here.

    • Sam Seed

      I know a guy called Sandy at work, it’s an Scottish name.

    • Sam Seed

      100% correct Illisha!

    • Yausari

      We have a problem where people think that are “many” sects in Islam when they’re only two, sunni and shia. I don’t know if they know this, but for typical islamophobe; you know what’s going to happen. But let’s assume he is an expert of Islam, because he acts like one For example; many thinks that wahabi is a sect. When it is a tribe. If those people are asked whether they are sunni or shia. they will say sunni. People like this “CadaveraVeroInnumero” and the likes will deny and approve it whenever convenient. Like when we say ‘Taqiyah is shia’s teaching’…. well you know the rest.

    • Amie

      Well,… what to say? Europeans are looking for any excuse to try to discredit Islam as religion and to discriminate against Muslims in general. While there might be radicals attending mosques, at the same time they are saying that the mosques are the places where people get radicalized. How so? What makes one person be practicing Muslim believer, yet peaceful and not an ISIS lover, while the other is just an opposite–and they attend the same mosque? The obvious answer is that it is not the religion of Islam, Qur’an or the mosque. It is individual people. Just like one Christian decides that his God forbids abortions and goes out to attack abortion clinics, another one may believe that his God is merciful that even women who do abortions will be forgiven. However, by closing down mosques or taking other anti-religion measures specifically aimed at Islam, the Westerners are showing that in their fight against radicalism they are also indirectly attacking the religion of Islam.

    • AJ

      Care to give examples of ISIS’s actions rooted in the Quran?

    • CadaveraVeroInnumero

      Are you asking me to accept a Shia rebuttal against the Sunni claims of ISIS? What value is there in that? What makes a Shia declaration of jihad more credible than a Sunni (by ISIS, a resurgent Turkish Ottoman Calipahye, or the self-elevated rights of the House of Saud)?

      However one (Shia, Sunni, certified accredited Muslim scholar, or plain ordinary Joe) lays out the proper procedural (juridical) steps in declaring jihad the end result (goal) is the same – the global submission to Islam: every land & peoples, every man,, woman, and unborn babe.

    • TheSyndicate2006

      Nah, France prides itself on people drinking into oblivion, having premarital sex, mocking other religions, hating foreigners especially North African types, and think their cuisine is all that. Closing down bars and gay clubs would be an assault on their fascist secular ideology.

    • downwithpants

      I dont think Sandy is a guy’s name…then again it is 2015.

    • Friend of Bosnia

      Well, in the same way as many other fora are dominated by bigots, racists, fascists and genocidals. One might get the impression that the world is full of them. I could say with the same justification that a majority of a certain people (you know whom I mean) are exactly that. Well, maybe not a majority but, alas, a very large proportion. Recently their Prime Minister expressed the wish that his people and their neighbors, whom they tried to exteminate could “live in peace together for 100 years”. Good, and then what?

Hate-mongering New York Post Front Cover: “Muslim Killers”

(h/t: Mario)

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The intentional hypocrisy and double-standards have reached a point of sickness and dementia.

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    • Princess Erika the Radiant

      yet more proof the last person you want to have a relationship with is a “family values” conservative

OpenDemocracy Interviews Arun Kundnani on the Ramifications of the “War On Terror”

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via. OpenDemocracy

“In this interview, he unveils and critiques the ramifications of the ‘war on terror’, from the conservative and liberal rhetoric of the intellectuals and commentators who have emerged, to the theories of ‘radicalisation’ which have fuelled counter-terrorism programmes in the west.”

Is everywhere a war zone now? How does this connect to the rhetoric of the ‘war on terror’? 

The promise of the ‘war on terror’ was that we would kill them ‘over there’ so they would not kill us ‘over here.’ Hence mass violence in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Palestine, Yemen, and Somalia – in the name of peace in the west. The “Authorization to Use Military Force” that the US Congress passed in the days after 9/11 already defined the whole world as a battlefield in the ‘war on terror’. President Obama continues to rely on the authorization to give his drone-killing programme a veneer of legality. This is the old colonial formula of liberal values at home sustained by a hidden illiberalism in the periphery – where routine extra-judicial killing is normalised.

We all know the ‘war on terrorism’ kills more civilians than terrorism does; but we tolerate this because it is ‘their’ civilians being killed in places we imagine to be far away. Yet colonial history teaches us that violence always ‘comes home’ in some form: whether as refugees seeking sanctuary, whether as the re-importing of authoritarian practices first practised in colonial settings, or indeed as terrorism. The same patterns repeat today in new forms.

Colonial history teaches us that violence always ‘comes home’.

For Muslim citizens in western states, these dynamics bring an enormous burden: they are reduced to the false choice of moderate or extremist, good Muslim or bad Muslim. The question that hovers over their very being is whether they will detach themselves from their connections to zones of violence abroad or channel that violence within the west. But this question is not posed directly; it is always displaced onto the plane of culture: do you accept western values?

This framework imposes itself relentlessly on Muslim public expression, rendering suspicious anyone who refuses to engage in rituals of loyalty to western culture. Meanwhile, ISIS casts these Muslims as living in the “grey zone” between western imperialism and the claim of a revived caliphate.

What results is a mutual reinforcing of the militarized identity narrative on both sides: the jihadists point to numerous speeches by western leaders to support their claim of a war on Islam; and western leaders legitimise war with talk of a ‘generational struggle’ between western values and Islamic extremism. What is striking today is the tired rhetoric of military aggression – Hollande’s “pitiless war” – once again recycled, despite the obvious failures of the past 14 years.

Where did the ISIS attackers in Paris come from? Can theories of radicalisation explain what drove them?

Theories of radicalisation developed by think-tanks, intelligence agencies, and academic departments linked to the national security apparatus have tended to make a number of false assumptions in their attempts to understand jihadist violence. First, they assume a deep difference between ‘Islamic’ and other forms of political violence; the history of political violence in the twentieth century – particularly in colonial contexts – is therefore forgotten and its lessons ignored. Second, they assume some form of Islamic religious ideology is the key factor in turning someone into a terrorist; some analysts grant the relevance of what they call ‘perceived grievances’ or emotional crises as enabling factors but ideology is still taken to be the primary cause.

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    • JS

      You said we didn’t support Saddam in the 80s. I proved we did. Now you are saying we supported many other people. Yes, the US has an unfortunate habit of supporting tyrants and dictators, at least you realize that.

    • Verner Hornung

      Your info is certainly appreciated, and may be better than mine since I’m not able to make a sole hobby of running it down. But I’m not satisfied with the placing of responsibility on Washington for everything that goes down on this planet, as if the U.S. government were omnipotent. The CIA involved itself in a large number of 20th century coups, in Guatemala, Chile, Iran, and other places. But the CIA did not effect any of them singlehandedly, or do so against the wishes of substantial local factions which were the principal actors in each case. Is all this stuff admirable? Hardly. Maybe we should have sat back and let the Kremlin do it instead.

    • Verner Hornung

      I’ll have to take your word for it as research takes time and Googling stuff doesn’t necessarily provide reliable information to someone without expertise in foreign relations. (The experts have search engines and journal access preferable to the less-reliable and often biased Wikipedia.) So? We forwarded all the same kinds of things to many other countries in the region at the same time as well, always have done so, and probably always will. We didn’t give Hussein anything that would have made a difference in the outcome of his war with Iran. In fact, we also traded with Iran despite the sanctions in effect at that time, including Reagan’s illegal sale of arms to them during the Iran-Contra dealings.

    • Verner Hornung

      Most Muslims don’t believe in equality. But they do prefer business to bombs. Bombs are kind of bad for business. Our problem as Westerners is with commanded, organized groups of Muslims under guys like Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. We do need to take photos &etc of every Syrian refugee for intelligence agency files, and compare these with lists of known terrorists. But 3000 Syrians are here (USA) now and admitting a few more carries risks likely well within the capabilities of our intelligence agencies to handle. It should not deter an offer of asylum. Indeed, it’s precisely because Islam is a problematic ideology in some ways, with potential to spawn jihad, that it’s in our interest to expose more Muslims to life in the West. And it snubs al-Baghdadi, telling him we aren’t afraid of his butcher knives.

    • JS

      Either you are lying or ignorant. A simple google search proves you “completely wrong.

      “United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, against post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars’ worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.[3][4]

      Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in open session of the Senate and House of Representatives. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC’s Nightline that the “Reagan/Bush administrations permitted—and frequently encouraged—the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq.”[5]

    • Verner Hornung

      Saddam Hussein first became a prominent figure in Iraq ca. 1966 in its Baath Party, then took power in 1979 and went to war with Iran. The USA did not put Saddam into office; he was quite able to rise on his own. I think we preferred the king that modern Iraq started off with in 1932. Much later, if Bush’s 2003 invasion of Iraq was the wrong move (and I agree that view is defensible), leaving when we did was a second mistake. Once we were there, we owed it to ensure the country was stable enough to survive intact before withdrawing support. I didn’t like Paul Bremer (probably a Bush crony), Ayad Allawi, or Nouri Maliki. All were corrupt. But no one better stepped up to the plate at the time. It’s likely that we support Saudi Arabia only because it has oil. The West, first Britain and France, then the USA, have been in the Mideast since WWI. Israel is basically a product of European Jews, Britain, and WWII. The USA, which has a large Jewish population and lobby, probably could not have avoided becoming an ally of Israel. However, we do not support Israel’s West Bank policy. We still recognize the territories from the 1967 war as occupied and have urged Israel to adopt the two-state solution, at Oslo in 1993 and since. We can’t force them to do it. They aren’t even solely dependent on the USA for military equipment or money by now. It would be nice indeed if the USA could ignore the rest of the world and refuse to get into affairs that involve moral qualms. But large nations don’t have the option of isolationism.

      I’m fully willing to admit that Western policy has big shortcomings, and that some of the people fighting against us have sincere motives. (The waterboarding and Gitmo stuff is particularly disgusting and should never have been done.) But suppose we stayed out. Would the Muslims prefer Russia being in there instead? Because that’s how it is. Even within the Muslim world, the more powerful people and groups take control and assert their authority over the weaker ones, and always have throughout history.

      The only way we’re going to change geopolitics is by creating a world government of some kind that can maintain a verifiable and enforceable peace between all the countries.

    • Verner Hornung

      Hussein manufactured the VX in Iraq. It’s not that hard for a state to do it; Japans’s Aum Shinrikyo cult synthesized both Sarin and VX, using these to attack several people on streets and then the Tokyo subway. I’m less sure about April Glaspie, but she probably did not believe the invasion of Kuwait was coming, thinking it a bluff instead.

    • ShunTheRightWhale

      It’s about oil. Politics and society shape, especially in this region, the “Middle East”, around this foundation of their economy. Without it the region would be far less interesting for the West: the “Islamic State” is fueled by oil, America needs it. It’s a leftist theory older than the widespread usage of fossil oil itself: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_materialism ) that the “relations of production” define political power. It was already topic of an article on this site. I’m no Marxist, since Marx, as a child of enlightenment, believed in a eschatological progress through humanity itself. Marx discarded religion as an instrument of obfuscating the masses. I think religion, as a sytem of metaphysical meanings, can be twisted into a mental weapon, exactly what the concept of “class struggle” was made into. It serves the IS as an instrument of the legitimization of power, war and what mostly worries the West: the export of terrorism. As long as oil remains important, external powers will meddle with the Middle East and regional regimes will boast with their luxury harvested through migrant labor. One forgets in view of all these short sighted conflicts that our dependency on fossil resources forges a toll, that the whole world of future gernerations has to pay. Globalization is inevitable, but how it will come to be is definable. Time will tell, if the Arabian countries will transform from oil-exporters to countries of tourism and high technology or will become poor again. Time will tell, if the West finally accepts his own concept of a world community or if it will decline as an overaged collection of regional powers.

    • Reynardine

      Interesting how, in the view of these people, the same divorce settlement is legal if you call it lump sum alimony and illegal if you call it haq mehr.

    • Reynardine

      Y’know, I believe we gave him that stuff. Ambassador Glaspie also gave the go-ahead to help himself to “innocent” Kuwait, which Bush I then used as the casus belli for Gulf I. You can’t stick the rose back on the rosebush, but you’d think we’d learn not to keep pickin’ em.

    • Reynardine

      More cheerfully…the moon on Elvira Lane.

    • Reynardine

      The War on Poverty was lost when the Reaganites got into power and ensured that poverty won.

    • Reynardine

      No one has seen any of the $#!][ you claim to have read there, either.

‘I will bomb your f*cking location’: Muslims face violent threats as Trump urges ban on mosques

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By Travis Gettys, RawStory

Republican frontrunner Donald Trump helped fan the flames of anti-Muslim sentiment in the wake of last week’s deadly terrorist attacks in Paris.

Trump renewed his call Monday morning to shut down mosques or at least place them under surveillance.

“You’re going to have to watch and study the mosques, because a lot of talk is going on at the mosques,” Trump said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” less than a month after telling Fox Business that “absolutely” shut down U.S. mosques to defeat Islamic State militants.

“From what I heard in the old days, meaning a while ago, we had great surveillance going on in and around mosques in New York City, and I understand our mayor totally cut that out, he totally cut it out,” Trump added, apparently referring to New York’s controversial racial and religious profiling investigation — which was discontinued after it resulted in zero arrests or leads.

Police are investigating several threats made over the weekend against Muslim houses of worship.

A caller left a threatening voice mail message that referred to the massacre about 7 p.m. Friday at the Islamic Society of St. Petersburg, Florida — which canceled Sunday school over safety concerns.

“This act in France is the last straw,” the caller warned. “You’re going to f*cking die.”

“I personally have a militia that’s going to come down to your Islamic Society of Pinellas County and firebomb you, shoot whoever’s there on sight in the head,” the caller added. “I don’t care if they’re f*cking 2 years old or 100.”

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    • Princess Erika the Radiant

      i think that’s understood. Eastern European blondes preferred

    • Reynardine

      Only the pretty ones.

    • Sam Seed

      No, I think that’s killesh.

    • Princess Erika the Radiant

      Twump probably wishes to personaly conduct such interrogations

    • Reynardine

      Kinda like the Sovereign Citizens, who are defending the ril Constitooshiun of ril uhMericuh. I had a run in with one, and since I can’t publish a recognizable photo of him, I’ve dressed him up for you:

    • Reynardine

      Terrorism committed by whites, in the name of some type of supremacy, which could be ril wyte, ril macho, ril uhMericuhn, or ril Chrischun.

    • George Carty

      Doesn’t Daesh claim to be a government?

    • George Carty

      Does “white terrorism” mean “terrorism perpetrated by whites” or does it mean “terrorism in the name of white supremacy”?

    • Reynardine

      Not that I can see.

    • Reynardine

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    • Reynardine

      ………

    • Hasan karim

      They have been bombing for years now what did they accomplish so far aside from murdering thousand of innocent people in name of freedom and democracy? Bomb al you want by the one who has the power of all the living things, you can only reach a certain goal only if Allah permits it and if we look at history everyone who thought he was god on earth he ended up in the most miserable state. A lot of barking this Donald (duck) Trump.

    • Reynardine

      …….

    • Mifeng86

      Honestly, I think Trump’s poorly run “Empire” is nothing more than a front for money laundering and general organized crime.

    • TheSyndicate2006

      Apparently Carson saw the same thing. The inability for our media to drill these morons and put the heat on them is the reason trump is able to get away with this.

Open Thread: ISIS #ParisAttacks and #BeirutAttacks and Elsewhere

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Loonwatch staff

Peaceful Parisians were attacked by ISIS militants, the group has claimed responsibility for massacres not only in Paris but also the downing of a Russian airplane killing over 200, as well as bombings in Beirut. If true, the group has massacred 400 people on three continents in two weeks. Of course Muslims hate this group more than anyone else, as one prescient tweet sums up:

The Paris attacks are front and center news everywhere. There are many thoughts and reflections one can make on the scourge of ISIS, imperialism, wars, invasions, Islamophobia, how they are tied and linked, who and what are to blame but really what can be said that we haven’t already?

It’s not the first time that there has been such wanton violence and chaos nearly everywhere in the world but maybe due to our globalized reality, where events from even the remotest regions of the earth are streamed instantaneously onto our mobile phones, laptops, etc. it seems that violence has increased exponentially. Our thoughts are with all those innocents killed, the casualties, to the oppressed, the victimized, and the murdered, anywhere on earth.

This is an open thread for loonwatchers to share their thoughts, reflections and comments.

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    • 1DrM

      Oh I can distinguish very well. Anybody in 2015 can safely claim they were against the Iraq war, I have no reason to believe you given your anti-Palestinian, anti-Muslim rubbish. I’ve exposed you already so your feeble reply is too little, too late to salvage your “reputation.” You’re a filthy Zionist. That is all. Your hasbaRattery won’t fly here.

      PS- It is your idol, the terrorist state”israel” which needs to go, then the American secular monarchy of Saudi Arabia(“israel’s” twin), and other puppet states can follow into the trash heap of history. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d1a1755ff9875f796e6d4664830e8b25bde9fe68e579db4dc6249ad7185120b4.png

England: Man Pushes Hijab Wearing Muslim Woman Into Oncoming Train

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Why would this elderly, 81 year-old Shinohara do this? Has he been poisoned by the Islamophobic rhetoric in the UK? (h/t:J)

via. Daily Mail

In the horrifying footage, a man is seen loitering on the platform of the station.

As the train approaches, he seems to rush towards her and push her into the side of the moving train.

She then collided with the side of the train before landing back on the platform.

The female victim suffered minor injuries and was treated for grazes to her face at hospital, the British Transport Police revealed.

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Yoshiyuki Shinohara, 81, of no fixed abode, was arrested and charged on suspicion of attempted murder.

Read the entire article…

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    • CowabungaCreeper

      I thought you meant that there were eastern Christians and Jews who fought alongside the Muslims during the initial Muslim conquest of the holy land.

    • CowabungaCreeper

      Why did the Jews and the Orthodox Christians fight ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS against the Western Christians back then???

      Could you cite an example of this?

    • Cengiz_K

      please see my other comment to You above..

    • Cengiz_K

      Do You actually know what You are saying or are You a troll? Would You call Yourself an intelligent person? Just use reasoning for a change, please..

    • The greenmantle

      Yup Anjem is a nutter , not sure about Jail even money bet of special hospital and yes he claims to not aknowledge the British Satate but knows what a giro looks like . But what has that to do with the rightwing nutters I was talking about ? Or are you trying to suggest that because Anjem is bad they must be good ? Thats daft if so Sir David

Racist Criminal Jodie Marie Burchard-Risch Smashes Beer Mug on Muslim Woman’s Face For Speaking Swahili At Applebees

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Jodie Marie Burchard-Risch smashed a beer-mug across the face of a Muslim woman at an Applebees because she didn’t like the fact that she wasn’t speaking English. Where was Burchard-Risch indoctrinated to hate?

There is no rational thought that can dissuade these nativists who blame their miserable existence on those who are not like them.

Maybe this is how Jodie Marie Burchard-Risch and those like her will “Make America Great Again”?

via. Kare11.com

COON RAPIDS, Minn. – A woman is charged with assault for allegedly smashing a beer mug across a diner’s face at a local Applebee’s — all because the victim wasn’t speaking English, according to the complaint.

Jodie Marie Burchard-Risch, 43, was charged with third-degree assault for an incident that occurred on Oct. 30 at the Applebee’s in Coon Rapids.

According to the criminal complaint, Burchard-Risch was dining with her husband when she became upset after hearing the victim speaking in a foreign language in the neighboring booth.

Authorities say that’s when managers stepped in and tried to get Burchard-Risch to leave.

Charges say she refused, continued to yell at the victim and threw her drink at the woman. Then she “smashed” her beer mug across the woman’s face in a “round house punch” motion and fled the scene, according to the complaint.

One of the Applebee’s managers followed Burchard-Risch out of the restaurant until she was arrested by responding officers.

Police met with the victim inside the restaurant and noticed a deep cut across her nose, a cut on her right eyebrow and a large, deep cut on her lower lip.

Read the entire article…

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    • AJ

      I agree with the useless degree bit but why limit to liberal arts? Why not include law and business as well?

    • AJ

      Huh? English please!

    • Aveles

      Pardon me, but your generation isn’t better than anyone’s. You are all living with your parents jobless at way too late an age. The people coming out of college today are 100% worthless in the job market and saddled with debt to pay for your useless liberal arts degrees. Your generation is arrogant, ignorant, and will be the final nail in this country’s coffin as soon as enough of you socialists have reaped what you’ve sown. You couldn’t have purposely gotten your statement more wrong if you had a team of people your age helping you.

    • Aveles

      No…. It doesn’t, but your comment indicates you like to make things up and then post them as factual. Most likely you make a habit of this.

    • Aveles

      Ish. There’s nothing aesthetically pleasing about either of them. Just because you’re biased doesn’t mean you get to make things up

    • Aveles

      “Momma don’t like tattle-tales” – Roudy Roddy Piper

    • Aveles

      Actually, if you were honest in your reporting you’d have included the fact that the alleged “victim” in this incident had walked over and confronted the woman for her comments. That was when she got clocked. In this country you should be free to say whatever you want without fear of someone getting in your face. If some angry patron got up in my business (and obviously within arm’s reach), I might have smashed their face for their trouble as well.

    • AJ

      I think he is crazy and sits in a mental asylum somewhere.

    • B.D.S.

      Jekyll, kindly leave my notification alone as you promised. I’ll appreciate if you continue to honor that, and I sure will continue to do the same. Thanks.

    • 1DrM

      Not as disappointing with how starved you are for attention, troll. Too afraid to mention me by name while trying to play down the seriousness of this assault. Speaking of eunuchs, why are you still upset 2 or 3 years after the hurting I put on your immature behind? What a sad pathetic little fellow you are. Still grieving over Hitchens’ rotting carcass?

    • HeGG

      That’s it? How disappointing. I expected more of your well-known impotent internet rage. Angry little eunuchs like you are always good for a laugh, but you need to perform better.

    • David Sendero Del Santos

      And what of the homosexuals who have achieved what this society defines as success, wealth and advancement in social hierarchy. Perhaps your resentment that such success is evidence that homosexuals are in way mentally ill is due to a resentment that a homosexual, a parriah to your jaundiced eyes, has achieved a much greater level of success than you have. And after the culture had led you to believe that you would be this universes masterm

    • Reynardine

      I have begun to believe that all you can think about is your crotch.

    • Jekyll

      Emmm…yes

    • Jekyll

      LW has history and a good one in which pp ‘derail’ off the given subject. Just because one does not suit your fancy or opinions do not match your pov, does not mean ‘blogs should be threatened with deletion’.

    • Jekyll

      Oh boy <=== CiSystematic

    • Reynardine

      Emmm…no…it’s a sniley. I imagine if you haven’t seen them elsewhere, you will.

    • Reynardine

      When a thread about a violent hate crime descends into a vulgar argument about people’s crotches, the value of a forum like this one for dealing with serious issues is gravely cheapened. Several blogs have eliminated comments entirely, just because of this sort of thing.

    • ShunTheRightWhale

      As I previously stated: generally the mentally troubled seem to be attracted to the fringes of identity as they don’t have a firm one, they would even find niches elsewhere. The human body becomes malleable, whereas the mind becomes the plow. The issue is wearing: heated political debate over an otherwise intimate matter…

      You got a healthy opinion: it seems to boil down to the opposites mind vs. body., in yours the mind has come to terms with its body, in theirs the body has to be bended to the image of the mind. I can’t bear that anymore, I want to become a hermit.

    • Friend of Bosnia

      Okay, but don’t worry, I will not go out and attack anybody. After all I’m not a terrorist ands I don’t have a death wish. In view of recent developments one can be quite afraid. It’s not so much preemptive self defense but rather giving a potential attacker the notion that he should think twice before raising a hand (or a gun) against me. I don’t go out bullying around anybody, so nobody should even think about bullying me around. Now who even tries needs to be taught a lasting lesson in humility. My parents have taught me that with a gentleman or a lady one should always behave like a gentleman. and with a scoundrel one must behave like a scoundrel. Everything else is bunk. (Thank you Mom and Dad.)

    • Reynardine

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